GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@squaresinger@feddit.de/active?p=1

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.21
Profiled on
Token
4adbd9

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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Listeners

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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 253
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  +sticky: false
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    date: 2024-09-17 16:14:10.0 +02:00
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        And the FOSS system seems to be collapsing right now for the same reason that anarcho-communism only works short-term until someone sees commercial value in it and abuses the system to the limit.\n
        \n
        - Big corporations initially providing exceptional services based on FOSS and after a while use their market share to excert undue control about the system (see e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, Chrome, Android, …)\n
        - Big corporations taking FLOSS, rebranding it and hiding it below their frontend, so that nobody can interact with or directly use the FLOSS part (e.g. iOS, any car manufacturer, …)\n
        - Big and small companies just using GPL (or similar) software and not sharing their modifications when asked (e.g. basically any embedded systems, many Android manufacturers, RedHat, …)\n
        - Big corporations using infrastructure FOSS without giving anything back (e.g. OpenSSL, which before Heartbleed was developed and maintained by a single guy with barely enough funding to stay alive, while it was used by millions of projects with a combined user base of billions of users)\n
        \n
        The old embrace-extend-extinguish playbook is everywhere.\n
        \n
        And so it’s no surprise that many well-known FOSS developers are advocating for some kind of post-FOSS system that forces commercial users to pay for their usage of the software.\n
        \n
        Considering how borderline impossible it is for some software developer to successfully sue a company to comply with GPL, I can’t really see such a post-FOSS system work well.
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
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        And the FOSS system seems to be collapsing right now for the same reason that anarcho-communism only works short-term until someone sees commercial value in it and abuses the system to the limit.\n
        \n
        - Big corporations initially providing exceptional services based on FOSS and after a while use their market share to excert undue control about the system (see e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, Chrome, Android, …)\n
        - Big corporations taking FLOSS, rebranding it and hiding it below their frontend, so that nobody can interact with or directly use the FLOSS part (e.g. iOS, any car manufacturer, …)\n
        - Big and small companies just using GPL (or similar) software and not sharing their modifications when asked (e.g. basically any embedded systems, many Android manufacturers, RedHat, …)\n
        - Big corporations using infrastructure FOSS without giving anything back (e.g. OpenSSL, which before Heartbleed was developed and maintained by a single guy with barely enough funding to stay alive, while it was used by millions of projects with a combined user base of billions of users)\n
        \n
        The old embrace-extend-extinguish playbook is everywhere.\n
        \n
        And so it’s no surprise that many well-known FOSS developers are advocating for some kind of post-FOSS system that forces commercial users to pay for their usage of the software.\n
        \n
        Considering how borderline impossible it is for some software developer to successfully sue a company to comply with GPL, I can’t really see such a post-FOSS system work well.
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
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4 DENIED moderate 
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        And the FOSS system seems to be collapsing right now for the same reason that anarcho-communism only works short-term until someone sees commercial value in it and abuses the system to the limit.\n
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        - Big corporations taking FLOSS, rebranding it and hiding it below their frontend, so that nobody can interact with or directly use the FLOSS part (e.g. iOS, any car manufacturer, …)\n
        - Big and small companies just using GPL (or similar) software and not sharing their modifications when asked (e.g. basically any embedded systems, many Android manufacturers, RedHat, …)\n
        - Big corporations using infrastructure FOSS without giving anything back (e.g. OpenSSL, which before Heartbleed was developed and maintained by a single guy with barely enough funding to stay alive, while it was used by millions of projects with a combined user base of billions of users)\n
        \n
        The old embrace-extend-extinguish playbook is everywhere.\n
        \n
        And so it’s no surprise that many well-known FOSS developers are advocating for some kind of post-FOSS system that forces commercial users to pay for their usage of the software.\n
        \n
        Considering how borderline impossible it is for some software developer to successfully sue a company to comply with GPL, I can’t really see such a post-FOSS system work well.
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        I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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        And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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        If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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        You want some stern words?\n
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        You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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        How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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        So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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        How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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        If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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        And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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        I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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        But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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        In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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        Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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        Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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        But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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        That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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        I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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        One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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        Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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        But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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        Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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        Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
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        Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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        I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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        The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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        I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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        And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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        If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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        You want some stern words?\n
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        So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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        How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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        And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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        I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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        But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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        In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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        Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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        Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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        But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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        I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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        One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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        Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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        But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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        Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
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        Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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        I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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        The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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        I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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        And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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        You want some stern words?\n
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        So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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        How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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        If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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        And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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        I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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        But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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        In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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        Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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        I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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        Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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        Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
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        Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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        The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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    And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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    If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
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          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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    And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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    If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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    I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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    And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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    If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
          \n
          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
          \n
          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
          \n
          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    You want some stern words?\n
    \n
    You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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    How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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    And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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    Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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    And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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    Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          Tbh, the first time a boss of mine loses their temper and verbally attacks a colleague like Linus did here, they have also lost all of my respect for them. And at that moment I will start to look for another job.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
          \n
          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
          \n
          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
          \n
          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
          \n
          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    You want some stern words?\n
    \n
    You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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    How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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    And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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    Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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    And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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    Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
          \n
          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    You want some stern words?\n
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    You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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    How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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    And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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    Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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    And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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    Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
          \n
          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
          \n
          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
          \n
          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
          \n
          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
          \n
          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
          \n
          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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    How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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    If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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    And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
          \n
          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
          \n
          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
          \n
          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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    How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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    If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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    And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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        +body: "If all your engineers fuck everything up, maybe the problem is with their leadership who never learned to communicate clearly and professionally."
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
          \n
          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
          \n
          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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    How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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    If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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    And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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        +body: "If all your engineers fuck everything up, maybe the problem is with their leadership who never learned to communicate clearly and professionally."
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
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          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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    But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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    In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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    Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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    Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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    But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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    That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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        +body: "If all your engineers fuck everything up, maybe the problem is with their leadership who never learned to communicate clearly and professionally."
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
          \n
          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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    But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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    In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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    Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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    Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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    But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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    That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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        +body: "If all your engineers fuck everything up, maybe the problem is with their leadership who never learned to communicate clearly and professionally."
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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          One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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          Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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          Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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          Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
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          Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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          I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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          The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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    But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
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    In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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    Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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    Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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    But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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    That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          Tbh, the first time a boss of mine loses their temper and verbally attacks a colleague like Linus did here, they have also lost all of my respect for them. And at that moment I will start to look for another job.
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
          \n
          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
          \n
          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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    I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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    One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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    Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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    But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
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    Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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    Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
    \n
    Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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    I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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    The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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        +body: "If all your engineers fuck everything up, maybe the problem is with their leadership who never learned to communicate clearly and professionally."
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
          \n
          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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    I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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    One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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    Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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    But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
    \n
    Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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    Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
    \n
    Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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    I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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    The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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          I think removing someone’s maintainer status does communicate disappointment in their performance quite well.\n
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          And as for anger and frustration, these things really don’t matter in this circumstance. Work is not therapy. If you need to vent anger and frustration, get a therapist. Employees are employed to do their job, not to be the emotional punching bag for a manager who can’t control their temper.\n
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          If an employee doesn’t perform to expectations repeatedly and even after you had a few constructive one-on-ones, then demote them or fire them. No need to vent your anger on them and lose your professionalism.\n
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          You want some stern words?\n
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          You are a useless peace of dead weight in this community. Your comments suck and you have no idea how people work and how to professionally communicate. I hope you never have a job, let alone one in a management role. You should leave and never come back. Get aborted retroactively! You make the world a worse place by your mere existance!\n
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          How do you feel about that? Are you going to change your behavior because of these “stern words”? Or are you going to think “What an idiot” and ignore everything I said?\n
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          And we both are just anonymous randos on the internet and while this comment is public, not a lot of people are going to read it and it will have zero impact to either of our lives.\n
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          Now imagine I was your boss, both of us are publically known people and I post this on the company social media account together with your full name.\n
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          And people still dig this up 10 years later to laugh at it.\n
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          Please reconsider your interpersonal behaviour.
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          So you are saying personal offenses and coleric bosses are required to deliver quality?\n
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          How does screaming and shouting like a little kid in a temper tantrum increase quality?\n
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          If you need to resort to personal offenses to get your point across, you are either lacking a good point, communication skills or respect.\n
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          And behaving like a toddler tends to make people really respect you, right?
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          I do understand what you mean, and it makes much more sense than advocating for venting.\n
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          But I still feel that putting emotions into a discussion about work performance isn’t the right way, especially when done in public.\n
          \n
          In a situation like that where something caused a lot of negative emotions (that go beyond your work performance is bad), I think you should have two separate talks. One about the factual things where one is boss and the other is employee, and one about the hurt/emotions the behaviour caused and in this talk, both are just people resolving their personal problems.\n
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          Something like the issue in the OP really shouldn’t cause anger on Linus’ side, since it’s a totally factual issue. A propper response would have been to decline/revert the change while publically saying “This change validates that rule of the project” and then privately contacting the maintainer in question and tell him, “We talked about this repeatedly, if you don’t stop, we need to take consequences.”\n
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          Emotions should really only enter the picture when personal offenses where comitted before or maybe if the employee did something with the intent to hurt the project/company/manager.\n
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          But if you get really angry because your employee did something wrong, then that’s a problem on the side of the manager and not on the side of the employee.\n
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          That said, I think it’s totally ok to tell the employee about the consequences of their actions (“We lost X amount of money” or “It took Y amount of time to correct it” or something like that).
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    I’m not a manager (used to be team lead, but managing is not for me), but I’ve worked under a few coleric managers and some that where able to communicate in a sensible way.\n
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    One of my bosses, for example (that was the job where I was team lead) had a pretty similar style of communication as Linus.\n
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    Sure, the company was his life work. But I also started there shortly after the company was founded and I too spent a lot of time and was very emotionally invested in the company and the products. And my boss was just human (and on top didn’t know a lot about the subject), so he made mistakes. And his judgement was often wrong.\n
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    But he was never able to accept that he made any mistakes. He’d offload all his mistakes onto some employee, while claiming that every idea that worked out was his, and not the idea of the employee who actually had the idea and had to convince him first. And every time something went wrong, he’d slam the door of some employee open and shouted and swore at that employee.\n
    \n
    Turns out, that’s not a great way to encourage people working there. Most of the good people quit after one especially bad explosion of his.\n
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    Back to Linus: is it human to be angry that someone disagrees with you? Maybe.\n
    \n
    Is it in any way helpful to anyone? Clearly not.\n
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    I am pretty sure that anyone who gets to be a maintainer on the Linux kernel is heavily invested and has sacrificed a lot to get there. Attacking them like Linus did, that really renders their life work worthless.\n
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    The maintainer did nothing with the purpose to harm the Linux kernel project. He just accepted a change that he thought would improve Linux. Disagreeing on a factual topic with your boss should never trigger an explosion like that.
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    They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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    But they didn’t, because they realized they *didn’t have to*. It’s 100% possible to put pirated games on the Steam Deck - in fact, it’s as easy as it could reasonably be. You copy it over, you wire it up to Steam, if it’s a non-Linux game you set it up with Proton or whatever else you want to use to run it, bam. You can now run it in Steam just as easily as a normal Steam game (usually.) If you want something similar to cloud saves you can even set up SyncThing for that.\n
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    But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don’t have automatic updates, and some games won’t run this way for one reason or another even though they’ll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you’re running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it’s even more hoops.\n
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        Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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        I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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    They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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        Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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        Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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        I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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    They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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    But they didn’t, because they realized they *didn’t have to*. It’s 100% possible to put pirated games on the Steam Deck - in fact, it’s as easy as it could reasonably be. You copy it over, you wire it up to Steam, if it’s a non-Linux game you set it up with Proton or whatever else you want to use to run it, bam. You can now run it in Steam just as easily as a normal Steam game (usually.) If you want something similar to cloud saves you can even set up SyncThing for that.\n
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    But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don’t have automatic updates, and some games won’t run this way for one reason or another even though they’ll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you’re running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it’s even more hoops.\n
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        Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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        Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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        But anyhow: I can lock down a x86 laptop or PC the way I was describing within a very short time.\n
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        So again:\n
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        - Put a password on the BIOS\n
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        And if a company was doing this to their products (e.g. the Steam Deck), they’d replace the first 3 steps with a custom BIOS which just doesn’t let you change anything in regards to Secure Boot and Secure Boot keys. That way, removing the BIOS battery won’t help.\n
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        There are countless embedded devices using an x86 PC at their core, where they did exactly that. (E.g. ATMs or medical devices)\n
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        Also Chromebooks are exactly that.\n
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        I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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          I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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    Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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    Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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      But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don’t have automatic updates, and some games won’t run this way for one reason or another even though they’ll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you’re running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it’s even more hoops.\n
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      Whereas if you own a game it’s just push a button and play. They made legitimately owning a game *more* convenient than piracy, and they did it without relying on DRM or anything that restricts or annoys legitimate users at all - even if a game has a DRM-free GOG version, owning it on Steam will still make it easier to play on the Steam Deck.
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          Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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          But anyhow: I can lock down a x86 laptop or PC the way I was describing within a very short time.\n
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          So again:\n
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          I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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    Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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    Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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    I had an x86 Android tablet and that was exactly as locked-down as an ARM Android device.\n
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    But anyhow: I can lock down a x86 laptop or PC the way I was describing within a very short time.\n
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    So again:\n
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    Also Chromebooks are exactly that.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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      But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don’t have automatic updates, and some games won’t run this way for one reason or another even though they’ll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you’re running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it’s even more hoops.\n
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          I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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    Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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    I had an x86 Android tablet and that was exactly as locked-down as an ARM Android device.\n
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    But anyhow: I can lock down a x86 laptop or PC the way I was describing within a very short time.\n
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    So again:\n
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    - Put a password on the BIOS\n
    - Set Secure Boot on\n
    - Wipe all Secure Boot keys and put your own in there\n
    - Encrypt the disk so that you can’t just plop the drive into another PC and modify its content\n
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    There are countless embedded devices using an x86 PC at their core, where they did exactly that. (E.g. ATMs or medical devices)\n
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    Also Chromebooks are exactly that.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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      But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don’t have automatic updates, and some games won’t run this way for one reason or another even though they’ll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you’re running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it’s even more hoops.\n
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          Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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    Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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    There are countless embedded devices using an x86 PC at their core, where they did exactly that. (E.g. ATMs or medical devices)\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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    I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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    I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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          Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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    I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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      But they didn’t, because they realized they *didn’t have to*. It’s 100% possible to put pirated games on the Steam Deck - in fact, it’s as easy as it could reasonably be. You copy it over, you wire it up to Steam, if it’s a non-Linux game you set it up with Proton or whatever else you want to use to run it, bam. You can now run it in Steam just as easily as a normal Steam game (usually.) If you want something similar to cloud saves you can even set up SyncThing for that.\n
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      But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don’t have automatic updates, and some games won’t run this way for one reason or another even though they’ll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you’re running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it’s even more hoops.\n
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      Whereas if you own a game it’s just push a button and play. They made legitimately owning a game *more* convenient than piracy, and they did it without relying on DRM or anything that restricts or annoys legitimate users at all - even if a game has a DRM-free GOG version, owning it on Steam will still make it easier to play on the Steam Deck.
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          Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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          - Lock the BIOS down so that it can only boot a Valve-signed OS\n
          - Remove root access on the OS\n
          - `chown root:root` on anything you don’t want the users to touch\n
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          It’s pretty much the same as Android device vendors are doing.
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          Have you heard of Android running on x86?\n
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          I had an x86 Android tablet and that was exactly as locked-down as an ARM Android device.\n
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          But anyhow: I can lock down a x86 laptop or PC the way I was describing within a very short time.\n
          \n
          So again:\n
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          - Put a password on the BIOS\n
          - Set Secure Boot on\n
          - Wipe all Secure Boot keys and put your own in there\n
          - Encrypt the disk so that you can’t just plop the drive into another PC and modify its content\n
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          There are countless embedded devices using an x86 PC at their core, where they did exactly that. (E.g. ATMs or medical devices)\n
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          Also Chromebooks are exactly that.\n
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          And the Playstation 5 does the same thing, only it’s based on FreeBSD.
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          I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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          I did post an exact description a bit higher above, but you focussed on the one detail that really doesn’t matter in this equation (ARM vs x86, even though it’s exactly the same in that regard, and there are also x86 Android devices) and neither read nor understood the rest of my answer.\n
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      They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That’s what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.\n
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          Tieing down a Linux installation is actually pretty easy.\n
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          I tried something very similar, but if I set my Nvidia Prime profile to on-demand (use the Nvidia GPU for games, use the Intel GPU for everything else), whenever I start a game where Proton uses DXVK, after a few minutes of playing the whole system freezes. Can’t even get to the console anymore and even shortly pressing the power button does nothing. I have to reset the whole laptop.\n
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        Yeah, heared that a lot.\n
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    Hello all,\n
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          I tried something very similar, but if I set my Nvidia Prime profile to on-demand (use the Nvidia GPU for games, use the Intel GPU for everything else), whenever I start a game where Proton uses DXVK, after a few minutes of playing the whole system freezes. Can’t even get to the console anymore and even shortly pressing the power button does nothing. I have to reset the whole laptop.\n
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          I tried something very similar, but if I set my Nvidia Prime profile to on-demand (use the Nvidia GPU for games, use the Intel GPU for everything else), whenever I start a game where Proton uses DXVK, after a few minutes of playing the whole system freezes. Can’t even get to the console anymore and even shortly pressing the power button does nothing. I have to reset the whole laptop.\n
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          If I set it to use the Nvidia GPU always it works, but then battery life is nothing.\n
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        Yeah, heared that a lot.\n
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        But I didn’t specifically buy my laptop for Linux, 5 years ago. And the purpose that would really urge me over to Linux is that this laptop has a 7th gen Intel CPU which just about doesn’t qualify for Win11.\n
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      Hello all,\n
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            I tried something very similar, but if I set my Nvidia Prime profile to on-demand (use the Nvidia GPU for games, use the Intel GPU for everything else), whenever I start a game where Proton uses DXVK, after a few minutes of playing the whole system freezes. Can’t even get to the console anymore and even shortly pressing the power button does nothing. I have to reset the whole laptop.\n
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          Thanks, that’s a really cool hint!\n
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          I’ll try whether that works in the locked-up state
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            I tried something very similar, but if I set my Nvidia Prime profile to on-demand (use the Nvidia GPU for games, use the Intel GPU for everything else), whenever I start a game where Proton uses DXVK, after a few minutes of playing the whole system freezes. Can’t even get to the console anymore and even shortly pressing the power button does nothing. I have to reset the whole laptop.\n
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            I tried something very similar, but if I set my Nvidia Prime profile to on-demand (use the Nvidia GPU for games, use the Intel GPU for everything else), whenever I start a game where Proton uses DXVK, after a few minutes of playing the whole system freezes. Can’t even get to the console anymore and even shortly pressing the power button does nothing. I have to reset the whole laptop.\n
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          Thanks, that’s a really cool hint!\n
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          I’ll try whether that works in the locked-up state
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    Yeah, heared that a lot.\n
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          Yeah, heared that a lot.\n
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      At around the mid Nov this year I had enough with Windows especially the latest 23H2 pack that forced a lot of what I call malware back on my system when I had put several blockers from being re-installed.\n
      \n
      A bit of a background. I have been using Windows since 3.1 with MSDOS 6.2 since forever and I have seen everything from Microsoft. At the same time I’m a senior Microsoft engineer and have been for more than a decade.\n
      \n
      Back in 2018 I decided to maximise my hosting game server and installed Ubuntu. I didn’t have the greatest of times but I always enjoy the tinkering process of solving something, so I stuck with it.\n
      \n
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      \n
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          Yeah, heared that a lot.\n
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          But I didn’t specifically buy my laptop for Linux, 5 years ago. And the purpose that would really urge me over to Linux is that this laptop has a 7th gen Intel CPU which just about doesn’t qualify for Win11.\n
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    I tried something very similar, but if I set my Nvidia Prime profile to on-demand (use the Nvidia GPU for games, use the Intel GPU for everything else), whenever I start a game where Proton uses DXVK, after a few minutes of playing the whole system freezes. Can’t even get to the console anymore and even shortly pressing the power button does nothing. I have to reset the whole laptop.\n
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      Hello all,\n
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      At around the mid Nov this year I had enough with Windows especially the latest 23H2 pack that forced a lot of what I call malware back on my system when I had put several blockers from being re-installed.\n
      \n
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          Yeah, heared that a lot.\n
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