GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@jadero@mander.xyz/active/2023-11-08::2023-11-08

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.136
Profiled on
Token
3d842d

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.65 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.03 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2383 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2041 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2113 …}
  +slug: "bro-pls"
  +title: "bro pls"
  +url: "https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/301e6fb5-0cd0-44aa-8ab0-657e28f83c0a.webp"
  +body: null
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 289
  +favouriteCount: 1736
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1700713718 {#1737
    date: 2023-11-23 05:28:38.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2121 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2114 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2228 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2230 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2320 …}
  +children: [
    2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1595
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
      +body: """
        Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any advance that didn’t at some point depend on people just dicking around to see what they could see.\n
        \n
        “What happens if we spin this stick really really fast against this other stick?”\n
        \n
        “Cool! What happens if we put some dried moss around it?”\n
        \n
        “That’s nuts, man! Hey, I wonder what happens if we toss some of our leftovers in there?”\n
        \n
        “C’mon over here, guys. You gotta taste this!”\n
        \n
        At worst, a project like this keeps a lot of curious people in one place where we can make sure they don’t cause harm with their explorations. At best, whole new industries are founded. Never forget that modern electronics would never have existed without Einstein and Bohr arguing over the behaviour of subatomic particles.\n
        \n
        Say the actual construction cost is $100 billion over 10 years and operational costs are $1 billion a year. Compared to all the stupid and useless stuff we already spend money on, that’s little more than pocket lint. We could extract that much from the spending of one military alliance and it would look like a rounding error. Hell, we could add one cent to the price of each litre of [soft drinks](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/soda-consumption-by-country), alcoholic beverages, and bottled water and have money left over.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 11
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699454265 {#1430
        date: 2023-11-08 15:37:45.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@fossilesque@mander.xyz"
        "@nicetriangle@kbin.social"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1654 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1671 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1667 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1670 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1576 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1585 …}
      -id: 101743
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/4959905"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699454265 {#1429
        date: 2023-11-08 15:37:45.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 101743
    }
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1548
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1550 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
      +body: """
        Yes, with finite resources, we have to make choices. As long as there are some resources for people to just poke around, I’m good with whatever. If we’re actually looking for some place to drop a few billion, I actually don’t think another collider should be on the list, let alone at the top.\n
        \n
        The problem as I see it is that “but what good is it” is used to limit pretty much all fundamental research.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 3
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699459244 {#1579
        date: 2023-11-08 17:00:44.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@fossilesque@mander.xyz"
        "@nicetriangle@kbin.social"
        "@jadero@mander.xyz"
        "@Sodis@feddit.de"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1561 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1564 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1563 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1565 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1558 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1557 …}
      -id: 101947
      -bodyTs: "'actual':31,42 'alon':54 'anoth':46 'around':22 'billion':40 'choic':9 'collid':47 'drop':37 'finit':3 'fundament':78 'good':25,68 'let':53 'limit':74 'list':52 'long':11 'look':32 'm':24 'make':8 'much':76 'peopl':18 'place':35 'poke':21 'pretti':75 'problem':59 're':30 'research':79 'resourc':4,16 'see':62 'think':45 'top':57 'use':72 'whatev':27 'yes':1"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/4961928"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699459244 {#1559
        date: 2023-11-08 17:00:44.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 101947
    }
    0 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1604
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1596 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
      +body: """
        I also think there are better places to put this kind of money, including on projects that we are certain have obvious potential to change the world for the better.\n
        \n
        What I was getting at was the very idea that we absolutely have to know what the return is before we start. Just because we know the potential return doesn’t mean that it’s not research (as in your fusion example), but just because we can’t identify a return ahead of time doesn’t mean there won’t be one.\n
        \n
        Also, I don’t know if there have been any tangible benefits from the LHC. Precision manufacturing? Improvements in large-scale, multi-jurisdiction project management? Data analytics techniques? More efficient superconducting magnets? I don’t know if those are actual side effects of the project and, if they are, I don’t know that the LHC was the only way to get them.\n
        \n
        Edit: or, like the quantum physics underlying our electronics, maybe we won’t know for 50-100 years just how important that proof was.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 4
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699460167 {#1621
        date: 2023-11-08 17:16:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@fossilesque@mander.xyz"
        "@nicetriangle@kbin.social"
        "@jadero@mander.xyz"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1619 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1701 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1687 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1689 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1691 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1795 …}
      -id: 101983
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
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      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/4962282"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699524626 {#1620
        date: 2023-11-09 11:10:26.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699460167 {#1613
        date: 2023-11-08 17:16:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 101983
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  -id: 11140
  -titleTs: "'bro':1 'pls':2"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1699532823
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://mander.xyz/post/5921816"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699446423 {#1709
    date: 2023-11-08 13:27:03.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2041 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2113 …}
  +slug: "bro-pls"
  +title: "bro pls"
  +url: "https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/301e6fb5-0cd0-44aa-8ab0-657e28f83c0a.webp"
  +body: null
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 289
  +favouriteCount: 1736
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1700713718 {#1737
    date: 2023-11-23 05:28:38.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2121 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2114 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2228 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2230 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2320 …}
  +children: [
    2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1595
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
      +body: """
        Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any advance that didn’t at some point depend on people just dicking around to see what they could see.\n
        \n
        “What happens if we spin this stick really really fast against this other stick?”\n
        \n
        “Cool! What happens if we put some dried moss around it?”\n
        \n
        “That’s nuts, man! Hey, I wonder what happens if we toss some of our leftovers in there?”\n
        \n
        “C’mon over here, guys. You gotta taste this!”\n
        \n
        At worst, a project like this keeps a lot of curious people in one place where we can make sure they don’t cause harm with their explorations. At best, whole new industries are founded. Never forget that modern electronics would never have existed without Einstein and Bohr arguing over the behaviour of subatomic particles.\n
        \n
        Say the actual construction cost is $100 billion over 10 years and operational costs are $1 billion a year. Compared to all the stupid and useless stuff we already spend money on, that’s little more than pocket lint. We could extract that much from the spending of one military alliance and it would look like a rounding error. Hell, we could add one cent to the price of each litre of [soft drinks](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/soda-consumption-by-country), alcoholic beverages, and bottled water and have money left over.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 11
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699454265 {#1430
        date: 2023-11-08 15:37:45.0 +01:00
      }
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      +tags: null
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      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1667 …}
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      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/4959905"
      +editedAt: null
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        date: 2023-11-08 15:37:45.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 101743
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
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          Yes, with finite resources, we have to make choices. As long as there are some resources for people to just poke around, I’m good with whatever. If we’re actually looking for some place to drop a few billion, I actually don’t think another collider should be on the list, let alone at the top.\n
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          I also think there are better places to put this kind of money, including on projects that we are certain have obvious potential to change the world for the better.\n
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          What I was getting at was the very idea that we absolutely have to know what the return is before we start. Just because we know the potential return doesn’t mean that it’s not research (as in your fusion example), but just because we can’t identify a return ahead of time doesn’t mean there won’t be one.\n
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    Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any advance that didn’t at some point depend on people just dicking around to see what they could see.\n
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    “What happens if we spin this stick really really fast against this other stick?”\n
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    “Cool! What happens if we put some dried moss around it?”\n
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    At worst, a project like this keeps a lot of curious people in one place where we can make sure they don’t cause harm with their explorations. At best, whole new industries are founded. Never forget that modern electronics would never have existed without Einstein and Bohr arguing over the behaviour of subatomic particles.\n
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    I also think there are better places to put this kind of money, including on projects that we are certain have obvious potential to change the world for the better.\n
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          Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any advance that didn’t at some point depend on people just dicking around to see what they could see.\n
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          “What happens if we spin this stick really really fast against this other stick?”\n
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          “Cool! What happens if we put some dried moss around it?”\n
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          “That’s nuts, man! Hey, I wonder what happens if we toss some of our leftovers in there?”\n
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          “C’mon over here, guys. You gotta taste this!”\n
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          At worst, a project like this keeps a lot of curious people in one place where we can make sure they don’t cause harm with their explorations. At best, whole new industries are founded. Never forget that modern electronics would never have existed without Einstein and Bohr arguing over the behaviour of subatomic particles.\n
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          Say the actual construction cost is $100 billion over 10 years and operational costs are $1 billion a year. Compared to all the stupid and useless stuff we already spend money on, that’s little more than pocket lint. We could extract that much from the spending of one military alliance and it would look like a rounding error. Hell, we could add one cent to the price of each litre of [soft drinks](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/soda-consumption-by-country), alcoholic beverages, and bottled water and have money left over.
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          Yes, with finite resources, we have to make choices. As long as there are some resources for people to just poke around, I’m good with whatever. If we’re actually looking for some place to drop a few billion, I actually don’t think another collider should be on the list, let alone at the top.\n
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