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    > You most definitely did jump to a bunch of false conclusions about me and my motivation in my comment.\n
    \n
    Well, you know. Maybe I’ve read a bit much between the lines. But I think your last comment just wasn’t completely in the best of faith. I’ve read paragraph per paragraph and once I’ve read a bit further (after formulating an answer to that specific point), I see some sort of excuse of how your really don’t suggest the best stuff. I must say: I felt a little bit like you tried to insult me just a teeensy bit, by taking back some of the things you wrote two paragraphs before. And I feel a bit bullshitted if someone replies to me like that.\n
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    > Both mind-reading and jumping to conclusions are cognitive distortions which you are guilty of committing here.\n
    \n
    Could you *please* talk like a human being? Who talks like that? [Get on with it!](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=sXE8LdXzeHM)\n
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    > Is this not a discussion forum? I was trying to have a discussion about what you were saying.\n
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    Yeah, well it’s less about what you say in the discussion, but more the way how you say it. I feel like you’re a bit … sketchy with how you throw your horrible arguments and excuse them two paragraphs later. Let’s say, I had to jump to conclusions, because you said some seriously *bad* stuff and I had to stumble a bit during your text. So *please* talk like a human being? Please remember that english is *not* my first language and I’m not the best at communicating by text in my second language.\n
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    > You shouldn’t be so hostile or personally offended by simple conversation.\n
    \n
    Didn’t feel like “simple conversation”. More like "debate bro says some heinous shit and tries to get away with it " vibes. Maybe I’m not the one at fault here by being *illogical*, but rather someone in this conversation has said some a bit… right-wing stuff.\n
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    > Nope, just more unfounded conclusions you are jumping to.\n
    \n
    They’re not unfounded. Please stop speaking so condescendingly. You’re seeming a bit like a dick. That’s what I was talking about.\n
    \n
    > And I’m not “dunking” on Christianity. It was just an example. You’re misframing me as an anti-theist, which I’m not.\n
    \n
    Why did you bring it up in the first place?\n
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    > Finally, you are incorrect about science being a justification for cruelty. Whether it’s the Tuskegee Experiment, animal experimentation, or Nazi experiments; science was not the means of justification.\n
    \n
    Whoooo boy. Your first actual *point* it it *sure* is… a *doozy*. Where shall I begin?\n
    \n
    > Finally, you are incorrect about science being a justification for cruelty.\n
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    That’s one hell of a statement you make there. Surely, you can’t mean that in *no point in history*, science has *ever* been the justification for carrying out heinous acts. *[(in the business, we call this…)](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=xc1WMaTvSik)*\n
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    > Whether it’s the Tuskegee Experiment, animal experimentation, or Nazi experiments\n
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    Where are you getting these examples from? Why are you talking like you’ve made any point to disprove *any* of my statements by naming these random examples? I’m afraid you’re not getting my point? In what way would I have claimed anything about these racist/speciesist practices? And then you claim that…\n
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    > science was not the means of justification.\n
    \n
    Yes, you are correct. The name of science is never to blame for these things… [or is it?](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=KF8wlNegMas)\n
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    Tuskegee, animals, Nazi experiments. Why do you mash two human and one animal examples together? We were talking about humans, were we not? Why would you compare a human to an animal? Except… “Race” scientists have been claiming for centuries that africans (or less aryan peoples) are inferior to the human race. There are science books still used in education today claiming that black people have a higher pain threshold and other stuff in which the “science of the time” justified why some people can be treated like animals… or slaves. Mengele was standing on the shoulders of race science when he thought that it is ok to torture non-aryans. He was not a lunatic. He was a respected physician for the time, contributing to science. … and **today** we know, he was a monster. But he, as well as the people running the Tuskegee Experiment were raised on the “scientific discovery”, that non-white people are not human, justified for slave trade. You can even go into the origins of science in the west: In ancient rome or greece. They were f-cking *slave* cultures. You can’t have a *slave culture* and reach that level of “civilisation” without some sort of scientists trying to justify, why we have to mistrust our intrinsic instict to treat our brothers and sisters with respect and instead bind them as a slave. That was the science of the day, my friend.\n
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    So, you were saying that science didn’t justify racism? Like… **ever**?\n
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    > Even if someone argues that the ends justify the means, that is a philosophical argument; not a scientific one.\n
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    Who are you talking to? Are you answering your own points just after you made them, again?\n
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    > For instance, utilitarianism is often the basis for justifying immoral experimentation.\n
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    *Will this be in the test, professor?* /s Who the question that made you answer *that*?\n
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    > Ethics is a branch of philosophy, even when pertaining to science.\n
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    Yeah… guess, which societal institution used to be *the one* who almost *exclusively* was concerned about philosophy and ethics for the last say… about 4 millenia? Starts with an “r”. Historical context is important.\n
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    Edit: Sent too soon… still editing… Edit2: Done
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    > You most definitely did jump to a bunch of false conclusions about me and my motivation in my comment.\n
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    Well, you know. Maybe I’ve read a bit much between the lines. But I think your last comment just wasn’t completely in the best of faith. I’ve read paragraph per paragraph and once I’ve read a bit further (after formulating an answer to that specific point), I see some sort of excuse of how your really don’t suggest the best stuff. I must say: I felt a little bit like you tried to insult me just a teeensy bit, by taking back some of the things you wrote two paragraphs before. And I feel a bit bullshitted if someone replies to me like that.\n
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    > Both mind-reading and jumping to conclusions are cognitive distortions which you are guilty of committing here.\n
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    Could you *please* talk like a human being? Who talks like that? [Get on with it!](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=sXE8LdXzeHM)\n
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    > Is this not a discussion forum? I was trying to have a discussion about what you were saying.\n
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    Yeah, well it’s less about what you say in the discussion, but more the way how you say it. I feel like you’re a bit … sketchy with how you throw your horrible arguments and excuse them two paragraphs later. Let’s say, I had to jump to conclusions, because you said some seriously *bad* stuff and I had to stumble a bit during your text. So *please* talk like a human being? Please remember that english is *not* my first language and I’m not the best at communicating by text in my second language.\n
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    > You shouldn’t be so hostile or personally offended by simple conversation.\n
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    Didn’t feel like “simple conversation”. More like "debate bro says some heinous shit and tries to get away with it " vibes. Maybe I’m not the one at fault here by being *illogical*, but rather someone in this conversation has said some a bit… right-wing stuff.\n
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    > Nope, just more unfounded conclusions you are jumping to.\n
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    They’re not unfounded. Please stop speaking so condescendingly. You’re seeming a bit like a dick. That’s what I was talking about.\n
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    > And I’m not “dunking” on Christianity. It was just an example. You’re misframing me as an anti-theist, which I’m not.\n
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    Why did you bring it up in the first place?\n
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    > Finally, you are incorrect about science being a justification for cruelty. Whether it’s the Tuskegee Experiment, animal experimentation, or Nazi experiments; science was not the means of justification.\n
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    Whoooo boy. Your first actual *point* it it *sure* is… a *doozy*. Where shall I begin?\n
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    > Finally, you are incorrect about science being a justification for cruelty.\n
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    That’s one hell of a statement you make there. Surely, you can’t mean that in *no point in history*, science has *ever* been the justification for carrying out heinous acts. *[(in the business, we call this…)](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=xc1WMaTvSik)*\n
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    > Whether it’s the Tuskegee Experiment, animal experimentation, or Nazi experiments\n
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    Where are you getting these examples from? Why are you talking like you’ve made any point to disprove *any* of my statements by naming these random examples? I’m afraid you’re not getting my point? In what way would I have claimed anything about these racist/speciesist practices? And then you claim that…\n
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    > science was not the means of justification.\n
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    Yes, you are correct. The name of science is never to blame for these things… [or is it?](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=KF8wlNegMas)\n
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    Tuskegee, animals, Nazi experiments. Why do you mash two human and one animal examples together? We were talking about humans, were we not? Why would you compare a human to an animal? Except… “Race” scientists have been claiming for centuries that africans (or less aryan peoples) are inferior to the human race. There are science books still used in education today claiming that black people have a higher pain threshold and other stuff in which the “science of the time” justified why some people can be treated like animals… or slaves. Mengele was standing on the shoulders of race science when he thought that it is ok to torture non-aryans. He was not a lunatic. He was a respected physician for the time, contributing to science. … and **today** we know, he was a monster. But he, as well as the people running the Tuskegee Experiment were raised on the “scientific discovery”, that non-white people are not human, justified for slave trade. You can even go into the origins of science in the west: In ancient rome or greece. They were f-cking *slave* cultures. You can’t have a *slave culture* and reach that level of “civilisation” without some sort of scientists trying to justify, why we have to mistrust our intrinsic instict to treat our brothers and sisters with respect and instead bind them as a slave. That was the science of the day, my friend.\n
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    So, you were saying that science didn’t justify racism? Like… **ever**?\n
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    > Even if someone argues that the ends justify the means, that is a philosophical argument; not a scientific one.\n
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    Who are you talking to? Are you answering your own points just after you made them, again?\n
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    > For instance, utilitarianism is often the basis for justifying immoral experimentation.\n
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    *Will this be in the test, professor?* /s Who the question that made you answer *that*?\n
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    > Ethics is a branch of philosophy, even when pertaining to science.\n
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    Yeah… guess, which societal institution used to be *the one* who almost *exclusively* was concerned about philosophy and ethics for the last say… about 4 millenia? Starts with an “r”. Historical context is important.\n
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    Edit: Sent too soon… still editing… Edit2: Done
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    Well, you know. Maybe I’ve read a bit much between the lines. But I think your last comment just wasn’t completely in the best of faith. I’ve read paragraph per paragraph and once I’ve read a bit further (after formulating an answer to that specific point), I see some sort of excuse of how your really don’t suggest the best stuff. I must say: I felt a little bit like you tried to insult me just a teeensy bit, by taking back some of the things you wrote two paragraphs before. And I feel a bit bullshitted if someone replies to me like that.\n
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    > You shouldn’t be so hostile or personally offended by simple conversation.\n
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    Didn’t feel like “simple conversation”. More like "debate bro says some heinous shit and tries to get away with it " vibes. Maybe I’m not the one at fault here by being *illogical*, but rather someone in this conversation has said some a bit… right-wing stuff.\n
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    > Finally, you are incorrect about science being a justification for cruelty. Whether it’s the Tuskegee Experiment, animal experimentation, or Nazi experiments; science was not the means of justification.\n
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    Whoooo boy. Your first actual *point* it it *sure* is… a *doozy*. Where shall I begin?\n
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    > Finally, you are incorrect about science being a justification for cruelty.\n
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    That’s one hell of a statement you make there. Surely, you can’t mean that in *no point in history*, science has *ever* been the justification for carrying out heinous acts. *[(in the business, we call this…)](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=xc1WMaTvSik)*\n
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    > Whether it’s the Tuskegee Experiment, animal experimentation, or Nazi experiments\n
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    Where are you getting these examples from? Why are you talking like you’ve made any point to disprove *any* of my statements by naming these random examples? I’m afraid you’re not getting my point? In what way would I have claimed anything about these racist/speciesist practices? And then you claim that…\n
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    Yes, you are correct. The name of science is never to blame for these things… [or is it?](https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=KF8wlNegMas)\n
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    Tuskegee, animals, Nazi experiments. Why do you mash two human and one animal examples together? We were talking about humans, were we not? Why would you compare a human to an animal? Except… “Race” scientists have been claiming for centuries that africans (or less aryan peoples) are inferior to the human race. There are science books still used in education today claiming that black people have a higher pain threshold and other stuff in which the “science of the time” justified why some people can be treated like animals… or slaves. Mengele was standing on the shoulders of race science when he thought that it is ok to torture non-aryans. He was not a lunatic. He was a respected physician for the time, contributing to science. … and **today** we know, he was a monster. But he, as well as the people running the Tuskegee Experiment were raised on the “scientific discovery”, that non-white people are not human, justified for slave trade. You can even go into the origins of science in the west: In ancient rome or greece. They were f-cking *slave* cultures. You can’t have a *slave culture* and reach that level of “civilisation” without some sort of scientists trying to justify, why we have to mistrust our intrinsic instict to treat our brothers and sisters with respect and instead bind them as a slave. That was the science of the day, my friend.\n
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    So, you were saying that science didn’t justify racism? Like… **ever**?\n
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    > Even if someone argues that the ends justify the means, that is a philosophical argument; not a scientific one.\n
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    Who are you talking to? Are you answering your own points just after you made them, again?\n
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    > For instance, utilitarianism is often the basis for justifying immoral experimentation.\n
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    *Will this be in the test, professor?* /s Who the question that made you answer *that*?\n
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    > Ethics is a branch of philosophy, even when pertaining to science.\n
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    Yeah… guess, which societal institution used to be *the one* who almost *exclusively* was concerned about philosophy and ethics for the last say… about 4 millenia? Starts with an “r”. Historical context is important.\n
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