Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
12.17 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.08 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.01 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS DENIED
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
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      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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    \n
    On Debian Unstable, I was already forced to uninstall it in yesterday’s upgrade.  \n
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    \n
    On Arch, this concerns the dhcpd package:  \n
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS DENIED
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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4 DENIED moderate
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      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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    I don’t think so. Dhcpcd + wpa_supplicant is really light, suitable for light installers, and live USB stick images.\n
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          > Neither GNOME nor Plasma depend on NetworkManager, do they?\n
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      I don’t think so. Dhcpcd + wpa_supplicant is really light, suitable for light installers, and live USB stick images.\n
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              > If you’re using network-manager, you don’t need to worry, since it includes its own dhcp client, but for others, this might be relevant.\n
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          > Neither GNOME nor Plasma depend on NetworkManager, do they?\n
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      I don’t think so. Dhcpcd + wpa_supplicant is really light, suitable for light installers, and live USB stick images.\n
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          > Neither GNOME nor Plasma depend on NetworkManager, do they?\n
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    Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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    Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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    Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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        Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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        Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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        Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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