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Security

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Firewall

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Stateless

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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 
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12 
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13 
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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    \n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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3 DENIED edit 
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      \n
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      - No spam posting.\n
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      - No trolling.\n
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      - [awesome-sysadmin](https://github.com/awesome-foss/awesome-sysadmin) resources\n
      - [Self-Hosted Podcast from Jupiter Broadcasting](https://selfhosted.show)\n
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    \n
    > For eg. for 100€ you can find an HP Mini with an i5 8th gen + 16GB of ram + 256GB NVME that obviously has a case, a LOT of I/O, PCIe (m2) comes with a power adapter and outperforms a RPi5 in all possible ways. Note that the RPi5 8GB of ram will cost you 80€ + case + power adapter + cable + bullshit adapter + SD card + whatever else money grab - the Pi isn’t just a good option.\n
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    - Another typical use case for a Pi is some low power server, but while it is great in theory then it lacks the CPU performance required for the container-based absurdities people want to run and the I/O sucks. USB wasn’t ever a good way to connect to storage, let alone a USB/network shared bus like we had in the past. The new PCIe is questionable (look at the NanoPi M4v2 from 2018) and requires… more adapters;\n
    - Price-wise it doesn’t make much sense as well because a second hand x86 will be 10x faster at the same price point… and way more stable with more expansion.\n
    \n
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    Proxmox isn’t a new thing, in fact it is a pile of crap and questionable open-source that people still run because they haven’t discovered LXC/LXD yet. Read more here: [lemmy.world/comment/6507871](https://lemmy.world/comment/6507871). FYI you can run LXD on your Pis and get both containers and virtual machines with it in the same way Proxmox people do with x86.\n
    \n
    The irony of this comment is that people will shit on me about replacing Proxmox with LXD in the same way they used to when I said that Pis were a money grab and x86 MiniPCs were way better.
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