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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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        For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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    Bro the AI neural networks have been shown to be building internal *world models* to be able to do what they do. How is that not thinking?\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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    Bro the AI neural networks have been shown to be building internal *world models* to be able to do what they do. How is that not thinking?\n
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    I am so sick of this anthrocentrism, as if we are special because we are humans. The computers are now doing the same mathematical processes our brains are doing. The LLMs can be compared to a small subsection of our brains. String enough neural network based AIs together with different tasks and youll get sentience.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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        For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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      But I agree it’s very efficient and has more data than any single person ever could. It’s a computer, they are great at storing and processing information.
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    Bro the AI neural networks have been shown to be building internal *world models* to be able to do what they do. How is that not thinking?\n
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            > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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          It is very intelligent though.\n
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          It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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        At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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      Bro the AI neural networks have been shown to be building internal *world models* to be able to do what they do. How is that not thinking?\n
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          It is very intelligent though.\n
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          It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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        At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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      Bro the AI neural networks have been shown to be building internal *world models* to be able to do what they do. How is that not thinking?\n
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      I am so sick of this anthrocentrism, as if we are special because we are humans. The computers are now doing the same mathematical processes our brains are doing. The LLMs can be compared to a small subsection of our brains. String enough neural network based AIs together with different tasks and youll get sentience.\n
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        It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      Bro the AI neural networks have been shown to be building internal *world models* to be able to do what they do. How is that not thinking?\n
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      I am so sick of this anthrocentrism, as if we are special because we are humans. The computers are now doing the same mathematical processes our brains are doing. The LLMs can be compared to a small subsection of our brains. String enough neural network based AIs together with different tasks and youll get sentience.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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    While I mostly agree, I’d like to point out that GOFAI (good old fashioned AI) exists, and at its core it is basically just pathfinding like a* or something similar. And we still call that AI, because it “intelligently” finds a path quickly.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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    While I mostly agree, I’d like to point out that GOFAI (good old fashioned AI) exists, and at its core it is basically just pathfinding like a* or something similar. And we still call that AI, because it “intelligently” finds a path quickly.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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    I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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            > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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          It is very intelligent though.\n
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          It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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        It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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        At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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      I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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    I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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            > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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          It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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      I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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    I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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            > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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          It is very intelligent though.\n
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          It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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          It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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        It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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        At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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      I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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    I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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              > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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            It is very intelligent though.\n
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            It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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            It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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            It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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            For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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          It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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        I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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      I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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    Yes it’s going to transform everything. It’s about the same as the transformation from typewriter to computer for society. But I still don’t think any machine that predicts the next word is intelligent. However, this is only the beginning. We are not going to be able to keep up with AI soon, and it will work around the clock to get better and better.\n
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    We will have those high tech societies from the movies where robots are everywhere and people are quite sad.
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              > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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            It is very intelligent though.\n
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            It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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            It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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            It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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            For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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          It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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          At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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      I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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    Yes it’s going to transform everything. It’s about the same as the transformation from typewriter to computer for society. But I still don’t think any machine that predicts the next word is intelligent. However, this is only the beginning. We are not going to be able to keep up with AI soon, and it will work around the clock to get better and better.\n
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              > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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            It is very intelligent though.\n
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            It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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            It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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            It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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            For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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          It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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          At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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          But I agree it’s very efficient and has more data than any single person ever could. It’s a computer, they are great at storing and processing information.
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        I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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      I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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    Yes it’s going to transform everything. It’s about the same as the transformation from typewriter to computer for society. But I still don’t think any machine that predicts the next word is intelligent. However, this is only the beginning. We are not going to be able to keep up with AI soon, and it will work around the clock to get better and better.\n
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                > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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              It is very intelligent though.\n
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              It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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              It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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              It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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              For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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            It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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            At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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            But I agree it’s very efficient and has more data than any single person ever could. It’s a computer, they are great at storing and processing information.
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          I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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        I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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        I think the average person under-rates the sophistication of AI. Maybe as a response to the AI hype. Maybe it’s because we’re scared of AI, and it’s comforting to believe that it’s operations are trivial. I see irrationality and anger cropping up in discussions of AI that I think stem from a fundamental fear of its transformative power.
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      Yes it’s going to transform everything. It’s about the same as the transformation from typewriter to computer for society. But I still don’t think any machine that predicts the next word is intelligent. However, this is only the beginning. We are not going to be able to keep up with AI soon, and it will work around the clock to get better and better.\n
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      We will have those high tech societies from the movies where robots are everywhere and people are quite sad.
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    You say that however we might have stumbled on the groundwork for a GI. Because language is core to our evolutionary advancement. We needed language to build the mental constructs that then enabled logical work.\n
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                > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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              It is very intelligent though.\n
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              It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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              It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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              It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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              For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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            It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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            At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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            But I agree it’s very efficient and has more data than any single person ever could. It’s a computer, they are great at storing and processing information.
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          I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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        I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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        I think the average person under-rates the sophistication of AI. Maybe as a response to the AI hype. Maybe it’s because we’re scared of AI, and it’s comforting to believe that it’s operations are trivial. I see irrationality and anger cropping up in discussions of AI that I think stem from a fundamental fear of its transformative power.
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      Yes it’s going to transform everything. It’s about the same as the transformation from typewriter to computer for society. But I still don’t think any machine that predicts the next word is intelligent. However, this is only the beginning. We are not going to be able to keep up with AI soon, and it will work around the clock to get better and better.\n
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      We will have those high tech societies from the movies where robots are everywhere and people are quite sad.
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    You say that however we might have stumbled on the groundwork for a GI. Because language is core to our evolutionary advancement. We needed language to build the mental constructs that then enabled logical work.\n
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    Imagine if an LLM was able to coordinate the usage of these “logical” AI’s like Deep mind etc.\n
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    ChatGPT already enabled Internet search and it’s better than if I asked someone to Google something for me.
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                > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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              It is very intelligent though.\n
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              It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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              It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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              It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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            It’s not intelligent because it’s not thinking.\n
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            At least my definition of intelligence is thinking. Otherwise a simple pattern matching algorithm like a regexp is also intelligent, or a sorting algorithm that puts things in the right order.\n
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            But I agree it’s very efficient and has more data than any single person ever could. It’s a computer, they are great at storing and processing information.
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          I think the defenders of human intellect are heralding our language and thinking to be a much higher standard than for MOST people they are.\n
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        I think this type of anthropocentrism extends to chess too actually. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’ve heard that chess AIs are finding success doing unintuitive things like pushing a and h file pawns in openings. If, 10 years ago, some chess grandmaster was doing the same thing and finding success, I imagine they would have been seen as creative, maybe even groundbreaking.\n
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        I think the average person under-rates the sophistication of AI. Maybe as a response to the AI hype. Maybe it’s because we’re scared of AI, and it’s comforting to believe that it’s operations are trivial. I see irrationality and anger cropping up in discussions of AI that I think stem from a fundamental fear of its transformative power.
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      Yes it’s going to transform everything. It’s about the same as the transformation from typewriter to computer for society. But I still don’t think any machine that predicts the next word is intelligent. However, this is only the beginning. We are not going to be able to keep up with AI soon, and it will work around the clock to get better and better.\n
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      We will have those high tech societies from the movies where robots are everywhere and people are quite sad.
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    You say that however we might have stumbled on the groundwork for a GI. Because language is core to our evolutionary advancement. We needed language to build the mental constructs that then enabled logical work.\n
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        > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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      It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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    You’re conferring a level of agency where none exists.\n
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    It appears to “understand.” It appears to be “knowledgeable. “\n
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    But LLMs do neither of those things.\n
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    Take this note from an OpenAI dev: ![](https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f9e0f536-713c-43f9-a97f-ef2b2dabe0c3.png)\n
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    It’s that these models have leveraged so much data they’ve been able to map out relationships between words (or images) in way as to be able to generate what seem like new versions of those things.\n
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    But it is still a prediction model. It just has more context, better design and (most importantly) data to make predictions at a level never before seen.\n
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    If you’ve ever had a chance to play with a model at level where you can control some of its basic parameters it offers a glimpse into just how much of a prediction machine it can be.\n
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    My favourite game for a while was to give midjourney a wildly vague prompt but crank the chaos up to 100 (literally the chaos flag at the highest level) to see what kind of wild connections exist but are being filtered out during “normal” use.\n
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    The same with the GPT-3.5 API in the “early days” - you could return multiple versions of the response and see the sausage being made to a very small degree.\n
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    It doesn’t take away from the sense of magic using these tools. It just helps frame what’s going on under the hood.
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        > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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      It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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      It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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      It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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    You’re conferring a level of agency where none exists.\n
    \n
    It appears to “understand.” It appears to be “knowledgeable. “\n
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    But LLMs do neither of those things.\n
    \n
    Take this note from an OpenAI dev: ![](https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f9e0f536-713c-43f9-a97f-ef2b2dabe0c3.png)\n
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    It’s that these models have leveraged so much data they’ve been able to map out relationships between words (or images) in way as to be able to generate what seem like new versions of those things.\n
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    I grant you that an LLM has more base level knowledge than any one human, but again this is thanks to terrifyingly large dataset and a design that means it can access this data reasonably reliably.\n
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    But it is still a prediction model. It just has more context, better design and (most importantly) data to make predictions at a level never before seen.\n
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    If you’ve ever had a chance to play with a model at level where you can control some of its basic parameters it offers a glimpse into just how much of a prediction machine it can be.\n
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    My favourite game for a while was to give midjourney a wildly vague prompt but crank the chaos up to 100 (literally the chaos flag at the highest level) to see what kind of wild connections exist but are being filtered out during “normal” use.\n
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    The same with the GPT-3.5 API in the “early days” - you could return multiple versions of the response and see the sausage being made to a very small degree.\n
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    It doesn’t take away from the sense of magic using these tools. It just helps frame what’s going on under the hood.
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        > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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      It is very intelligent though.\n
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      It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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      It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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      It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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    You’re conferring a level of agency where none exists.\n
    \n
    It appears to “understand.” It appears to be “knowledgeable. “\n
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    But LLMs do neither of those things.\n
    \n
    Take this note from an OpenAI dev: ![](https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f9e0f536-713c-43f9-a97f-ef2b2dabe0c3.png)\n
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    It’s that these models have leveraged so much data they’ve been able to map out relationships between words (or images) in way as to be able to generate what seem like new versions of those things.\n
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    I grant you that an LLM has more base level knowledge than any one human, but again this is thanks to terrifyingly large dataset and a design that means it can access this data reasonably reliably.\n
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    But it is still a prediction model. It just has more context, better design and (most importantly) data to make predictions at a level never before seen.\n
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    If you’ve ever had a chance to play with a model at level where you can control some of its basic parameters it offers a glimpse into just how much of a prediction machine it can be.\n
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    My favourite game for a while was to give midjourney a wildly vague prompt but crank the chaos up to 100 (literally the chaos flag at the highest level) to see what kind of wild connections exist but are being filtered out during “normal” use.\n
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    It doesn’t take away from the sense of magic using these tools. It just helps frame what’s going on under the hood.
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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        For example I asked it to write songs about squidmas, an imaginary holiday I made up to irritate my children. It was able to rewrite Christmas songs but with a squid theme. That’s way more complex than predictive text.
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      You’re conferring a level of agency where none exists.\n
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      It appears to “understand.” It appears to be “knowledgeable. “\n
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      But LLMs do neither of those things.\n
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      Take this note from an OpenAI dev: ![](https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f9e0f536-713c-43f9-a97f-ef2b2dabe0c3.png)\n
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      It’s that these models have leveraged so much data they’ve been able to map out relationships between words (or images) in way as to be able to generate what seem like new versions of those things.\n
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      If you’ve ever had a chance to play with a model at level where you can control some of its basic parameters it offers a glimpse into just how much of a prediction machine it can be.\n
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      My favourite game for a while was to give midjourney a wildly vague prompt but crank the chaos up to 100 (literally the chaos flag at the highest level) to see what kind of wild connections exist but are being filtered out during “normal” use.\n
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      The same with the GPT-3.5 API in the “early days” - you could return multiple versions of the response and see the sausage being made to a very small degree.\n
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      It doesn’t take away from the sense of magic using these tools. It just helps frame what’s going on under the hood.
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    Given it’s an artificial intelligence it stands to reason its understanding and knowledge are artificial.\n
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          > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about "artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It’s not simple to come up with coherent statements on such a wide variety of tasks.\n
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        It’s not just stringing random words together like predictive text. It understands context in a way that is very complex.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      You’re conferring a level of agency where none exists.\n
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      It appears to “understand.” It appears to be “knowledgeable. “\n
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      But LLMs do neither of those things.\n
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      Take this note from an OpenAI dev: ![](https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f9e0f536-713c-43f9-a97f-ef2b2dabe0c3.png)\n
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      It’s that these models have leveraged so much data they’ve been able to map out relationships between words (or images) in way as to be able to generate what seem like new versions of those things.\n
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      The same with the GPT-3.5 API in the “early days” - you could return multiple versions of the response and see the sausage being made to a very small degree.\n
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    Given it’s an artificial intelligence it stands to reason its understanding and knowledge are artificial.\n
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        It is very intelligent though.\n
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        It is more knowledgeable than the average person by a huge amount.\n
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      You’re conferring a level of agency where none exists.\n
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      It appears to “understand.” It appears to be “knowledgeable. “\n
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      But LLMs do neither of those things.\n
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      Take this note from an OpenAI dev: ![](https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f9e0f536-713c-43f9-a97f-ef2b2dabe0c3.png)\n
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      It’s that these models have leveraged so much data they’ve been able to map out relationships between words (or images) in way as to be able to generate what seem like new versions of those things.\n
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      I grant you that an LLM has more base level knowledge than any one human, but again this is thanks to terrifyingly large dataset and a design that means it can access this data reasonably reliably.\n
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      But it is still a prediction model. It just has more context, better design and (most importantly) data to make predictions at a level never before seen.\n
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      If you’ve ever had a chance to play with a model at level where you can control some of its basic parameters it offers a glimpse into just how much of a prediction machine it can be.\n
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      The same with the GPT-3.5 API in the “early days” - you could return multiple versions of the response and see the sausage being made to a very small degree.\n
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      It doesn’t take away from the sense of magic using these tools. It just helps frame what’s going on under the hood.
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    Given it’s an artificial intelligence it stands to reason its understanding and knowledge are artificial.\n
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        I would have liked for Linus to maintain his angry-man-finger-thrusting self against evil corporates like Nvidia. I suppose I’m asking for too much, but his mild-mannerisms towards developers is a welcome change. Towards such corporates though, not so much. I would have liked some more motivated cursing against Intel and Nvidia and IBM. Oh well.\n
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    As I said, his change in behaviour towards fellow developers is a welcome change. There’s no doubt about that.\n
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      Other than that (which is a minor gripe from me at the most), touching message from Linus. Indeed, the maintainers are graying, and the current generation isn’t *that* interested in kernel programming. I’m sure there will be talent around (as long as the big companies need Linux to run their servers, I’m sure someone will turn up), but someone to rise to the helm with a fiery approach to openness is very important to my heart. I don’t think we will ever see another Linus in our lifetime, and I will personally grieve the day Linus and his core set of maintainers pass away.\n
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    This is probably a good thing.\n
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    > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about “artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant. Do you think we will see LLM written code that is submitted to you?”\n
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    > Indeed, Torvalds hopes that AI might really help by being able “to find the obvious stupid bugs because a lot of the bugs I see are not subtle bugs. Many of them are just stupid bugs, and you don’t need any kind of higher intelligence to find them. But having tools that warn more subtle cases where, for example, it may just say ‘this pattern does not look like the regular pattern. Are you sure this is what you need?’ And the answer may be ‘No, that was not at all what I meant. You found an obvious bag. Thank you very much.’ We actually need autocorrects on steroids. I see AI as a tool that can help us be better at what we do.”\n
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      This is probably a good thing.\n
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    It was interesting to hear your perspective!\n
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    I’m a newbie programmer (and have been for quite a few years), but I’ve recently started trying to build useful programs. They’re small ones (under 1000 lines of code), but they accomplish the general task well enough. I’m also really busy, so as much as I like learning this stuff, I don’t have a lot of time to dedicate to it. The first program, which was 300 lines of code, took me about a week to build. I did it all myself in Python. It was a really good learning experience. I learned everything from how to read technical specifications to how to package the program for others to easily install.\n
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    I was not particularly concerned about my programs being used as training data because they used a free license anyway. LLMs seem great for doing the work you don’t want to do, or don’t want to do *right now*. In a completely unrelated example, I sometimes ask ChatGPT to generate names for countries/continents because I really don’t care that much about that stuff in my story. The ones it comes up with are a lot better than any half-assed stuff I could have thought of, which probably says more about me than anything else.\n
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    On the other hand, I really don’t like how LLMs seem to be mainly controlled by large corporations. Most don’t even meet the open source definition, but even if they did, they’re not something a much smaller business can run. I almost want to reject LLMs for that reason on principle. I think we’re also likely to see a dramatic increase in pricing and `enshittification` in the next few years, once the excitement dies down. I want to avoid becoming dependent on this stuff, so I don’t use it much.\n
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    I think LLMs would be great for automating a lot of the junk work away, as you say. The problem I see is they aren’t reliable, and reliability is a crucial aspect of automation. You never really know what you’re going to get out of an LLM. Despite that, they’ll probably save you time anyway.\n
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    > I’m no expert, but neither is most of the workforce (although kernel work is, again, much more in the expert realm).\n
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    This is a very different scenario to kernel work. Translation has kind of been like that for a while from what I know, so LLMs are just the latest thing to exacerbate the issues.\n
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    I’m still pretty undecided on where I fall on the issue of LLMs. Ugh, nothing in life can ever be simple. Sorry for jumping all over the place, lol. That’s why I would have been interested in Linus Torvalds’ opinion :)
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      > After he got a handle on it, Torvalds returned to the kernel. He’s been much more mild-tempered since then. As he mentioned in Tokyo, he won’t be “giving some company the finger. I learned my lesson.”\n
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      This is probably a good thing.\n
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      > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about “artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant. Do you think we will see LLM written code that is submitted to you?”\n
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      > Indeed, Torvalds hopes that AI might really help by being able “to find the obvious stupid bugs because a lot of the bugs I see are not subtle bugs. Many of them are just stupid bugs, and you don’t need any kind of higher intelligence to find them. But having tools that warn more subtle cases where, for example, it may just say ‘this pattern does not look like the regular pattern. Are you sure this is what you need?’ And the answer may be ‘No, that was not at all what I meant. You found an obvious bag. Thank you very much.’ We actually need autocorrects on steroids. I see AI as a tool that can help us be better at what we do.”\n
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    It was interesting to hear your perspective!\n
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    I’m a newbie programmer (and have been for quite a few years), but I’ve recently started trying to build useful programs. They’re small ones (under 1000 lines of code), but they accomplish the general task well enough. I’m also really busy, so as much as I like learning this stuff, I don’t have a lot of time to dedicate to it. The first program, which was 300 lines of code, took me about a week to build. I did it all myself in Python. It was a really good learning experience. I learned everything from how to read technical specifications to how to package the program for others to easily install.\n
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    The second program I built was about 500 lines of code, a little smaller in scope, and prototyped entirely in ChatGPT. I needed to get this done in a weekend, and so I got it done in 6 hours. It used SQLite and a lot of database queries that I didn’t know much about before starting the project, which surely would have taken hours to research. I spent about 4 hours fixing the things ChatGPT screwed up myself. I think I still learned a lot from the project, though I obviously would have learned more if I had to do it myself. One thing I asked it to do was to generate a man page, because I don’t know Groff. I was able to improve it afterward by glancing at the Groff docs, and I’m pretty happy with it. I still have yet to write a man page for the first program, despite wanting to do it over a year ago.\n
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    I was not particularly concerned about my programs being used as training data because they used a free license anyway. LLMs seem great for doing the work you don’t want to do, or don’t want to do *right now*. In a completely unrelated example, I sometimes ask ChatGPT to generate names for countries/continents because I really don’t care that much about that stuff in my story. The ones it comes up with are a lot better than any half-assed stuff I could have thought of, which probably says more about me than anything else.\n
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    On the other hand, I really don’t like how LLMs seem to be mainly controlled by large corporations. Most don’t even meet the open source definition, but even if they did, they’re not something a much smaller business can run. I almost want to reject LLMs for that reason on principle. I think we’re also likely to see a dramatic increase in pricing and `enshittification` in the next few years, once the excitement dies down. I want to avoid becoming dependent on this stuff, so I don’t use it much.\n
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    I think LLMs would be great for automating a lot of the junk work away, as you say. The problem I see is they aren’t reliable, and reliability is a crucial aspect of automation. You never really know what you’re going to get out of an LLM. Despite that, they’ll probably save you time anyway.\n
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    > I’m no expert, but neither is most of the workforce (although kernel work is, again, much more in the expert realm).\n
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    I think experts are the ones who would benefit from LLMs the most, despite LLMs consistently producing *average* work in my experience. They know enough to tell when it’s wrong, and they’re not so close to the code that they miss the obvious. For years, translators have been using machine translation tools to speed up their work, basically relegating them to being translation checkers. Of course, you’d probably see a lot of this with companies that contract translators at pitiful rates per word who need to work really hard to get decent pay. Which means the company now expects everyone to perform at that level, which means everyone needs to use machine translation tools to keep up, which means efficiency is prioritized over quality.\n
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    This is a very different scenario to kernel work. Translation has kind of been like that for a while from what I know, so LLMs are just the latest thing to exacerbate the issues.\n
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    I’m still pretty undecided on where I fall on the issue of LLMs. Ugh, nothing in life can ever be simple. Sorry for jumping all over the place, lol. That’s why I would have been interested in Linus Torvalds’ opinion :)
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      > After he got a handle on it, Torvalds returned to the kernel. He’s been much more mild-tempered since then. As he mentioned in Tokyo, he won’t be “giving some company the finger. I learned my lesson.”\n
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      This is probably a good thing.\n
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      > Looking ahead, Hohndel said, we must talk about “artificial intelligence large language models (LLM). I typically say artificial intelligence is autocorrect on steroids. Because all a large language model does is it predicts what’s the most likely next word that you’re going to use, and then it extrapolates from there, so not really very intelligent, but obviously, the impact that it has on our lives and the reality we live in is significant. Do you think we will see LLM written code that is submitted to you?”\n
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      > Torvalds replied, “I’m convinced it’s gonna happen. And it may well be happening already, maybe on a smaller scale where people use it more to help write code.” But, unlike many people, Torvalds isn’t too worried about AI. “It’s clearly something where automation has always helped people write code. This is not anything new at all.”\n
      > \n
      > Indeed, Torvalds hopes that AI might really help by being able “to find the obvious stupid bugs because a lot of the bugs I see are not subtle bugs. Many of them are just stupid bugs, and you don’t need any kind of higher intelligence to find them. But having tools that warn more subtle cases where, for example, it may just say ‘this pattern does not look like the regular pattern. Are you sure this is what you need?’ And the answer may be ‘No, that was not at all what I meant. You found an obvious bag. Thank you very much.’ We actually need autocorrects on steroids. I see AI as a tool that can help us be better at what we do.”\n
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      > But, “What about hallucinations?,” asked Hohndel. Torvalds, who will never stop being a little snarky, said, “I see the bugs that happen without AI every day. So that’s why I’m not so worried. I think we’re doing just fine at making mistakes on our own.”\n
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      There were no questions about whether maintainers would start utilizing LLMs. The questions were focused on how maintainers would respond to LLM-generated (or -assisted) patches being submitted to them. This attitude seems perfectly reasonable to me, but it would have been more interesting to ask questions about whether maintainers would start using LLMs in their work. Torvalds might have responded with a more interesting answer.
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    It was interesting to hear your perspective!\n
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    I’m a newbie programmer (and have been for quite a few years), but I’ve recently started trying to build useful programs. They’re small ones (under 1000 lines of code), but they accomplish the general task well enough. I’m also really busy, so as much as I like learning this stuff, I don’t have a lot of time to dedicate to it. The first program, which was 300 lines of code, took me about a week to build. I did it all myself in Python. It was a really good learning experience. I learned everything from how to read technical specifications to how to package the program for others to easily install.\n
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    The second program I built was about 500 lines of code, a little smaller in scope, and prototyped entirely in ChatGPT. I needed to get this done in a weekend, and so I got it done in 6 hours. It used SQLite and a lot of database queries that I didn’t know much about before starting the project, which surely would have taken hours to research. I spent about 4 hours fixing the things ChatGPT screwed up myself. I think I still learned a lot from the project, though I obviously would have learned more if I had to do it myself. One thing I asked it to do was to generate a man page, because I don’t know Groff. I was able to improve it afterward by glancing at the Groff docs, and I’m pretty happy with it. I still have yet to write a man page for the first program, despite wanting to do it over a year ago.\n
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    I was not particularly concerned about my programs being used as training data because they used a free license anyway. LLMs seem great for doing the work you don’t want to do, or don’t want to do *right now*. In a completely unrelated example, I sometimes ask ChatGPT to generate names for countries/continents because I really don’t care that much about that stuff in my story. The ones it comes up with are a lot better than any half-assed stuff I could have thought of, which probably says more about me than anything else.\n
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    On the other hand, I really don’t like how LLMs seem to be mainly controlled by large corporations. Most don’t even meet the open source definition, but even if they did, they’re not something a much smaller business can run. I almost want to reject LLMs for that reason on principle. I think we’re also likely to see a dramatic increase in pricing and `enshittification` in the next few years, once the excitement dies down. I want to avoid becoming dependent on this stuff, so I don’t use it much.\n
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    I think LLMs would be great for automating a lot of the junk work away, as you say. The problem I see is they aren’t reliable, and reliability is a crucial aspect of automation. You never really know what you’re going to get out of an LLM. Despite that, they’ll probably save you time anyway.\n
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    > I’m no expert, but neither is most of the workforce (although kernel work is, again, much more in the expert realm).\n
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    I think experts are the ones who would benefit from LLMs the most, despite LLMs consistently producing *average* work in my experience. They know enough to tell when it’s wrong, and they’re not so close to the code that they miss the obvious. For years, translators have been using machine translation tools to speed up their work, basically relegating them to being translation checkers. Of course, you’d probably see a lot of this with companies that contract translators at pitiful rates per word who need to work really hard to get decent pay. Which means the company now expects everyone to perform at that level, which means everyone needs to use machine translation tools to keep up, which means efficiency is prioritized over quality.\n
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    This is a very different scenario to kernel work. Translation has kind of been like that for a while from what I know, so LLMs are just the latest thing to exacerbate the issues.\n
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    I’m still pretty undecided on where I fall on the issue of LLMs. Ugh, nothing in life can ever be simple. Sorry for jumping all over the place, lol. That’s why I would have been interested in Linus Torvalds’ opinion :)
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          > That said, Torvalds continued, “Rust has not really shown itself as the next great big thing. But I think during next year, we’ll actually be starting to integrate drivers and some even major subsystems that are starting to use it actively. So it’s one of those things that is going to take years before it’s a big part of the kernel. But it’s certainly shaping up to be one of those.”\n
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        Speaking as a non Rustacean, I’m pretty okay with it becoming more integrated.\n
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      Agreed re: Google.  \n
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    I think it would take a pretty major sea change for them. They *technically* split up into Alphabet, but I don’t know of a single person that actually uses that when describing them.\n
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        Speaking as a non Rustacean, I’m pretty okay with it becoming more integrated.\n
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      Agreed re: Google.  \n
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    I think it would take a pretty major sea change for them. They *technically* split up into Alphabet, but I don’t know of a single person that actually uses that when describing them.\n
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      Agreed re: Google.  \n
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    I think it would take a pretty major sea change for them. They *technically* split up into Alphabet, but I don’t know of a single person that actually uses that when describing them.\n
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    Even if they *did* change things around, and I would wager that the entrenched bureaucracy will make that impossible, their name is toxic to a lot of tech nerds. We may be a minority, but we talk and people listen. Even the non techies in my life know that they can’t maintain a simple messaging app, responded to (rightful!) concerns about data loss by locking the support threads, and has jacked up the price of YouTube on a yearly basis.\n
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            > That said, Torvalds continued, “Rust has not really shown itself as the next great big thing. But I think during next year, we’ll actually be starting to integrate drivers and some even major subsystems that are starting to use it actively. So it’s one of those things that is going to take years before it’s a big part of the kernel. But it’s certainly shaping up to be one of those.”\n
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            I don’t know about that, languages which are based on standards (c++ , javascript, c) seem to have much better enduring popularity, i don’t want to see rust becoming less and less popular which will lead to less available developers (like what is happening with ruby).
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          Speaking as a non Rustacean, I’m pretty okay with it becoming more integrated.\n
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          Based on Google’s recent track record of mind-boggling incompetence on all fronts, I want Go kept as far away from core functionality as humanly possible. This leaves either adding more cruft to an already ungainly C++, continuing to use Boost (another Google product) with C, or to pivot to a more modern language.
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        Agreed re: Google.  \n
        I dunno what the solution is. The world without Google is going to be a very different place. Do you think it’s even possible for them to turn things around?
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      I think it would take a pretty major sea change for them. They *technically* split up into Alphabet, but I don’t know of a single person that actually uses that when describing them.\n
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      Even if they *did* change things around, and I would wager that the entrenched bureaucracy will make that impossible, their name is toxic to a lot of tech nerds. We may be a minority, but we talk and people listen. Even the non techies in my life know that they can’t maintain a simple messaging app, responded to (rightful!) concerns about data loss by locking the support threads, and has jacked up the price of YouTube on a yearly basis.\n
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            > That said, Torvalds continued, “Rust has not really shown itself as the next great big thing. But I think during next year, we’ll actually be starting to integrate drivers and some even major subsystems that are starting to use it actively. So it’s one of those things that is going to take years before it’s a big part of the kernel. But it’s certainly shaping up to be one of those.”\n
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            I don’t know about that, languages which are based on standards (c++ , javascript, c) seem to have much better enduring popularity, i don’t want to see rust becoming less and less popular which will lead to less available developers (like what is happening with ruby).
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          Speaking as a non Rustacean, I’m pretty okay with it becoming more integrated.\n
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          Based on Google’s recent track record of mind-boggling incompetence on all fronts, I want Go kept as far away from core functionality as humanly possible. This leaves either adding more cruft to an already ungainly C++, continuing to use Boost (another Google product) with C, or to pivot to a more modern language.
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        Agreed re: Google.  \n
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      I think it would take a pretty major sea change for them. They *technically* split up into Alphabet, but I don’t know of a single person that actually uses that when describing them.\n
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      Even if they *did* change things around, and I would wager that the entrenched bureaucracy will make that impossible, their name is toxic to a lot of tech nerds. We may be a minority, but we talk and people listen. Even the non techies in my life know that they can’t maintain a simple messaging app, responded to (rightful!) concerns about data loss by locking the support threads, and has jacked up the price of YouTube on a yearly basis.\n
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      They’ve spectacularly failed at video game consoles, social media, banking/credit cards, IOT, messaging, video, and can’t even maintain a semblance of consistency in their office suite. At work I have three different ways to receive instant messages, and it’s a crapshoot as to which one a coworker will use.\n
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    Yeah. Extremely unlikely and probably impossible.  \n
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            > That said, Torvalds continued, “Rust has not really shown itself as the next great big thing. But I think during next year, we’ll actually be starting to integrate drivers and some even major subsystems that are starting to use it actively. So it’s one of those things that is going to take years before it’s a big part of the kernel. But it’s certainly shaping up to be one of those.”\n
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            I don’t know about that, languages which are based on standards (c++ , javascript, c) seem to have much better enduring popularity, i don’t want to see rust becoming less and less popular which will lead to less available developers (like what is happening with ruby).
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          Speaking as a non Rustacean, I’m pretty okay with it becoming more integrated.\n
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          It’s safe, performant, and isn’t any more difficult to pick up than C++. C has a weird aura about it that makes it seem intimidating despite the fact that it is the simplest language (macros notwithstanding) that I’ve ever used.\n
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          Based on Google’s recent track record of mind-boggling incompetence on all fronts, I want Go kept as far away from core functionality as humanly possible. This leaves either adding more cruft to an already ungainly C++, continuing to use Boost (another Google product) with C, or to pivot to a more modern language.
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        Agreed re: Google.  \n
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      I think it would take a pretty major sea change for them. They *technically* split up into Alphabet, but I don’t know of a single person that actually uses that when describing them.\n
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      Even if they *did* change things around, and I would wager that the entrenched bureaucracy will make that impossible, their name is toxic to a lot of tech nerds. We may be a minority, but we talk and people listen. Even the non techies in my life know that they can’t maintain a simple messaging app, responded to (rightful!) concerns about data loss by locking the support threads, and has jacked up the price of YouTube on a yearly basis.\n
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      They’ve spectacularly failed at video game consoles, social media, banking/credit cards, IOT, messaging, video, and can’t even maintain a semblance of consistency in their office suite. At work I have three different ways to receive instant messages, and it’s a crapshoot as to which one a coworker will use.\n
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      And let’s not even get into how absolutely useless their search is now that everything has been gamed by SEO. Duckduckgo has been my default for years, but now it’s consistently returning *better* results than big G.\n
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    Yeah. Extremely unlikely and probably impossible.  \n
    It’s incredible how very much they have been able to fail but still continue operating.
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