Redirect 302 redirect from GET @entry_comment_create (84e01c)

GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml/active

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.97
Profiled on
Token
174b4b

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 2.36 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.04 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2972 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#3013 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#3015 …}
  +slug: "Times-have-changed"
  +title: "Times have changed"
  +url: "https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/8c128c29-042d-4a03-8e89-6663628d50ec.png"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 143
  +favouriteCount: 1274
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1721055586 {#3008
    date: 2024-07-15 16:59:46.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3016 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3018 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3020 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3022 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3024 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3026 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2024
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2025 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2011 …}
      +body: "WHAT is up with that shit anyway? It’s so annoying"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 11
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703682672 {#2032
        date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world"
        "@xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2033 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2028 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2012 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2013 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2035 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2036 …}
      -id: 256381
      -bodyTs: "'annoy':11 'anyway':7 'shit':6"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemmy.ml/comment/6903996"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703682672 {#2026
        date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 256381
    }
  ]
  -id: 25037
  -titleTs: "'chang':3 'time':1"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703692027
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://startrek.website/post/5040363"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703605627 {#2994
    date: 2023-12-26 16:47:07.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2972 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#3013 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#3015 …}
  +slug: "Times-have-changed"
  +title: "Times have changed"
  +url: "https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/8c128c29-042d-4a03-8e89-6663628d50ec.png"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 143
  +favouriteCount: 1274
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1721055586 {#3008
    date: 2024-07-15 16:59:46.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3016 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3018 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3020 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3022 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3024 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3026 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2024
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2025 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2011 …}
      +body: "WHAT is up with that shit anyway? It’s so annoying"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 11
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703682672 {#2032
        date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world"
        "@xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2033 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2028 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2012 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2013 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2035 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2036 …}
      -id: 256381
      -bodyTs: "'annoy':11 'anyway':7 'shit':6"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemmy.ml/comment/6903996"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703682672 {#2026
        date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 256381
    }
  ]
  -id: 25037
  -titleTs: "'chang':3 'time':1"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703692027
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://startrek.website/post/5040363"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703605627 {#2994
    date: 2023-12-26 16:47:07.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#3013 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#3015 …}
  +slug: "Times-have-changed"
  +title: "Times have changed"
  +url: "https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/8c128c29-042d-4a03-8e89-6663628d50ec.png"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 143
  +favouriteCount: 1274
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1721055586 {#3008
    date: 2024-07-15 16:59:46.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3016 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3018 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3020 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3022 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3024 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3026 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2024
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2025 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2011 …}
      +body: "WHAT is up with that shit anyway? It’s so annoying"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 11
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703682672 {#2032
        date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world"
        "@xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2033 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2028 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2012 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2013 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2035 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2036 …}
      -id: 256381
      -bodyTs: "'annoy':11 'anyway':7 'shit':6"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemmy.ml/comment/6903996"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703682672 {#2026
        date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 256381
    }
  ]
  -id: 25037
  -titleTs: "'chang':3 'time':1"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703692027
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://startrek.website/post/5040363"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703605627 {#2994
    date: 2023-12-26 16:47:07.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\EntryComment {#2024
  +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022
    +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2972 …}
    +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
    +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#3013 …}
    +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#3015 …}
    +slug: "Times-have-changed"
    +title: "Times have changed"
    +url: "https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/8c128c29-042d-4a03-8e89-6663628d50ec.png"
    +body: null
    +type: "image"
    +lang: "en"
    +isOc: false
    +hasEmbed: true
    +commentCount: 143
    +favouriteCount: 1274
    +score: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +sticky: false
    +lastActive: DateTime @1721055586 {#3008
      date: 2024-07-15 16:59:46.0 +02:00
    }
    +ip: null
    +adaAmount: 0
    +tags: null
    +mentions: null
    +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3016 …}
    +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3018 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3020 …}
    +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3022 …}
    +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3024 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3026 …}
    +children: [
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    ]
    -id: 25037
    -titleTs: "'chang':3 'time':1"
    -bodyTs: null
    +cross: false
    +upVotes: 0
    +downVotes: 0
    +ranking: 1703692027
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +apId: "https://startrek.website/post/5040363"
    +editedAt: null
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703605627 {#2994
      date: 2023-12-26 16:47:07.0 +01:00
    }
    +__isInitialized__: true
     …2
  }
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
  +image: null
  +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2025 …}
  +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2011 …}
  +body: "WHAT is up with that shit anyway? It’s so annoying"
  +lang: "en"
  +isAdult: false
  +favouriteCount: 11
  +score: 0
  +lastActive: DateTime @1703682672 {#2032
    date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +tags: null
  +mentions: [
    "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
    "@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world"
    "@xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org"
  ]
  +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2033 …}
  +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2028 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2012 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2013 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2035 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2036 …}
  -id: 256381
  -bodyTs: "'annoy':11 'anyway':7 'shit':6"
  +ranking: 0
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  +downVotes: 0
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.ml/comment/6903996"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703682672 {#2026
    date: 2023-12-27 14:11:12.0 +01:00
  }
  +"title": 256381
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
7 DENIED edit 
App\Entity\EntryComment {#2024
  +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2022
    +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2972 …}
    +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2018 …}
    +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#3013 …}
    +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#3015 …}
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        > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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        Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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          Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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        This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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        XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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        [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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        From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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        The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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        It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
          \n
          You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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          Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
          \n
          Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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        After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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        I just want you to know, this isn’t a failure on anything other than Nvidia trying to force their own crap on everyone and failing
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      +body: "Apparently their devs are aware of Wayland. Maybe someone even makes a Wayland-aware alternative like some apps had."
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      +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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      +body: """
        This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
        \n
        Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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        XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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        X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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        Besides, modern day X over Network is a somewhat niche and possibly broken function
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      +body: "Interesting, I saw they mentioned Wayland in their repo."
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      +body: "They tried to force their own EGLstreams system on everyone and people wouldn’t have it"
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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        You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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        No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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        [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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        From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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        Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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        Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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        If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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        The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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        It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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        > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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        Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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          Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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        After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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        I just want you to know, this isn’t a failure on anything other than Nvidia trying to force their own crap on everyone and failing
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      +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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        This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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        XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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        [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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        From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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        The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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        It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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        Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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    Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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        +body: "Apparently their devs are aware of Wayland. Maybe someone even makes a Wayland-aware alternative like some apps had."
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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    > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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    Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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            Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
          \n
          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Besides, modern day X over Network is a somewhat niche and possibly broken function
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        +body: "They tried to force their own EGLstreams system on everyone and people wouldn’t have it"
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
            \n
            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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            Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          I just want you to know, this isn’t a failure on anything other than Nvidia trying to force their own crap on everyone and failing
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Besides, modern day X over Network is a somewhat niche and possibly broken function
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
            \n
            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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            Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          I just want you to know, this isn’t a failure on anything other than Nvidia trying to force their own crap on everyone and failing
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        +body: "Apparently their devs are aware of Wayland. Maybe someone even makes a Wayland-aware alternative like some apps had."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Besides, modern day X over Network is a somewhat niche and possibly broken function
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        +body: "They tried to force their own EGLstreams system on everyone and people wouldn’t have it"
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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            Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          I just want you to know, this isn’t a failure on anything other than Nvidia trying to force their own crap on everyone and failing
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        +body: "Apparently their devs are aware of Wayland. Maybe someone even makes a Wayland-aware alternative like some apps had."
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Besides, modern day X over Network is a somewhat niche and possibly broken function
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        +body: "They tried to force their own EGLstreams system on everyone and people wouldn’t have it"
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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    XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
            \n
            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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            Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          I just want you to know, this isn’t a failure on anything other than Nvidia trying to force their own crap on everyone and failing
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        +body: "Apparently their devs are aware of Wayland. Maybe someone even makes a Wayland-aware alternative like some apps had."
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
            \n
            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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            Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          I just want you to know, this isn’t a failure on anything other than Nvidia trying to force their own crap on everyone and failing
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        +body: "Apparently their devs are aware of Wayland. Maybe someone even makes a Wayland-aware alternative like some apps had."
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Besides, modern day X over Network is a somewhat niche and possibly broken function
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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        +body: "Apparently their devs are aware of Wayland. Maybe someone even makes a Wayland-aware alternative like some apps had."
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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        +body: "Interesting, I saw they mentioned Wayland in their repo."
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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    Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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    No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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    You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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    No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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    You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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    No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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            Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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            Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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    [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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    From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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        +body: "They tried to force their own EGLstreams system on everyone and people wouldn’t have it"
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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    From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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    If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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    From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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            You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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    The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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    It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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    Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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        +body: "They made Wayland the way it is precisely to NOT make the same mistake."
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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    The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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    It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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    Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          Which X.Org was not designed to support.
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            Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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    The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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    It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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    Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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    It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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    Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
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    You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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          > Which no, haven’t gone away as the technology advanced as many people would like to believe, we’re still using displays and networking and keyboards and mice.\n
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          Depending on how long ago you’re talking about, your hardware, and your desktop of choice, things might’ve been improved a lot since the last time you used a Wayland session.
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
          \n
          X’s way of handling events and sending draws to clients as such is somewhat convoluted. Once you start to really dig into it, it’s amazing how much people managed to stack on top of it until today.\n
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          Besides, modern day X over Network is a somewhat niche and possibly broken function
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        +body: "They tried to force their own EGLstreams system on everyone and people wouldn’t have it"
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          You can share screen perfectly fine under Wayland. Many apps use it fine, and even in case of Discord if you use it with a browser it’s doable.\n
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          No Wayland dev can fix an issue that originates from lack of app support. There has been many Wayland issues through the years and trust me, *I know*, but how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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          From this, follow the chain of articles about it\n
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          Basically, everyone used (and uses) GBM, while Nvidia went and fucked around for a while trying to force EGLstreams, by not supporting GBM.\n
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          Well, people resisted this and finally Nvidia had to start adopting GBM in their drivers.\n
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          If Nvidia wasn’t such a fucking dick Wayland would be ahead by years now
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          The interface exists. It’s up to zoom to support it. Why are you under the impression there is a technical issue? THERE IS NONE.\n
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          It’s up to Zoom to support the aforementioned interface.\n
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          Wayland’s display handling in this manner is for security, the user will be shown a permission request dialogue to let the app access the screen only if you permit it, it’s also disallowed from accessing anything except what you’ve given it permission to. This is not even a new concept, just not doable under X.\n
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          It’s also possible to create the lawless model of X under Wayland through a protocol if you desire to make one, but it makes little sense to throw away this better model just for the sake of some shitty proprietary apps who don’t care for Linux anyways
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    Sounds like a heap of crap. X.Org developers moved to Wayland, they were the ones who made it happen. Now, I wonder where this dude with his XOrg Forks and PhD and shit was during all that 15 years it took to conceptualize wayland.\n
    \n
    You all need a lesson in taking everything people say, including and most importantly their qualifications with a huge grain of salt.\n
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    Wayland has been working perfectly for years now. Many of the supposedly “impossible to implement” functions of the old hunk of junk Xorg were either found to be bogus anyways or have been made available on Wayland.\n
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    Sincerely– Someone who’s been using wayland since 2016
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          After finally realizing nobody is interested in EGLstreams, Nvidia seems to be on track to make their drivers less of a disaster for Wayland support, so thankfully it is bound to become better\n
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          This also depends on the desktop you use. GNOME is by far the most stable [In My Experience], and KDE spent the whole 5.x series getting their Wayland support into shape. What you’re describing could be XWayland failures (games don’t run on Wayland lol) and desktop environment bugs.\n
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          XOrg is designed so a central server (mainframe) sends and receives data from smaller terminals, and that not only includes a heap of devices that haven’t been in use since the 90s it also has a ton of features that nobody uses. (See: X native fonts, X native widgets, X driver model…)\n
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          Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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          [www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API](https://www.phoronix.com/news/XDC2016-Device-Memory-API)\n
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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133 DENIED ROLE_ADMIN 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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134 DENIED ROLE_MODERATOR 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details