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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
\n
I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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[Nate’s Original Blog Post](https://pointieststick.com/2023/12/26/does-wayland-really-break-everything/)
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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> we’re talking about standalone desktop apps, they need some common building blocks no matter if they’re containerized or not, right?\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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> Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.\n
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> “In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”\n
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Really glad probonopd is doing this, X11 is dying but wayland isnt ready to replace it, so it’s nice to have this\n
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EDIT, paste didn’t work [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols)
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+body: "woops my bad, I mean to link this [github.com/…/wayland-x11-compat-protocols](https://github.com/probonopd/wayland-x11-compat-protocols) it’s a repo of going to be protocols, to fill in the gap instead of pretending the issue doesn’t exist"
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I did and quite frankly it’s trash, XDG portals are a clunky and quite frankly terrible and poorly thought out api. I’m not the only one that disagrees with this sentiment as multiple people are trying to get protocols like `ext-screencopy-v1` for screen recording and `ext-foreign-toplevel-*` for window management upstreamed into wayland so that xdg portals aren’t necessary for these use cases. I don’t mind the reliance on pipewire too much, but I too think that It shouldn’t be necessary for screen capture.\n
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IMO It is one of nate’s worst takes of all time if not the worst. Usually I agree with most things he writes, but not this, xdg-portals is a travesty, pipewire is nice and all, but I don’t see why we should need an entire media system for basic screen capture capabilities. and clearly im not alone on this sentiment
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I have a couple of issues with portals. One is that we’re putting too much eggs in the basket of something that is designed for containers. XDG portals Have rejected features that people have requested because they don’t want to expose that functionality to a container and they are allergic to permission prompts apparently.\n
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I also have other issues with the portals for instance video capture. It requires you to have a camera portal. It requires you to have a desktop capture portal. It also requires you to have an app to app, video, portal, which doesn’t exist yet. All of these things require pipewire pretty much in most cases, so why can’t we just have a single pipewire portal? It may not scale well in the future, but it doesn’t scale well now anyways. If you want just a generic pipe wire stream, you’re not gonna be able to have it, you’re going to have to conform to one of the standards anyways. For a case in point example, the OBS pull request for Game Scope Capture is the perfect example of this over reliance in XDG portals.\n
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I’m showcasing this just to highlight the fact that the XDG portals are incredibly poorly thought out, and I don’t think that it’s a reliable method for the future going forwards.\n
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PS. Please pardon any oddities in this, I had to use speech to text, since my RSI is acting up.
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> I think having separate standard APIs for screenshots, screen capture, and video capture that aren’t married to one implementation makes sense.\n
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The idea of a using a separate thing for it is fine, in itself, but necessitating it is an issue to me. There are a LOT of wayland compositors now, for all sorts of systems, each one also new needs a compatible xdg portals implementation (or whatever third party tool you like), in the case of xdg portals this also means pulling in things like dbus. It actually becomes a lot to build a “Minimal but fledged out” ecosystem. something which should otherwise be possible.\n
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sure but then you have xdg-portals denying actually useful a11y protocols because they “don’t want to expose it to containers” -_- apparently they never heard of a permissions system? but this also highlights why the wayland ecosystem right now is so poor for select individuals (and why they get heated when told that they need to swap to wayland)
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</span><span style="color:#323232;">+or are similar between earlier platforms (hence we start with SDVs).\n
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</span><span style="color:#323232;">+Newer platforms will be supported later, but we hope that enabling will be\n
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</span>\n
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</span><span style="color:#323232;">+SR-IOV Platforms\n
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Hi, lets talk about 2in1 laptops and tablets. Which ones are the best for running linux on them, which ones are your favorites right now, what do you like using them for, etc. I find myself really missing having a 2in1 sometimes, especially for the portability aspects of them.\n
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I myself am currently using a Chuwi Hi10X. I don’t have too many major complaints about it other than its quite underpowered. It does perform decently well until you need something graphics related then just kinda sucks. However I can use Firefox with it without any major gripes aisde from video playback, then I need to use chromium.\n
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Does anyone use it? [plasma-bigscreen.org](https://plasma-bigscreen.org/)\n
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Can you install it on a running system or do you have to install it on metal to test it?
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