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Install a bigger Distro\n
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I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
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This reduces the amount of entropy **drastically**. Entropy means chaos, the randomness that your package manager needs to fight. Every install and removal of a package makes your system diverge from the tested version upstream, and developers will often say “We cant reproduce this issue”.\n
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Containerize workloads\n
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So if you can use VMs with graphical acceleration and have enough RAM, install a very light Desktop on there or even a Window Manager (Fedora Sway spin?).\n
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One step below: you can use isolated containers. Toolbox and Distrobox are not suited for that out of the box, but there are ways to isolate its directories and also remove filesystem permissions completely.\n
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The last but still useful step is to have Toolbox/Distrobox Containers. It doesnt isolate your filesystem at all, as its primary use case is to have app support from every Linux Distro. So you can use Ubuntu PPA, Arch AUR, Fedora COPR, Opensuse and many more Distro-specific repos.\n
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While thats mostly not needed, you can group your projects here, most common use case is a dev environment with loads of other dependencies, that you dont want to put on your main system.\n
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Stick to secure defaults\n
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Example: Fedora and others are nearly unique at using SELinux, which is naturally on Android.\n
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Also, Distros being very stable with Wayland, Pipewire and other modern standards, are a good indication. Switching from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE for example was a great step.\n
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Its not best to self hack all your security features. Even though MAC address randomization or secure DNS settings are not default poorly.\n
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Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
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Try OSTree Distros\n
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There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
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- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
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To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
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You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
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With OSTree Distros you can reset, rebase to another system (completely different or simply with some other packages), display every change you did to it, revert the changes to your last boot, keep any image as a backup before experimenting… And all updates and installs are atomic! If something fails, you will have no update, no chance to break at all, even when using rolling git releases or something.\n
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Automate\n
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Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
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Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
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Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
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Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
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Automate app startups if they take long.\n
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Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
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Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
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Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
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There are many Distros out there, but what they all do is make useful and modern systems.\n
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What are your not well known hacks/tricks to make the Linux Desktop experience WAY better and modern?\n
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Here are mine\n
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Install a bigger Distro\n
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I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
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But its true that sticking to something “Upstream” helps a lot with stable Experience and Support.\n
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I recommend Fedora, and they put a lot of focus on the new, modern Atomic Variants.\n
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You may also stick to Opensuse, Arch or even Debian. Debian will get boring and stay partly broken. Opensuse struggles with adaption sometimes. Arch is Arch…\n
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Get Flatpak & Flathub\n
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Having an “out of the box” system helps extremely with updates, package conflicts and all. With Flatpak, you have access to nearly all Graphical Linux Applications (that are widely used and maintained).\n
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Its not sufficient for everything, but 70% or so of the users could totally have a 90% Flatpak/10% native packages system.\n
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This reduces the amount of entropy **drastically**. Entropy means chaos, the randomness that your package manager needs to fight. Every install and removal of a package makes your system diverge from the tested version upstream, and developers will often say “We cant reproduce this issue”.\n
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Also at the same time, Flatpaks remove the need of seperate packaging, they have official binaries (`–subsection=verified`). Thus the versions are often newer.\n
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Also, Flatpaks are open, and have easy containerization and permission management.\n
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Containerize workloads\n
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Example: I have a Laptop that does Private, Secure and Work things.\n
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Best would be to have isolated containers or even Virtual Machines, if you really dont want other apps spying on something you dont like. This is luckily nearly nonexistent, even though X11 and the lack of SELinux make common Distros not actually secure.\n
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So if you can use VMs with graphical acceleration and have enough RAM, install a very light Desktop on there or even a Window Manager (Fedora Sway spin?).\n
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One step below: you can use isolated containers. Toolbox and Distrobox are not suited for that out of the box, but there are ways to isolate its directories and also remove filesystem permissions completely.\n
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The last but still useful step is to have Toolbox/Distrobox Containers. It doesnt isolate your filesystem at all, as its primary use case is to have app support from every Linux Distro. So you can use Ubuntu PPA, Arch AUR, Fedora COPR, Opensuse and many more Distro-specific repos.\n
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While thats mostly not needed, you can group your projects here, most common use case is a dev environment with loads of other dependencies, that you dont want to put on your main system.\n
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Stick to secure defaults\n
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Example: Fedora and others are nearly unique at using SELinux, which is naturally on Android.\n
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Also, Distros being very stable with Wayland, Pipewire and other modern standards, are a good indication. Switching from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE for example was a great step.\n
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Its not best to self hack all your security features. Even though MAC address randomization or secure DNS settings are not default poorly.\n
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Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
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Try OSTree Distros\n
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There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
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- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
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To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
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You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
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With OSTree Distros you can reset, rebase to another system (completely different or simply with some other packages), display every change you did to it, revert the changes to your last boot, keep any image as a backup before experimenting… And all updates and installs are atomic! If something fails, you will have no update, no chance to break at all, even when using rolling git releases or something.\n
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Automate\n
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Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
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Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
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Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
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Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
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Automate app startups if they take long.\n
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Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
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Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
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Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
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There are many Distros out there, but what they all do is make useful and modern systems.\n
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What are your not well known hacks/tricks to make the Linux Desktop experience WAY better and modern?\n
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Here are mine\n
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Install a bigger Distro\n
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I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
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But its true that sticking to something “Upstream” helps a lot with stable Experience and Support.\n
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I recommend Fedora, and they put a lot of focus on the new, modern Atomic Variants.\n
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You may also stick to Opensuse, Arch or even Debian. Debian will get boring and stay partly broken. Opensuse struggles with adaption sometimes. Arch is Arch…\n
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Get Flatpak & Flathub\n
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Having an “out of the box” system helps extremely with updates, package conflicts and all. With Flatpak, you have access to nearly all Graphical Linux Applications (that are widely used and maintained).\n
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Its not sufficient for everything, but 70% or so of the users could totally have a 90% Flatpak/10% native packages system.\n
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This reduces the amount of entropy **drastically**. Entropy means chaos, the randomness that your package manager needs to fight. Every install and removal of a package makes your system diverge from the tested version upstream, and developers will often say “We cant reproduce this issue”.\n
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Also at the same time, Flatpaks remove the need of seperate packaging, they have official binaries (`–subsection=verified`). Thus the versions are often newer.\n
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Also, Flatpaks are open, and have easy containerization and permission management.\n
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Containerize workloads\n
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Example: I have a Laptop that does Private, Secure and Work things.\n
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Best would be to have isolated containers or even Virtual Machines, if you really dont want other apps spying on something you dont like. This is luckily nearly nonexistent, even though X11 and the lack of SELinux make common Distros not actually secure.\n
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So if you can use VMs with graphical acceleration and have enough RAM, install a very light Desktop on there or even a Window Manager (Fedora Sway spin?).\n
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One step below: you can use isolated containers. Toolbox and Distrobox are not suited for that out of the box, but there are ways to isolate its directories and also remove filesystem permissions completely.\n
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The last but still useful step is to have Toolbox/Distrobox Containers. It doesnt isolate your filesystem at all, as its primary use case is to have app support from every Linux Distro. So you can use Ubuntu PPA, Arch AUR, Fedora COPR, Opensuse and many more Distro-specific repos.\n
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While thats mostly not needed, you can group your projects here, most common use case is a dev environment with loads of other dependencies, that you dont want to put on your main system.\n
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Stick to secure defaults\n
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Example: Fedora and others are nearly unique at using SELinux, which is naturally on Android.\n
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Also, Distros being very stable with Wayland, Pipewire and other modern standards, are a good indication. Switching from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE for example was a great step.\n
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Its not best to self hack all your security features. Even though MAC address randomization or secure DNS settings are not default poorly.\n
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Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
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Try OSTree Distros\n
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There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
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- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
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To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
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You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
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With OSTree Distros you can reset, rebase to another system (completely different or simply with some other packages), display every change you did to it, revert the changes to your last boot, keep any image as a backup before experimenting… And all updates and installs are atomic! If something fails, you will have no update, no chance to break at all, even when using rolling git releases or something.\n
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Automate\n
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Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
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Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
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For example using Syncthing. Why need a server when you have all your data on two devices that you own. The chance of both breaking is not very high.\n
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Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
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Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
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Automate app startups if they take long.\n
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Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
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Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
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Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
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What are your tips for Linux Desktops?
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 03:17:36 +0300 From: turistu To: oss-security@…ts.openwall.com Subject: with firefox on X11, any page can pastejack you anytime\n
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Note to the moderator: I have already submitted this to the firefox people three weeks ago, and according to them, this is not a real security issue, or at least not worse than those pesky scripts which you cannot kill without killing firefox itself; if you think the same, just ignore this without replying.\n
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I would however appreciate if you let this through and so give it some visibility so that the other 2 or 3 people who may be affected by this could learn about it.\n
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Thank you very much.\n
\n
====\n
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In firefox running on X11, any script from any page can freely write to the primary selection, and that can be easily exploited to run arbitrary code on the user’s machine.\n
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No user interaction is necessary – any page able to run javascript can do it, including e.g. a page from a background tab of a minimized window, an iframe inside such a window, an error page, a sandboxed iframe, a page that has reloaded itself via `meta http-equiv=refresh`, etc.\n
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This applies to all the versions of mozilla/firefox and their derivatives (seamonkey, etc) that I was able to test, including the latest nightly.\n
\n
### Example\n
\n
The simplest example, which works in the default configurations of systems like OpenBSD or Alpine Linux (= any Unix/Linux system where Wayland is not the default and the default *shell* does not implement bracketed-paste), would go like this:\n
\n
Load the following snippet in firefox:\n
\n
```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">intentionally left blank\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
Then pretend to forget about it, and go about your work. Sooner or later, when trying to paste something in the terminal with shift-Insert or middle click, you will end up running the command `writeXPrimary()` has injected just between your copy and paste.\n
\n
live example of that snippet: [turistu.github.io/firefox/pastejack.html](https://turistu.github.io/firefox/pastejack.html)\n
\n
### Short technical explanation\n
\n
Browsers like firefox have the concepts of “secure context” (e.g. `https://`) and “transient user activation”; the javascript from the page gets some temporary powers as soon as you have interacted *even so little* with the page, like clicked, touched, etc.\n
\n
For instance, writing with `Clipboard.writeText()` to the windows-style Ctrl-C Ctrl-V *clipboard* selection is only possible from secure contexts and only in the short while after the user has clicked a button, etc on the page. As this bug demonstrates, those prerequisites are not needed for writing to the *primary* selection, which on X11 is much more used and much more valuable.\n
\n
### Workaround\n
\n
Without patching firefox, the only workaround I can think about is disabling the `Clipboard.selectAllChildren()` function from an addon’s content script, e.g. like this:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">let block = function(){ throw Error('blocked') };\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">exportFunction(block, Selection.prototype, { defineAs: 'selectAllChildren' });\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
Complete extension here at [github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/raw/…/no-sel.xpi](https://github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/raw/main/firefox/no-sel.xpi).\n
\n
I tried to submit it to addons.mozilla.org but they didn’t accept it. If you’re running firefox-esr, the development edition or nightly, you can just `set xpinstall.signatures.required` to true in `about:config` and install it with `firefox no-sel.xpi`.\n
\n
### Firefox Patch\n
\n
```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">diff -r 9b362770f30b layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">--- a/layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\tFri Oct 06 12:03:17 2023 +0000\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+++ b/layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\tSun Oct 08 11:04:41 2023 +0300\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">@@ -3345,6 +3345,10 @@\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> return; // Don't care if we are still dragging.\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> }\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> \n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ if (aReason & nsISelectionListener::JS_REASON) {\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ return;\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ }\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> if (!aDocument || aSelection.IsCollapsed()) {\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> #ifdef DEBUG_CLIPBOARD\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> fprintf(stderr, "CLIPBOARD: no selection/collapsed selectionn");\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
The idea of this patch was to *always* prevent javascript from indirectly messing with the primary selection via the Selection API. However, it turned out that the `JS_REASON` flag was not reliable; if javascript calls some function like `addRange()` or `selectAllChildren()` while the user has started dragging but hasn’t released the mouse button yet, that code will be called *without* that flag but with the text set by javascript, not the text selected by the user. However, I think that this patch is still enough to fill the glaring hole opened by `selectAllChildren()`.\n
\n
### About the example and bracketed-paste\n
\n
The bracketed paste feature of bash/readline and zsh means that you cannot just append a CR or LF to the payload and be done, it’s the user who has to press ENTER for it to run.\n
\n
However, workarounds exist. For instance, some terminals like mlterm don’t filter out the pasted data, and you can terminate the pasting mode early by inserting a `e201~` in the payload.\n
\n
For bash, you can take advantage of some quirks in the readline library to turn off the highlighting and make the payload invisible to the user. E.g.:\n
\n
```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">let payload = 'touch ~/LOL-' + Date.now() / 1000;\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">writeXPrimary('n' + payload + 'n'.repeat(100) + ' '.repeat(30)\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">\t+ 'n'.repeat(100))\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
which will confuse the user with the same screen as when some stray background job had written something to the terminal:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">user@...t:~$ : previous unrelated command\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">user@...t:~$\t<-- paste here\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"># <-- cursor here, most users will just hit Enter to get a new prompt\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
live example of that snippet: [turistu.github.io/firefox/bash-pastejack.html\n
\n
Just to be clear, I don’t think that either mlterm, bash, nor the shells that don’t do have that bracketed-paste feature are at fault here in any way (and I personally always turn off that misfeature as it badly interferes with my workflow): It’s firefox which should get all the blame for letting random javascript evade its pretended “sandbox” in this way.\n
\n
### About Wayland\n
\n
For firefox running in Wayland, `writeXPrimary()` will only succeed when the firefox window (the main window, not necessarily the tab the code runs in) has the focus. Otherwise the selection will be cleared. At first I assumed that this is something specific to the Wayland protocol, but that turned out to be utterly false; it’s just some quirk, bug or “feature” specific to either firefox itself or GTK.\n
\n
But I think that’s still bad enough, even if the page should take care to only set the selection when the main window has gained focus.\n
\n
And of course, all this doesn’t affect the situation where you’re copying and pasting in another firefox tab with a different context, origin, etc; and all the other situations where you don’t appreciate having random javascript you don’t even know about messing with your copy & paste.\n
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===\n
\n
This is a slightly edited version of [github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/…/pastejack.md](https://github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/blob/main/firefox/pastejack.md).\n
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I will correct any errors or omissions and also add more info there.
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 03:17:36 +0300 From: turistu To: oss-security@…ts.openwall.com Subject: with firefox on X11, any page can pastejack you anytime\n
\n
Note to the moderator: I have already submitted this to the firefox people three weeks ago, and according to them, this is not a real security issue, or at least not worse than those pesky scripts which you cannot kill without killing firefox itself; if you think the same, just ignore this without replying.\n
\n
I would however appreciate if you let this through and so give it some visibility so that the other 2 or 3 people who may be affected by this could learn about it.\n
\n
Thank you very much.\n
\n
====\n
\n
In firefox running on X11, any script from any page can freely write to the primary selection, and that can be easily exploited to run arbitrary code on the user’s machine.\n
\n
No user interaction is necessary – any page able to run javascript can do it, including e.g. a page from a background tab of a minimized window, an iframe inside such a window, an error page, a sandboxed iframe, a page that has reloaded itself via `meta http-equiv=refresh`, etc.\n
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This applies to all the versions of mozilla/firefox and their derivatives (seamonkey, etc) that I was able to test, including the latest nightly.\n
\n
### Example\n
\n
The simplest example, which works in the default configurations of systems like OpenBSD or Alpine Linux (= any Unix/Linux system where Wayland is not the default and the default *shell* does not implement bracketed-paste), would go like this:\n
\n
Load the following snippet in firefox:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">intentionally left blank\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
Then pretend to forget about it, and go about your work. Sooner or later, when trying to paste something in the terminal with shift-Insert or middle click, you will end up running the command `writeXPrimary()` has injected just between your copy and paste.\n
\n
live example of that snippet: [turistu.github.io/firefox/pastejack.html](https://turistu.github.io/firefox/pastejack.html)\n
\n
### Short technical explanation\n
\n
Browsers like firefox have the concepts of “secure context” (e.g. `https://`) and “transient user activation”; the javascript from the page gets some temporary powers as soon as you have interacted *even so little* with the page, like clicked, touched, etc.\n
\n
For instance, writing with `Clipboard.writeText()` to the windows-style Ctrl-C Ctrl-V *clipboard* selection is only possible from secure contexts and only in the short while after the user has clicked a button, etc on the page. As this bug demonstrates, those prerequisites are not needed for writing to the *primary* selection, which on X11 is much more used and much more valuable.\n
\n
### Workaround\n
\n
Without patching firefox, the only workaround I can think about is disabling the `Clipboard.selectAllChildren()` function from an addon’s content script, e.g. like this:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">let block = function(){ throw Error('blocked') };\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">exportFunction(block, Selection.prototype, { defineAs: 'selectAllChildren' });\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
Complete extension here at [github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/raw/…/no-sel.xpi](https://github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/raw/main/firefox/no-sel.xpi).\n
\n
I tried to submit it to addons.mozilla.org but they didn’t accept it. If you’re running firefox-esr, the development edition or nightly, you can just `set xpinstall.signatures.required` to true in `about:config` and install it with `firefox no-sel.xpi`.\n
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### Firefox Patch\n
\n
```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">diff -r 9b362770f30b layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">--- a/layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\tFri Oct 06 12:03:17 2023 +0000\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+++ b/layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\tSun Oct 08 11:04:41 2023 +0300\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">@@ -3345,6 +3345,10 @@\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> return; // Don't care if we are still dragging.\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> }\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> \n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ if (aReason & nsISelectionListener::JS_REASON) {\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ return;\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ }\n
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</span><span style="color:#323232;"> if (!aDocument || aSelection.IsCollapsed()) {\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> #ifdef DEBUG_CLIPBOARD\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> fprintf(stderr, "CLIPBOARD: no selection/collapsed selectionn");\n
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```\n
\n
The idea of this patch was to *always* prevent javascript from indirectly messing with the primary selection via the Selection API. However, it turned out that the `JS_REASON` flag was not reliable; if javascript calls some function like `addRange()` or `selectAllChildren()` while the user has started dragging but hasn’t released the mouse button yet, that code will be called *without* that flag but with the text set by javascript, not the text selected by the user. However, I think that this patch is still enough to fill the glaring hole opened by `selectAllChildren()`.\n
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### About the example and bracketed-paste\n
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The bracketed paste feature of bash/readline and zsh means that you cannot just append a CR or LF to the payload and be done, it’s the user who has to press ENTER for it to run.\n
\n
However, workarounds exist. For instance, some terminals like mlterm don’t filter out the pasted data, and you can terminate the pasting mode early by inserting a `e201~` in the payload.\n
\n
For bash, you can take advantage of some quirks in the readline library to turn off the highlighting and make the payload invisible to the user. E.g.:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">let payload = 'touch ~/LOL-' + Date.now() / 1000;\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">writeXPrimary('n' + payload + 'n'.repeat(100) + ' '.repeat(30)\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">\t+ 'n'.repeat(100))\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
which will confuse the user with the same screen as when some stray background job had written something to the terminal:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">user@...t:~$ : previous unrelated command\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">user@...t:~$\t<-- paste here\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"># <-- cursor here, most users will just hit Enter to get a new prompt\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
live example of that snippet: [turistu.github.io/firefox/bash-pastejack.html\n
\n
Just to be clear, I don’t think that either mlterm, bash, nor the shells that don’t do have that bracketed-paste feature are at fault here in any way (and I personally always turn off that misfeature as it badly interferes with my workflow): It’s firefox which should get all the blame for letting random javascript evade its pretended “sandbox” in this way.\n
\n
### About Wayland\n
\n
For firefox running in Wayland, `writeXPrimary()` will only succeed when the firefox window (the main window, not necessarily the tab the code runs in) has the focus. Otherwise the selection will be cleared. At first I assumed that this is something specific to the Wayland protocol, but that turned out to be utterly false; it’s just some quirk, bug or “feature” specific to either firefox itself or GTK.\n
\n
But I think that’s still bad enough, even if the page should take care to only set the selection when the main window has gained focus.\n
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And of course, all this doesn’t affect the situation where you’re copying and pasting in another firefox tab with a different context, origin, etc; and all the other situations where you don’t appreciate having random javascript you don’t even know about messing with your copy & paste.\n
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===\n
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This is a slightly edited version of [github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/…/pastejack.md](https://github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/blob/main/firefox/pastejack.md).\n
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I will correct any errors or omissions and also add more info there.
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 03:17:36 +0300 From: turistu To: oss-security@…ts.openwall.com Subject: with firefox on X11, any page can pastejack you anytime\n
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Note to the moderator: I have already submitted this to the firefox people three weeks ago, and according to them, this is not a real security issue, or at least not worse than those pesky scripts which you cannot kill without killing firefox itself; if you think the same, just ignore this without replying.\n
\n
I would however appreciate if you let this through and so give it some visibility so that the other 2 or 3 people who may be affected by this could learn about it.\n
\n
Thank you very much.\n
\n
====\n
\n
In firefox running on X11, any script from any page can freely write to the primary selection, and that can be easily exploited to run arbitrary code on the user’s machine.\n
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No user interaction is necessary – any page able to run javascript can do it, including e.g. a page from a background tab of a minimized window, an iframe inside such a window, an error page, a sandboxed iframe, a page that has reloaded itself via `meta http-equiv=refresh`, etc.\n
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This applies to all the versions of mozilla/firefox and their derivatives (seamonkey, etc) that I was able to test, including the latest nightly.\n
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### Example\n
\n
The simplest example, which works in the default configurations of systems like OpenBSD or Alpine Linux (= any Unix/Linux system where Wayland is not the default and the default *shell* does not implement bracketed-paste), would go like this:\n
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Load the following snippet in firefox:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">intentionally left blank\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
Then pretend to forget about it, and go about your work. Sooner or later, when trying to paste something in the terminal with shift-Insert or middle click, you will end up running the command `writeXPrimary()` has injected just between your copy and paste.\n
\n
live example of that snippet: [turistu.github.io/firefox/pastejack.html](https://turistu.github.io/firefox/pastejack.html)\n
\n
### Short technical explanation\n
\n
Browsers like firefox have the concepts of “secure context” (e.g. `https://`) and “transient user activation”; the javascript from the page gets some temporary powers as soon as you have interacted *even so little* with the page, like clicked, touched, etc.\n
\n
For instance, writing with `Clipboard.writeText()` to the windows-style Ctrl-C Ctrl-V *clipboard* selection is only possible from secure contexts and only in the short while after the user has clicked a button, etc on the page. As this bug demonstrates, those prerequisites are not needed for writing to the *primary* selection, which on X11 is much more used and much more valuable.\n
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### Workaround\n
\n
Without patching firefox, the only workaround I can think about is disabling the `Clipboard.selectAllChildren()` function from an addon’s content script, e.g. like this:\n
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```\n
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<span style="color:#323232;">let block = function(){ throw Error('blocked') };\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">exportFunction(block, Selection.prototype, { defineAs: 'selectAllChildren' });\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
Complete extension here at [github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/raw/…/no-sel.xpi](https://github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/raw/main/firefox/no-sel.xpi).\n
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I tried to submit it to addons.mozilla.org but they didn’t accept it. If you’re running firefox-esr, the development edition or nightly, you can just `set xpinstall.signatures.required` to true in `about:config` and install it with `firefox no-sel.xpi`.\n
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### Firefox Patch\n
\n
```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">diff -r 9b362770f30b layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">--- a/layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\tFri Oct 06 12:03:17 2023 +0000\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+++ b/layout/generic/nsFrameSelection.cpp\tSun Oct 08 11:04:41 2023 +0300\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">@@ -3345,6 +3345,10 @@\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> return; // Don't care if we are still dragging.\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> }\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> \n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ if (aReason & nsISelectionListener::JS_REASON) {\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ return;\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+ }\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">+\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> if (!aDocument || aSelection.IsCollapsed()) {\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> #ifdef DEBUG_CLIPBOARD\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> fprintf(stderr, "CLIPBOARD: no selection/collapsed selectionn");\n
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```\n
\n
The idea of this patch was to *always* prevent javascript from indirectly messing with the primary selection via the Selection API. However, it turned out that the `JS_REASON` flag was not reliable; if javascript calls some function like `addRange()` or `selectAllChildren()` while the user has started dragging but hasn’t released the mouse button yet, that code will be called *without* that flag but with the text set by javascript, not the text selected by the user. However, I think that this patch is still enough to fill the glaring hole opened by `selectAllChildren()`.\n
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### About the example and bracketed-paste\n
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The bracketed paste feature of bash/readline and zsh means that you cannot just append a CR or LF to the payload and be done, it’s the user who has to press ENTER for it to run.\n
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However, workarounds exist. For instance, some terminals like mlterm don’t filter out the pasted data, and you can terminate the pasting mode early by inserting a `e201~` in the payload.\n
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For bash, you can take advantage of some quirks in the readline library to turn off the highlighting and make the payload invisible to the user. E.g.:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">let payload = 'touch ~/LOL-' + Date.now() / 1000;\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">writeXPrimary('n' + payload + 'n'.repeat(100) + ' '.repeat(30)\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">\t+ 'n'.repeat(100))\n
</span>\n
```\n
\n
which will confuse the user with the same screen as when some stray background job had written something to the terminal:\n
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```\n
\n
<span style="color:#323232;">user@...t:~$ : previous unrelated command\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;">user@...t:~$\t<-- paste here\n
</span><span style="color:#323232;"># <-- cursor here, most users will just hit Enter to get a new prompt\n
</span>\n
```\n
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live example of that snippet: [turistu.github.io/firefox/bash-pastejack.html\n
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Just to be clear, I don’t think that either mlterm, bash, nor the shells that don’t do have that bracketed-paste feature are at fault here in any way (and I personally always turn off that misfeature as it badly interferes with my workflow): It’s firefox which should get all the blame for letting random javascript evade its pretended “sandbox” in this way.\n
\n
### About Wayland\n
\n
For firefox running in Wayland, `writeXPrimary()` will only succeed when the firefox window (the main window, not necessarily the tab the code runs in) has the focus. Otherwise the selection will be cleared. At first I assumed that this is something specific to the Wayland protocol, but that turned out to be utterly false; it’s just some quirk, bug or “feature” specific to either firefox itself or GTK.\n
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But I think that’s still bad enough, even if the page should take care to only set the selection when the main window has gained focus.\n
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And of course, all this doesn’t affect the situation where you’re copying and pasting in another firefox tab with a different context, origin, etc; and all the other situations where you don’t appreciate having random javascript you don’t even know about messing with your copy & paste.\n
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===\n
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This is a slightly edited version of [github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/…/pastejack.md](https://github.com/turistu/odds-n-ends/blob/main/firefox/pastejack.md).\n
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I will correct any errors or omissions and also add more info there.
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