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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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### Loot, Pillage, & Plunder\n
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- [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
- [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
\n
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I can think of a few reasons, but they all seem pretty shaky.\n
\n
1. The content is hosted in countries where they don’t have to comply with takedown requests.\n
\n
It seems unlikely to me that literally all of it is hosted in places like this. Plus, the providers wouldn’t be able to operate at all in countries like the US without facing legal repercussions.\n
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2. The copyright holders feel the upfront cost of indexer and provider access is greater than the cost of people pirating their content.\n
\n
This also seems fishy. It’s cheap enough for me as an individual to do this, and if Usenet weren’t an option, I’d have to pay for 3+ streaming services to be able to watch everything I do currently. They’d literally break even with this scheme if they could only remove access to me.\n
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**1**. Posts must be related to the discussion of digital piracy\n
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\n
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[](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
\n
### Loot, Pillage, & Plunder\n
\n
- [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
- [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
\n
My question is, why can’t copyright holders do this as well? They could follow the same process, and then send takedown requests for each individual article which comprises the movie. We already know they try to catch people torrenting so why don’t they do this as well?\n
\n
I can think of a few reasons, but they all seem pretty shaky.\n
\n
1. The content is hosted in countries where they don’t have to comply with takedown requests.\n
\n
It seems unlikely to me that literally all of it is hosted in places like this. Plus, the providers wouldn’t be able to operate at all in countries like the US without facing legal repercussions.\n
\n
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3. They do actually do this, but it’s on a scale small enough for me not to care.\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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### Loot, Pillage, & Plunder\n
\n
- [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
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First, a massive amount of content ***is*** removed. You won’t find a lot of popular, unencrypted content these days on usenet. It’s all encrypted and obfuscated now to avoid the bots\n
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Speaking of bots, I don’t think you realize how much of this process is automated, or how wide of a net is being used. The media corporations all have enormous collected libraries of material. It gets posted constantly to all sorts of places. This includes public torrents, public usenet, YouTube, PornHub (yes, really, even for non-porn), Facebook, TikTok, Tumblr, GNUtella, DDL sites…\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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\n
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- [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
- [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
\n
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I can think of a few reasons, but they all seem pretty shaky.\n
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It seems unlikely to me that literally all of it is hosted in places like this. Plus, the providers wouldn’t be able to operate at all in countries like the US without facing legal repercussions.\n
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\n
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### Loot, Pillage, & Plunder\n
\n
- [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
- [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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I can think of a few reasons, but they all seem pretty shaky.\n
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It seems unlikely to me that literally all of it is hosted in places like this. Plus, the providers wouldn’t be able to operate at all in countries like the US without facing legal repercussions.\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
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I can think of a few reasons, but they all seem pretty shaky.\n
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It seems unlikely to me that literally all of it is hosted in places like this. Plus, the providers wouldn’t be able to operate at all in countries like the US without facing legal repercussions.\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.\n
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They do receive takedown notices, however files uploaded to usenet are mirrored across many providers across many jurisdictions while also split into many parts as you noted. Usenets implementation of file sharing is quite robust; being able to rebuild a file that’s missing a significant portion of it’s data. To successfully take down a file, you need to remove many of these parts across almost all of the usenet backbones which requires cooperation across many nations/jurisdictions that are governed by varying laws. It’s not an easy task.\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
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- [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
- [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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I can think of a few reasons, but they all seem pretty shaky.\n
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1. The content is hosted in countries where they don’t have to comply with takedown requests.\n
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It seems unlikely to me that literally all of it is hosted in places like this. Plus, the providers wouldn’t be able to operate at all in countries like the US without facing legal repercussions.\n
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2. The copyright holders feel the upfront cost of indexer and provider access is greater than the cost of people pirating their content.\n
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3. They do actually do this, but it’s on a scale small enough for me not to care.\n
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- [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
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