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Response
200 OK
IP
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Profiled on
Token
17b70f

Security

Token

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Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 
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12 
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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2 DENIED moderate 
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
      """
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    Long title, wopsi.\n
    \n
    Recently been checking out PIA VPN service(for research purposes), and they advertise their services to be 100% open source. However when checking their Github they don’t seem to have their code base for website there.\n
    \n
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    \n
    Lemmyknow your thoughts!
    """
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN
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3 DENIED edit 
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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    Long title, wopsi.\n
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    \n
    So this have had me wondering, when you hear the term 100% open source. Do you expect ALL of what they do, including website part, to be open source? Or just the application / service that they offer?\n
    \n
    Lemmyknow your thoughts!
    """
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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4 DENIED moderate 
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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    \n
    So this have had me wondering, when you hear the term 100% open source. Do you expect ALL of what they do, including website part, to be open source? Or just the application / service that they offer?\n
    \n
    Lemmyknow your thoughts!
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        It’s pretty common for companies like that to advertise that their app is 100% open source, but then stop short of guaranteeing anything beyond that. In PIA’s case, I would point out that their infrastructure (the servers that they use to route your traffic) are closed, so they could be doing literally anything in there. Their desktop client being open source doesn’t actually do much to guarantee your privacy.\n
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    Right, you can’t be 100% sure, but there are measures that they can take to make you trust them a bit more. For example, I believe Mullvad runs systems in RAM and keeps no records of who uses what. You don’t even have to give them your email address; they don’t want it. And they submit to regular audits (provided you trust the auditors).\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        \n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    Right, you can’t be 100% sure, but there are measures that they can take to make you trust them a bit more. For example, I believe Mullvad runs systems in RAM and keeps no records of who uses what. You don’t even have to give them your email address; they don’t want it. And they submit to regular audits (provided you trust the auditors).\n
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    Lol are you like 85 years old?\n
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    Open source is a term relating to software. Software is created using code. This isn’t a hard idea to track.\n
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    [Software as a service](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service) is common. Feel free to read up.
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