GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@krellor@beehaw.org/hot

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
45.03 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.06 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2364 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1683 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1739 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2018 …}
  +slug: "Why-Vegan-Desserts-Are-the-Best-They-ve-Ever-Been"
  +title: "Why Vegan Desserts Are the Best They’ve Ever Been"
  +url: "https://www.eater.com/23923061/vegan-desserts-pastry-innovation-tourlami-butter-cronut"
  +body: null
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 11
  +favouriteCount: 26
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1698243666 {#1730
    date: 2023-10-25 16:21:06.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2022 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1362 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2026 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2081 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2082 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2093 …}
  +children: [
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1702
      +user: App\Entity\User {#259 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1683 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1687 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1680 …}
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      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 3
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1698090494 {#1596
        date: 2023-10-23 21:48:14.0 +02:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@alyaza@beehaw.org"
        "@deegeese@sopuli.xyz"
        "@bitsplease@lemmy.ml"
        "@Domiku@beehaw.org"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1689 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1691 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1795 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1711 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1611 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1630 …}
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://beehaw.org/comment/1465015"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698090494 {#1619
        date: 2023-10-23 21:48:14.0 +02:00
      }
      +"title": 67926
    }
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1683 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        I’ve been vegetarian for 22 years or so now, and the recent uptick in vegan food reminds me of the early years of being vegetarian. When I first started there were very few options to eat out where I lived (more rural area didn’t help) and not even a lot of good grocery options. Eventually places started offering in house attempts at vegetarian mains, which led to wildly variable quality, and eventually we saw some standardization across restaurants. It’s rare now to get a vegetarian dish at a restaurant that is terrible.\n
        \n
        The article mentions mass market vegan butter being pursued, which makes me hopeful that restaurants will start introducing more vegan meals, and upping their game on that front. The more options for people the better, and as much as the article romanticizes the boutique shops with their in house versions, that isn’t achievable for most restaurants who would otherwise tuck one or two options into their menu.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 4
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1698096287 {#1628
        date: 2023-10-23 23:24:47.0 +02:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@alyaza@beehaw.org"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1618 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1597 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1731 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1723 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1721 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1728 …}
      -id: 67947
      -bodyTs: "'22':6 'achiev':149 'across':79 'area':44 'articl':97,136 'attempt':63 'better':130 'boutiqu':139 'butter':102 'didn':45 'dish':89 'earli':22 'eat':37 'even':50 'eventu':57,74 'first':29 'food':17 'front':123 'game':120 'get':86 'good':54 'groceri':55 'help':47 'hope':108 'hous':62,144 'introduc':113 'isn':147 'led':68 'live':41 'lot':52 'main':66 'make':106 'market':100 'mass':99 'meal':116 'mention':98 'menu':163 'much':133 'offer':60 'one':157 'option':35,56,126,160 'otherwis':155 'peopl':128 'place':58 'pursu':104 'qualiti':72 'rare':83 'recent':13 'remind':18 'restaur':80,92,110,152 'romantic':137 'rural':43 'saw':76 'shop':140 'standard':78 'start':30,59,112 'terribl':95 'tuck':156 'two':159 'up':118 'uptick':14 'variabl':71 've':2 'vegan':16,101,115 'vegetarian':4,26,65,88 'version':145 'wild':70 'would':154 'year':7,23"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://beehaw.org/comment/1465062"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698090937 {#1626
        date: 2023-10-23 21:55:37.0 +02:00
      }
      +"title": 67947
    }
  ]
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  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1698165832
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://beehaw.org/post/8964662"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698079432 {#2361
    date: 2023-10-23 18:43:52.0 +02:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1683 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1739 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2018 …}
  +slug: "Why-Vegan-Desserts-Are-the-Best-They-ve-Ever-Been"
  +title: "Why Vegan Desserts Are the Best They’ve Ever Been"
  +url: "https://www.eater.com/23923061/vegan-desserts-pastry-innovation-tourlami-butter-cronut"
  +body: null
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 11
  +favouriteCount: 26
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1698243666 {#1730
    date: 2023-10-25 16:21:06.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2022 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1362 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2026 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2081 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2082 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2093 …}
  +children: [
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1702
      +user: App\Entity\User {#259 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1683 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1687 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1680 …}
      +body: "I would say it depends on what you are making. Some home vegan baked goods are a fair bit of extra effort to get just right. But honestly, things like croissants are always a pain, which is why I eat them when I got out, versus muffins which I make at home."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 3
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1698090494 {#1596
        date: 2023-10-23 21:48:14.0 +02:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@alyaza@beehaw.org"
        "@deegeese@sopuli.xyz"
        "@bitsplease@lemmy.ml"
        "@Domiku@beehaw.org"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1689 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1691 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1795 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1711 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1611 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1630 …}
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://beehaw.org/comment/1465015"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698090494 {#1619
        date: 2023-10-23 21:48:14.0 +02:00
      }
      +"title": 67926
    }
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1683 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        I’ve been vegetarian for 22 years or so now, and the recent uptick in vegan food reminds me of the early years of being vegetarian. When I first started there were very few options to eat out where I lived (more rural area didn’t help) and not even a lot of good grocery options. Eventually places started offering in house attempts at vegetarian mains, which led to wildly variable quality, and eventually we saw some standardization across restaurants. It’s rare now to get a vegetarian dish at a restaurant that is terrible.\n
        \n
        The article mentions mass market vegan butter being pursued, which makes me hopeful that restaurants will start introducing more vegan meals, and upping their game on that front. The more options for people the better, and as much as the article romanticizes the boutique shops with their in house versions, that isn’t achievable for most restaurants who would otherwise tuck one or two options into their menu.
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      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 4
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1698096287 {#1628
        date: 2023-10-23 23:24:47.0 +02:00
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      +tags: null
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        "@alyaza@beehaw.org"
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      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1618 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1597 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1731 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1723 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1721 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1728 …}
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  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698079432 {#2361
    date: 2023-10-23 18:43:52.0 +02:00
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}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1683 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1739 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2018 …}
  +slug: "Why-Vegan-Desserts-Are-the-Best-They-ve-Ever-Been"
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  +body: null
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 11
  +favouriteCount: 26
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1698243666 {#1730
    date: 2023-10-25 16:21:06.0 +02:00
  }
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  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
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  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1362 …}
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  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2081 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2082 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2093 …}
  +children: [
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1701 …2}
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      +image: null
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      +score: 0
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        date: 2023-10-23 21:48:14.0 +02:00
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        I don’t think articulating a concern for any civilians on any side is taken poorly, and I don’t think that the majority of the media has skewed any calls for humanitarian aid and adherance to international warfare rules as anti-semitism. In fact, the new york times has published both investigative and opinion pieces that are very sympathetic to Palestinian civilians, and calling out Israeli disproportionate response.\n
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    To add on to your point, you publicly support allies while having private conversations counseling them on prudent courses of action. They don’t listen to you if you call them out publicly, which is usually a sign that privately articulated red lines have been crossed. I’m sure Biden is pressing them privately to have a more measured response, and is likely to have more traction than if he was publicly trashing them.\n
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          I don’t think articulating a concern for any civilians on any side is taken poorly, and I don’t think that the majority of the media has skewed any calls for humanitarian aid and adherance to international warfare rules as anti-semitism. In fact, the new york times has published both investigative and opinion pieces that are very sympathetic to Palestinian civilians, and calling out Israeli disproportionate response.\n
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          - 1948 founding of Israel by the UN at the end of the British mandate.\n
          - the invasion of the five armies and the 1949 armistice.\n
          - the six day war, and the loss of the Sinai peninsula.\n
          - the eventual recognition of borders by Egypt and Jordan.\n
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