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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
\n
You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
\n
Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
\n
> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
\n
> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
\n
Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
\n
So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
\n
alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
\n
Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
\n
> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
\n
> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
\n
So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
\n
Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
\n
Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
\n
[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
\n
Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
\n
> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
\n
You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
\n
Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
\n
Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
\n
You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
\n
Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
\n
> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
\n
> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
\n
Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
\n
You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
\n
Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
\n
alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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What is more collaborative:\n
\n
"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
\n
or\n
\n
[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
\n
fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
\n
So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
\n
You wanna maybe try that again?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
\n
> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
\n
> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
\n
[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
\n
fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
\n
Source for this?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
\n
Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
\n
alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
\n
So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
\n
Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
\n
You wanna maybe try that again?
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
\n
> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
\n
I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
\n
You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
\n
> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
\n
Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
\n
So Palestinians:\n
\n
- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
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the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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+body: "a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?"
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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or\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
\n
Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
\n
Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
\n
Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes.\n
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UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, and said that the only solution to the violence is to end the Israeli occupation and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination.
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+body: "It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I'm sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?"
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Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is *not* a war crime, that's the definition of "collateral damage."\n
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There's no double standard there, that's the *whole issue*.
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> ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,\n
\n
the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and *openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets*. They didn't even hide that, they were proud of that.\n
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> sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated\n
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You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn't have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/\n
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> and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”\n
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Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas *loves* shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.\n
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> Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.\n
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I love how, *now*, people are saying "they should have invaded by land!" when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.\n
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> They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.\n
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You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian *civilians* that were killed in this war.\n
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> In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.\n
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Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I'd love to see if they've finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.
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What is more collaborative:\n
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"They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust"\n
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[this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Palestine_2)\n
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fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?
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> They have bombed a neonatal unit!\n
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Source for this?
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> It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,\n
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So you don't want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?\n
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Don't call it a ceasefire if you don't know what a ceasefire exist.\n
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> up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.\n
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Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you're really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?\n
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You wanna maybe try that again?
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> what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.\n
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Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as "collateral damage." It is a tragedy that should be minimized.\n
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Glad we're in agreement.
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> I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long\n
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alright I'm going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians' behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what *actually happened*.\n
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Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.\n
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Meanwhile, Israelis invest *billions* into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of [Yahya Sinwar](https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10?op=1), and... Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?\n
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So Palestinians:\n
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- Don't defend their own\n
- Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally\n
- Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)
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