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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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    A few things draw significant differences.\n
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    A big part of the confusion comes from the fact that different people will use these terms differently.\n
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    In a socialist framework, *private property* is distinguished from *personal property*. Personal property is your stuff that you use for yourself. Your coat, your car, your TV, etc. *Private property* is *the means of production*, or *capital*—things that increase a worker’s ability to do useful work. Think factories or companies, where ownership in and of itself, regardless of labor, would make the owner money. Socialists think *that* kind of private property shouldn’t exist, because it means wealthy people can just own stuff for a living, profiting off of the people who do the work.\n
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    Housing can go either way. Owning a home for yourself and your family would be far closer to personal property, while owning an apartment building to collect rent would be far closer to private property.\n
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    *Socialism*, for the most part and historically, is an umbrella term describing social rather than private ownership. That would include anarchism, which largely synonymous with “libertarian socialism.” Lenin, on the other hand, used it to more specifically refer to an intermediate stage between capitalism in communism, so you might see people using that more narrow definition to exclude anarchists, democratic socialists, etc.
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      Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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    Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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      Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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    Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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      Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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    Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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        Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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      Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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    Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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        +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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        Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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        Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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      Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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      Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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    Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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    As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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    FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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        +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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        Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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        Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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      Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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      Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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    Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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    Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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    FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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          Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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        Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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        Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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      Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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      As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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      Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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      FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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    > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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    Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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    > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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    No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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    > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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    “Sharing.”
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          Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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        Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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        Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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      Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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      Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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      FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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    > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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    Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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    > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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    No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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    > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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    “Sharing.”
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          +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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          Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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          Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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        Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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        Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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      Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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      As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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      Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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      FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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    > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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    Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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            Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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            Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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          Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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          Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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        Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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        As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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        Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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        FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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      > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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      Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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      > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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      No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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      > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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      “Sharing.”
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    No.\n
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    Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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    When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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    You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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            +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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            Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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            Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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          Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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          Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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        Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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        As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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        Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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        FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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      > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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      Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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      > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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      No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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      > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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      “Sharing.”
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    No.\n
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    Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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    When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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    You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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            +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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            Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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            Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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          Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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          Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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        Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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        As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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        Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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        FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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      > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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      Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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      > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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      No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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      > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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      “Sharing.”
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    No.\n
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    Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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    When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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    You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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              +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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              Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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              Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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            Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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            Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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          Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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          As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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          Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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          FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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        > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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        Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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        > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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        No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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        > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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        “Sharing.”
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      No.\n
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      Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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      When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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      You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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    > No.\n
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    Yes.\n
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    > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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    Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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    > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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    FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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    > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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    makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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    You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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              +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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              Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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              Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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            Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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            Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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          Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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          As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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          Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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          FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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        > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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        Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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        > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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        No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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        > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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        “Sharing.”
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      No.\n
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      Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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      When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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      You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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    > No.\n
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    Yes.\n
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    > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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    Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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    > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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    FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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    > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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    makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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    You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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              Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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              Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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            Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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            Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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          Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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          As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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          Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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          FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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        > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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        Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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        > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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        No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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        > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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        “Sharing.”
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      No.\n
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      Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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      When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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      You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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    > No.\n
    \n
    Yes.\n
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    > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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    Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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    > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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    FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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    > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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    makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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    You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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                Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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                Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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              Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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              Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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            Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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            As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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            Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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            FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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          > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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          Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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          > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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          No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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          > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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          “Sharing.”
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        No.\n
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        Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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        When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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        You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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      > No.\n
      \n
      Yes.\n
      \n
      > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
      \n
      Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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      > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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      FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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      > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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      makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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      You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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    “This rejection of profit and ownership made by a self-admitted leftist is actually completely in line with for-profit individual ownership just because AnCaps don’t murder people for doing charity”\n
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    You’re just trying to be contrarion for the sake of it, lmao. Again, the article was showcasing examples of gift economies and how Anarcho-Communism would function, and Linux fits that definition. It wasn’t arguing that Linux is Anarcho-Communism itself. It is *not* an example of how Anarcho-Capitalism would function, as Anarcho-Capitalism is Capitalism, and FOSS is decidedly anticapitalist, even if said Capitalists wouldn’t murder Linus for rejecting Capitalism.\n
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    You’re again being needlessly contrarion, Anarcho-Capitalists don’t advocate for setting up networks of mutual aid and FOSS software, they don’t care about gift economies either. Using Linux as an example for AnCapistan would get you laughed out of the room, if calling yourself an AnCap didn’t already result in that.\n
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    I’m done, this is pointless.
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                +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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                Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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                Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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              Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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              Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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            Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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            As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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            Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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            FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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          > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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          Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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          > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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          No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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          > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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          “Sharing.”
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        No.\n
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        Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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        When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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        You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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      > No.\n
      \n
      Yes.\n
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      > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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      Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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      > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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      FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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      > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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      makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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      You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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    “This rejection of profit and ownership made by a self-admitted leftist is actually completely in line with for-profit individual ownership just because AnCaps don’t murder people for doing charity”\n
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    You’re just trying to be contrarion for the sake of it, lmao. Again, the article was showcasing examples of gift economies and how Anarcho-Communism would function, and Linux fits that definition. It wasn’t arguing that Linux is Anarcho-Communism itself. It is *not* an example of how Anarcho-Capitalism would function, as Anarcho-Capitalism is Capitalism, and FOSS is decidedly anticapitalist, even if said Capitalists wouldn’t murder Linus for rejecting Capitalism.\n
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    You’re again being needlessly contrarion, Anarcho-Capitalists don’t advocate for setting up networks of mutual aid and FOSS software, they don’t care about gift economies either. Using Linux as an example for AnCapistan would get you laughed out of the room, if calling yourself an AnCap didn’t already result in that.\n
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    I’m done, this is pointless.
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                Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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                Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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              Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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              Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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            Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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            As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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            Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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            FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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          > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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          Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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          > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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          No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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          > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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          “Sharing.”
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        No.\n
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        Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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        When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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        You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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      > No.\n
      \n
      Yes.\n
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      > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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      Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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      > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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      FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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      > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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      makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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      You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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    “This rejection of profit and ownership made by a self-admitted leftist is actually completely in line with for-profit individual ownership just because AnCaps don’t murder people for doing charity”\n
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    You’re just trying to be contrarion for the sake of it, lmao. Again, the article was showcasing examples of gift economies and how Anarcho-Communism would function, and Linux fits that definition. It wasn’t arguing that Linux is Anarcho-Communism itself. It is *not* an example of how Anarcho-Capitalism would function, as Anarcho-Capitalism is Capitalism, and FOSS is decidedly anticapitalist, even if said Capitalists wouldn’t murder Linus for rejecting Capitalism.\n
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    You’re again being needlessly contrarion, Anarcho-Capitalists don’t advocate for setting up networks of mutual aid and FOSS software, they don’t care about gift economies either. Using Linux as an example for AnCapistan would get you laughed out of the room, if calling yourself an AnCap didn’t already result in that.\n
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    I’m done, this is pointless.
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                  +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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                  Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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                  Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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                Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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                Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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              Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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              As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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              Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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              FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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            > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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            Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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            > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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            No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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            > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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            “Sharing.”
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          No.\n
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          Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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          When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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          You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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        > No.\n
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        Yes.\n
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        > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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        Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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        > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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        FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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        > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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        makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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        You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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      “This rejection of profit and ownership made by a self-admitted leftist is actually completely in line with for-profit individual ownership just because AnCaps don’t murder people for doing charity”\n
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      You’re just trying to be contrarion for the sake of it, lmao. Again, the article was showcasing examples of gift economies and how Anarcho-Communism would function, and Linux fits that definition. It wasn’t arguing that Linux is Anarcho-Communism itself. It is *not* an example of how Anarcho-Capitalism would function, as Anarcho-Capitalism is Capitalism, and FOSS is decidedly anticapitalist, even if said Capitalists wouldn’t murder Linus for rejecting Capitalism.\n
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      You’re again being needlessly contrarion, Anarcho-Capitalists don’t advocate for setting up networks of mutual aid and FOSS software, they don’t care about gift economies either. Using Linux as an example for AnCapistan would get you laughed out of the room, if calling yourself an AnCap didn’t already result in that.\n
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                  +body: "Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we’re just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it’s volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than “sharing.”"
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                  Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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                  Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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                Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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                Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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              Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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              As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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              Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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              FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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            > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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            Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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            > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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            No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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            > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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            “Sharing.”
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          No.\n
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          Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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          When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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          You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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        > No.\n
        \n
        Yes.\n
        \n
        > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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        Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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        > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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        FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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        > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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        makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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        You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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      “This rejection of profit and ownership made by a self-admitted leftist is actually completely in line with for-profit individual ownership just because AnCaps don’t murder people for doing charity”\n
      \n
      You’re just trying to be contrarion for the sake of it, lmao. Again, the article was showcasing examples of gift economies and how Anarcho-Communism would function, and Linux fits that definition. It wasn’t arguing that Linux is Anarcho-Communism itself. It is *not* an example of how Anarcho-Capitalism would function, as Anarcho-Capitalism is Capitalism, and FOSS is decidedly anticapitalist, even if said Capitalists wouldn’t murder Linus for rejecting Capitalism.\n
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      You’re again being needlessly contrarion, Anarcho-Capitalists don’t advocate for setting up networks of mutual aid and FOSS software, they don’t care about gift economies either. Using Linux as an example for AnCapistan would get you laughed out of the room, if calling yourself an AnCap didn’t already result in that.\n
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      I’m done, this is pointless.
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                  Anarcho-Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it’s like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.\n
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                  Just because FOSS would be “allowed” in Capitalism doesn’t mean it’s an example of Capitalist principles.
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                Yes and they’d argue that anarchism isn’t exclusively leftist (well, *I’D* argue that depends on one’s definition of left/right, because depending on who you ask it’s either good/bad, collectivism/individualism, or lib/auth, and by the latter definition they would then be leftist capitalists, which is funny to think about.) They support individual ownership without rulers, however they still promote sharing of things you own with your community if you can/want.\n
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                Right, and just because sharing is “allowed” in communism doesn’t mean sharing *is* communism. It being allowed in both not being necessarily representative of either is my whole point.
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              Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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              As for Left/Right, the standard definition is Collective/Individual ownership of the Means of Production, not necessarily collectivism/individualism or lib/auth. Individual ownership by definition is supporting rulers, the larger Capitalists are effectively no different from a Feudal state.\n
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              Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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              FOSS isn’t simply “sharing” either, it’s quite literally a rejection of Individual ownership and creating IP for the collective to use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit. It isn’t a coincidence that FOSS enthusiasts overwhelmingly lean left, just like Lemmy tends to.
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            > Regardless of *what* AnCaps argue, the fundamental fact is that Anarchy is a rejection of hierarchy, whereas Private Property itself requires both the Owner/Worker hierarchy, and a monopoly on violence that cannot be reasonably contested to uphold Private Property protections. As such, it can *only* be considered Libertarian, as it both maintains hierarchy and maintains some semblance of at minimum a nightwatchman state.\n
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            Regardless is right, because my comments were never about espousing the benefits of anarcho-capitalism, I was using them to make the point that simply because things share a similarity with a political ideology it does not in fact make them “that ideology.” Arguing about ancapistan in this instance is a “strawman.”\n
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            > Sharing being allowed does not mean FOSS aligns with AnCap principles, that’s like saying bagel consumption is AnCap.\n
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            No this is *my* point, you get your own.\n
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            > use, fork, maintain, and distribute as they see fit.\n
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            “Sharing.”
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          No.\n
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          Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society, FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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          When the article is giving an example of how Anarcho-Communism would work, Linux is a fantastic example. Nobody is saying Linux *is* Anarcho-Communism, or that Linux cannot exist within broader contexts, but that in an Anarcho-Communist society, the structure of Linux and FOSS would be the common structure.\n
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          You’re being contrarion for the sake of it.
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        > No.\n
        \n
        Yes.\n
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        > Your argument is that because FOSS would be permissible in AnCap society…\n
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        Because voluntary association and sharing is also a core tenet of volunteerism/anarchocapitalism, as they also are of anarcho-communism…\n
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        > FOSS being fundamentally constructed upon AnCom principles of rejecting Capitalism and centralization in favor of decentralized and collectively owned and distributed property\n
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        FOSS being similar to AnCom because both share principles of sharing\n
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        > makes it *not* in line with Anarcho-Communism.\n
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        makes it *not* *necessarily* Anarcho-Communist.\n
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        You’re making false equivalencies for the sake of it.
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      “This rejection of profit and ownership made by a self-admitted leftist is actually completely in line with for-profit individual ownership just because AnCaps don’t murder people for doing charity”\n
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      You’re just trying to be contrarion for the sake of it, lmao. Again, the article was showcasing examples of gift economies and how Anarcho-Communism would function, and Linux fits that definition. It wasn’t arguing that Linux is Anarcho-Communism itself. It is *not* an example of how Anarcho-Capitalism would function, as Anarcho-Capitalism is Capitalism, and FOSS is decidedly anticapitalist, even if said Capitalists wouldn’t murder Linus for rejecting Capitalism.\n
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      You’re again being needlessly contrarion, Anarcho-Capitalists don’t advocate for setting up networks of mutual aid and FOSS software, they don’t care about gift economies either. Using Linux as an example for AnCapistan would get you laughed out of the room, if calling yourself an AnCap didn’t already result in that.\n
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      I’m done, this is pointless.
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