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      \n
      [No Stupid Questions](/c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world)\n
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        ICJ case against Israel is I think a way for countries whose voices are being vetoed to be heard.\n
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      > West in my opinion should grow out of their shame about what they did to Jewish people. And start calling out them for the horrors Jewish people are doing.\n
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      Mild disagree. What needs to happen is that the shame has to be about what was done instead of who it was done too.
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    Israel is bullying the west using that shame to get to do what the west does. West let’s it continue more because of greed hiding behind the shame.\n
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      Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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      Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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      Several nations and legal institutions have also classed China’s actions against the Uyghur [as genocidal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#Classification_of_abuses).\n
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      Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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    [www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM)\n
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    1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
    2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
    3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
    4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
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    The world has forgotten about the plight of the Ukrainians and Uyghurs who are peaceful
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      Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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      Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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    [www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM)\n
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    1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
    2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
    3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
    4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
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    The world has forgotten about the plight of the Ukrainians and Uyghurs who are peaceful
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        Several nations and legal institutions have also classed China’s actions against the Uyghur [as genocidal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#Classification_of_abuses).\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      [www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM)\n
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
      2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
      3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
      4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
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    Follow this simple rule for clarity, replace the names and ethnic background of the parties in question with A and B, acknowledge that A and B have historical conflict and are distinct ethnic groups but set aside their cultural characteristics and specifics. Now take the actions of A towards B and compare them to historical examples. Under jurisprudence there can be no a priori exoneration of any group due to historical factors, actors must be judged solely on their actions.\n
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        Several nations and legal institutions have also classed China’s actions against the Uyghur [as genocidal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#Classification_of_abuses).\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      [www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM)\n
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
      2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
      3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
      4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
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      The world has forgotten about the plight of the Ukrainians and Uyghurs who are peaceful
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    Follow this simple rule for clarity, replace the names and ethnic background of the parties in question with A and B, acknowledge that A and B have historical conflict and are distinct ethnic groups but set aside their cultural characteristics and specifics. Now take the actions of A towards B and compare them to historical examples. Under jurisprudence there can be no a priori exoneration of any group due to historical factors, actors must be judged solely on their actions.\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
      2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
      3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
      4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
      5. Israel provides all the food, water, medicine, fuel, etc. that Gazans could possibly want\n
      6. Israel must protect themselves from Hamas which has sworn to destroy it\n
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      The world has forgotten about the plight of the Ukrainians and Uyghurs who are peaceful
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    Follow this simple rule for clarity, replace the names and ethnic background of the parties in question with A and B, acknowledge that A and B have historical conflict and are distinct ethnic groups but set aside their cultural characteristics and specifics. Now take the actions of A towards B and compare them to historical examples. Under jurisprudence there can be no a priori exoneration of any group due to historical factors, actors must be judged solely on their actions.\n
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    The ICC follows "The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part. It does not include political groups or so called “cultural genocide”." And Israel is walking a fine line at the moment by claiming that they are exterminating a political group "Hamas" but their actions towards the civilian population will determine their guilt or innocence in the eyes of history and the international community. The ICC's job is to collect all the facts that we civilians can not, and make a determination based on those facts. If you believe Israel is innocent, you should not worry as the facts will clearly exonerate them and so will history be written.
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      [www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM)\n
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
      2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
      3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
      4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
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      The world has forgotten about the plight of the Ukrainians and Uyghurs who are peaceful
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        Several nations and legal institutions have also classed China’s actions against the Uyghur [as genocidal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#Classification_of_abuses).\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      [www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM)\n
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
      2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
      3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
      4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
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    1. Being victims of genocide does not mean it is impossible to commit genocide\n
    2. Israel is an ICC signatory, and is obligated to follow its rulings\n
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    4. This is just “all Palestinians are hamas”. Straight up racist shit.\n
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    6. Genocide is not self defense. The Palestinian people have a right to exist as well.\n
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        Several nations and legal institutions have also classed China’s actions against the Uyghur [as genocidal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#Classification_of_abuses).\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      [www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939hSvcH0qM)\n
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
      2. There is no “dispute” between Israel and South Africa that the court can rule over, because that would require that they engage with them.\n
      3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
      4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
      5. Israel provides all the food, water, medicine, fuel, etc. that Gazans could possibly want\n
      6. Israel must protect themselves from Hamas which has sworn to destroy it\n
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      The world has forgotten about the plight of the Ukrainians and Uyghurs who are peaceful
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    1. It literally isn’t. Any government, including the Israeli government, is capable of being genocidal.\n
    2. That who engage with whom?\n
    3. If you don’t think the opinions of government ministers up to and including the PM have any weight on current or future policy, then I admire your ability to ignore reality.\n
    4. Can you provide verified, independent proof that that is true?\n
    5. You’re right. Why would any country want to make/farm/produce their own food? They should just shut up and be grateful, right?\n
    6. No argument there. Sadly, the IDF, on the orders of the Israeli government, seem either unable or unwilling to differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians.
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        Several nations and legal institutions have also classed China’s actions against the Uyghur [as genocidal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#Classification_of_abuses).\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
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      3. “Random quotes” of people like the Israeli Prime Minister, Secretary of Defense, and Knesset members mean nothing, it is not policy\n
      4. Hamas is in literally every home and hospital, in every humanitarian zone and aid vehicle, and embedded in every facility of civilian infrastructure\n
      5. Israel provides all the food, water, medicine, fuel, etc. that Gazans could possibly want\n
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    1. It literally isn’t. Any government, including the Israeli government, is capable of being genocidal.\n
    2. That who engage with whom?\n
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    4. Can you provide verified, independent proof that that is true?\n
    5. You’re right. Why would any country want to make/farm/produce their own food? They should just shut up and be grateful, right?\n
    6. No argument there. Sadly, the IDF, on the orders of the Israeli government, seem either unable or unwilling to differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians.
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        Lots of [people and countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) *are* claiming Russia is committing genocide and are investigating that possibility.\n
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        However, as far as I’m aware neither Russia or China are signed up to the ICC so there’s not much point in using that body to penalise them.\n
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        Israel is though and your claim there’s no proof is literally true (in the sense you used the word ‘proof’) but there is plenty of *evidence* that Israel certainly has genocide very much in the forefront of their minds when members of the Israeli government suggest nuking Gaza, or creating ‘no go’ areas for Palestinians in recognised Palestinian areas that just so happen to be where Palestinian farmers grow and harvest food. Israeli historian of the Holocaust Omer Bartov [warned that](https://web.archive.org/web/20231218055737/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html) statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
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      1. Israelis are the real victims of genocide in this conflict, as is literally the only possible relation between genocide and Israel\n
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    1. It literally isn’t. Any government, including the Israeli government, is capable of being genocidal.\n
    2. That who engage with whom?\n
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    4. Can you provide verified, independent proof that that is true?\n
    5. You’re right. Why would any country want to make/farm/produce their own food? They should just shut up and be grateful, right?\n
    6. No argument there. Sadly, the IDF, on the orders of the Israeli government, seem either unable or unwilling to differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians.
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        Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.\n
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        World is dependent on China for manufacturing\n
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      After Russia started the invasion and started stealing children they were already isolated economically so why not bring the court case? They have an arrest warrant out for Putin but that appears different than the claim of “genocide” in regards to Israel.\n
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    Russia doesn’t recognise the court\n
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          Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.\n
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          World is dependent on China for manufacturing\n
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      Russia doesn’t recognise the court\n
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          Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.\n
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      Russia doesn’t recognise the court\n
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      [reddit.com/…/countries_where_the_international_cr…](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1424ao/countries_where_the_international_criminal_court/)\n
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          Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.\n
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          World is dependent on China for manufacturing\n
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        After Russia started the invasion and started stealing children they were already isolated economically so why not bring the court case? They have an arrest warrant out for Putin but that appears different than the claim of “genocide” in regards to Israel.\n
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      Russia doesn’t recognise the court\n
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      [reddit.com/…/countries_where_the_international_cr…](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1424ao/countries_where_the_international_criminal_court/)\n
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      They aren’t a member and so won’t show up. So you would have to try them in absence and then even if someone is found guilty what next? Same issue as above. You’ve already done the punishment (Sanctions).\n
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            Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.\n
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            World is dependent on China for manufacturing\n
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            When the punishment for countries is economic (As no one would dare go to war with a Nuclear power) and you depend on their economy you don’t need have much to gain do you? Just ruins everything. You could go for specific people I guess but their countries will just ignore it.\n
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            Then the obvious. It’s all political theatre and no one actually cares about genocide.
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          After Russia started the invasion and started stealing children they were already isolated economically so why not bring the court case? They have an arrest warrant out for Putin but that appears different than the claim of “genocide” in regards to Israel.\n
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          China did not do anything after the UN report on Xinjiang came out, and many countries have already passed resolutions declaring the detention and sterilization of Uyghurs as genocide, but the ICC didn’t hear a case.
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        Russia doesn’t recognise the court\n
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        [reddit.com/…/countries_where_the_international_cr…](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1424ao/countries_where_the_international_criminal_court/)\n
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        They aren’t a member and so won’t show up. So you would have to try them in absence and then even if someone is found guilty what next? Same issue as above. You’ve already done the punishment (Sanctions).\n
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    I think most countries that support Ukrainian have already said as much. China and Russia will vote down anything in the UN as two permanent members of the security council.\n
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    Because after surviving the Holocaust the state of Israel was formed by expulsion of natives, colonialism, war and, possibly, genocide.\n
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    [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes)[en.wikipedia.org/…/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight)\n
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    I would recommend starting with the history of Israel from the First World War and going chronologically. It is a messy conflict with stupid numbers of massacres and atrocities by the PLO, Israeli government and both of their predecessors.\n
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    Long story short though. Israel and the PLO have, with certainty, committed various “war crimes” in the past. As Israel won the war(s) the loser of those wars can very easily claim Genocide. If it was the other way around with the PLO winning the wars then we would see the reverse right now.\n
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            Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.\n
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            World is dependent on China for manufacturing\n
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            When the punishment for countries is economic (As no one would dare go to war with a Nuclear power) and you depend on their economy you don’t need have much to gain do you? Just ruins everything. You could go for specific people I guess but their countries will just ignore it.\n
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            Israel is/pretends to be normal with most of the world. So will probably actually do stuff if they lose.\n
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            Then the obvious. It’s all political theatre and no one actually cares about genocide.
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          After Russia started the invasion and started stealing children they were already isolated economically so why not bring the court case? They have an arrest warrant out for Putin but that appears different than the claim of “genocide” in regards to Israel.\n
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          China did not do anything after the UN report on Xinjiang came out, and many countries have already passed resolutions declaring the detention and sterilization of Uyghurs as genocide, but the ICC didn’t hear a case.
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        Russia doesn’t recognise the court\n
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        [reddit.com/…/countries_where_the_international_cr…](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1424ao/countries_where_the_international_criminal_court/)\n
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        They aren’t a member and so won’t show up. So you would have to try them in absence and then even if someone is found guilty what next? Same issue as above. You’ve already done the punishment (Sanctions).\n
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        Anything else would just be Political Posturing (Same as the warrant for Putin)
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    I think most countries that support Ukrainian have already said as much. China and Russia will vote down anything in the UN as two permanent members of the security council.\n
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    Because after surviving the Holocaust the state of Israel was formed by expulsion of natives, colonialism, war and, possibly, genocide.\n
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    [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes)[en.wikipedia.org/…/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight)\n
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    Long story short though. Israel and the PLO have, with certainty, committed various “war crimes” in the past. As Israel won the war(s) the loser of those wars can very easily claim Genocide. If it was the other way around with the PLO winning the wars then we would see the reverse right now.\n
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            Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.\n
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            World is dependent on China for manufacturing\n
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            When the punishment for countries is economic (As no one would dare go to war with a Nuclear power) and you depend on their economy you don’t need have much to gain do you? Just ruins everything. You could go for specific people I guess but their countries will just ignore it.\n
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            Israel is/pretends to be normal with most of the world. So will probably actually do stuff if they lose.\n
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            Then the obvious. It’s all political theatre and no one actually cares about genocide.
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          After Russia started the invasion and started stealing children they were already isolated economically so why not bring the court case? They have an arrest warrant out for Putin but that appears different than the claim of “genocide” in regards to Israel.\n
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          China did not do anything after the UN report on Xinjiang came out, and many countries have already passed resolutions declaring the detention and sterilization of Uyghurs as genocide, but the ICC didn’t hear a case.
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        Russia doesn’t recognise the court\n
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        [reddit.com/…/countries_where_the_international_cr…](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1424ao/countries_where_the_international_criminal_court/)\n
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        They aren’t a member and so won’t show up. So you would have to try them in absence and then even if someone is found guilty what next? Same issue as above. You’ve already done the punishment (Sanctions).\n
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        Anything else would just be Political Posturing (Same as the warrant for Putin)
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    I think most countries that support Ukrainian have already said as much. China and Russia will vote down anything in the UN as two permanent members of the security council.\n
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    Because after surviving the Holocaust the state of Israel was formed by expulsion of natives, colonialism, war and, possibly, genocide.\n
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    [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes)[en.wikipedia.org/…/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight)\n
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    I would recommend starting with the history of Israel from the First World War and going chronologically. It is a messy conflict with stupid numbers of massacres and atrocities by the PLO, Israeli government and both of their predecessors.\n
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    Long story short though. Israel and the PLO have, with certainty, committed various “war crimes” in the past. As Israel won the war(s) the loser of those wars can very easily claim Genocide. If it was the other way around with the PLO winning the wars then we would see the reverse right now.\n
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