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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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3 DENIED edit 
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        > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
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        What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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        Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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        But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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        This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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        This is not something you can do in English.\n
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        And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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        Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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        Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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        I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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        Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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        And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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        By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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        In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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        You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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        **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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        I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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        > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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        Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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        > Who cares about that guy?\n
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        He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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        > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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        Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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        > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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        But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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        > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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        Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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        > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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        The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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        The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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        **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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        When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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        Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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        > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
        \n
        What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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        Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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        But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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        This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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        This is not something you can do in English.\n
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        And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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        Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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        Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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        I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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        Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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        And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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        By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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        In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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        You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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        **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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        I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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        > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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        Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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        > Who cares about that guy?\n
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        He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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        > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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        Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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        > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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        But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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        > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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        Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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        > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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        The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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        The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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        **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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        When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
        \n
        Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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        > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
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        What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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        Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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        But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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        This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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        This is not something you can do in English.\n
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        And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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        Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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        Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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        I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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        Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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        And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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        By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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        In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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        You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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        **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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        I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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        > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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        Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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        > Who cares about that guy?\n
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        He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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        > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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        Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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        > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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        But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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        > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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        Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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        > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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        The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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        The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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        **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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        When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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        Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
          \n
          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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    > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
    \n
    What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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    Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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    But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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    This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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    This is not something you can do in English.\n
    \n
    And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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    Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
          \n
          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
          \n
          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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    > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
    \n
    What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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    Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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    But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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    This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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    This is not something you can do in English.\n
    \n
    And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
    \n
    Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
          \n
          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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    > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
    \n
    What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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    Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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    But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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    This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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    This is not something you can do in English.\n
    \n
    And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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    Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
          \n
          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
          \n
          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
          \n
          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
          \n
          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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    Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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    I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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    Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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    And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
    \n
    By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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    In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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    You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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    **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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    I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
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          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
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          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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    Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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    I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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    Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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    And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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    By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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    In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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    You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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    **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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    I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
          \n
          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
          \n
          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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    Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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    I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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    Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
    \n
    And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
    \n
    By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
    \n
    In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
    \n
    You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
    \n
    **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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    I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
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          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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    > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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    Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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    > Who cares about that guy?\n
    \n
    He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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    > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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    Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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    > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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    But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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    > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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    Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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    > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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    The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
    \n
    The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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    **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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    When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
    \n
    Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
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          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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    > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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    Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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    > Who cares about that guy?\n
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    He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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    > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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    Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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    > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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    But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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    > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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    Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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    > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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    The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
    \n
    The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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    **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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    When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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    Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
          \n
          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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    > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
    \n
    Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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    > Who cares about that guy?\n
    \n
    He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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    > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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    Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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    > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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    But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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    > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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    Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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    > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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    The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
    \n
    The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
    \n
    **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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    When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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    Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
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          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
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          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
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          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
          \n
          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
          \n
          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
          \n
          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          > Of course it does. How you pronounce things depends on the language you use. How people pronounce the letters “gif” is based on their language. In English, it’s a hard g.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
          \n
          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          When you consider that a large number of words in English which are spelled the same have different pronunciations or are pronounced wildly phonemically differently by different speakers or in different dialects, like “minute”, “combat”, “perfect”, “read”, “bass”, “close”, “agape”, “object”, “sewer”, “wind”, “wound”… “apricot”, “leisure”, “often”, “crayon”, “either”, “been”, “caramel”, “garage”, “yogurt”… your argument about pronunciation based on “spelling rules” falls apart pretty quickly.\n
          \n
          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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          > If understanding is also the only metric then a hard g would still be preferable. Not only does a written g tend to make people lean to a hard g in my experience, but there’s more words that *could* be mistaken for a soft g pronunciation.\n
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          What? That’s just a silly claim, the word “gift” is generally pronounced [gɪft̚] with the /t/ having no release, often the last consonant isn’t even perceived by speakers, if anything that is *extremely* easy to mix up with “gif” using a /g/ as opposed using a /dʒ/, compared to any other words (well I guess there’s “jif” the peanut butter brand?). You make a bad argument.\n
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          Also yes, if someone pronounced or used a word one way and then went to some theoretical place where everyone else pronounced or used it in a way where it becomes mutually unintelligible, then yes you WOULD be saying it “wrong” if you insisted on pronouncing it in a way nobody can decipher it, if you can call anything in language “wrong”. French speakers can’t just go say shit to Sicilian speakers and expect to be understood.\n
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          But no, there are *no* rules about word construction or pronunciation. The closest thing we have to “rules” is loose standards that people commonly us. And in the context of this conversation, most English standards don’t invoke any sort of phonemic spelling like e.g. Spanish or French or Polish or Korean or whatever. There are no “spelling rules” that dictate that a certain sequence of letters or words has to be pronounced a certain way regardless of context, even according to standards of English. None of that “exceptions” bs, Modern English spelling is mostly based off of a writing system of a language that Modern English speakers wouldn’t even understand, and as such there are only a few sometimes-consistencies-ish, like using certain constructs to differentiate lax vs tense vowels like doubling the following consonant letter vs appending an “e” at the end, when applicable. It’s just infeasible due to the history of the writing system to apply a consistent convention for phonemic spelling without reforming the entire orthography.\n
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          This is opposed to, say, French, in which standard spellings have *actually consistent throughout the entire language* rules for how a certain combination of letters is formally pronounced (regardless of how much French speakers like to claim their spelling is nonsense), sometimes with secondary/uncommon pronunciations, and with exceptions to those rules. And consistent rules for phenomena like liaison. And applying those rules, you can systematically pronounce a majority of words accurately even if you’ve never encountered the language in your life. Here’s a table just for fun: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Spelling_to_sound_correspondences)\n
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          This is not something you can do in English.\n
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          And even using the argument of standards, the most common descriptions of Standard English (e.g. Oxford’s dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, AHD) all list both /gɪf/ and /dʒɪf/.\n
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          Also you claim that the latter is falling out of favor, but that seems to have come from thin air. All the resources on the matter in the first place are online polls with a small sample size and a lot of bias in terms of the location of the respondants from like a decade ago, idk how you determine that one is more popular than the other in a way other than “I hear X pronunciation more than Y”. The fact that this argument is seen all over the internet and is extremely contentious should be proof enough to show you that that claim is fallacious.
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          Yeah you see you’ve omitted most of my argument because it’d be absurd to argue against. Including the part which I bolded specifically – the part about e.g. Oxford or Merriam-Webster completely disagreeing with you.\n
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          I already mentioned, there are plenty of words with “gi” that say it /dʒ/, including things that end in “-giform” (e.g. “spongiform”, “fungiform”) which has “gif” in it. That on its own disproves your point. You’d have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it, like “gift is shorter” or “only words that start with gif count”, which is just grasping as straws making arbitrary lines. At that point I could just say “only 3 letter words count” or “gift doesn’t count because the syllable isn’t /gɪf/ but /gɪft/ with a consonant cluster, therefore it’s invalid, only things where “gif” represent a standalone syllable count” or something else. Oh and by the way, some dialects like West Country pronounce gift like it were spelled “yift”, because using a yod is the “original” pronunciation. Since your criteria seems to be if dialects pronounce it that way, that means I can go ahead and pronounce it like “yiff” and be correct in your eyes, no? Or, maybe, *maybe*, the “correct” pronunciation of a word is *THE MANY WAYS WHICH GROUPS CAN BE OBSERVED PRONOUNCING IT* rather than some arbitrary prescriptive “correct” way based on stupid and inconsistent arbitrarily made rules, and the idea of one being correct is completely subjectively defined and made up.\n
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          Also no, that’s not “how spelling works”, if it were then words like “gimbal” wouldn’t have 2 or more pronunciations (/dʒ/ vs /ɡ/ like in “ɡif”). Spelling is not tied to how language is pronounced, in English it’s roughly tied to how a few random Middle English to Early Modern English dialects spelled and pronounced it, which is extremely detached from how it’s pronounced today – most words used to have over a dozen spellings based on the writer and we created standards based off of multiple arbitrarily picked writing styles. You can pick out a few inconsistencies, but as I said the irregularities vastly outweigh the regularities. This is especially apparent when you look at words that contain strings like “gh”, “gi/ge/gy/ci/ce”, “oo”, actually anything at all with a vowel really.\n
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          And who are you to determine what a “slight” difference is? It’s all subjective. Someone with a thick welsh accent, or a rural southern Irish dialect, or who speaks Scottish English, or who has a thick north Indian accent, will have a hard time being understood by the average person who speaks e.g. an accent from the west coast US or Chicago. You can find many clips online where English MPs/politicians have a considerably hard time understanding Scottish people because of the linguistic differences.\n
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          By your logic, British people pronounce “schedule” wrong because they generally pronounce it starting with /ʃ/ (although both pronunciations are found and used), while Americans pronounce it with /sk/. I mean, who do they think they are, would you say “school” like that? Or “schematic”??? Or “schizophrenia”! They sound like those dirty Germans, pronouncing it differently than me… and other words that contain “sch” but are pronounced differently don’t count because… reasons? They’re way less common maybe? That’s how you sound right now.\n
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          In the same vain, most west Slovak speakers can understand Czech with little difficulty and vice versa. Actually Slovak speakers can interact with *most* slavic speakers to a good degree. By your logic, Slovak is correct Czech or Ukrainian, but Scottish English isn’t correct English. Hmmm…\n
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          You are silly for thinking that your pronunciation is “the correct” pronunciation. Your pronunciation is just as absurd as any other. Also people pronounce it with /dʒ/ because *it just makes sense*, and it generally is more common in certain areas of the country, you’re acting like /gɪf/ is the pronunciation people first think when they see the word.\n
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          **Also let’s use your logic on other acronyms.** NASA – well clearly /næ.sə/ is wronɡ, look at the other common word containing that sequence like “nasal”! Or how about LASER – well words like “eraser” and “chaser” disagree! Or yolo – “myology” and “embryology”. OSHA – “turboshaft” and “goshawk”. NATO– “senator”, “anatomy”, “urinatory”, “natoma”. How is GIF somehow the exception to not being consistent with pronunciation of words containing the same sequence of letters? Which by the way, as I pointed out with e.g. “spongiform”, *it is*, but even if you want to ignore that.\n
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          I don’t even care about you addressing the rest of my previous comment, I just want you to tell me, **do you really think you know better than the dictionary folks?** The people who’s job is basically deciding what is ““correct”” language? *The* prescriptive linguistic institutions?
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          > But, there are patterns to the language and using a soft “g” sound doesn’t follow those patterns, so it’s objectively a less correct pronunciation.\n
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          Who makes these mystical “rules” that English *surely* follows? And who says the patterns *you* see are objectively more correct, there are a ton of other words with “g”/“gi” that pronounce it with a /dʒ/, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to justify *one* of them being more correct. There is a point where you have to paint a massively arbitrary line to which patterns are more “correct”, it is a completely subjective matter.\n
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          > Who cares about that guy?\n
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          He’s the only one that can be considered an authority on how the word is pronounced LMAO.\n
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          > He made a mistake, he should have looked up how words are pronounced before trying to get people to mispronounce “gif”.\n
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          Pronunciation isn’t based on spelling, it’s the other way around. Writing is a tool made to accomodate language, and said writing isn’t a pronunciation guide. You’re lobotomized if you think otherwise, especially in English. But regardless, see below.\n
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          > If he’d said it was supposed to be pronounced “dug” people would have just ignored him, but his attempt wasn’t that absurd, it was just slightly wrong, so not everyone ignored him the way they should have.\n
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          But he *didn’t* pronounce it like “dug”. He pronounced it consistently with another common 3-letter word “gin”. Is “gin” wrong now? You can cope with being wrong all you want, but it doesn’t make you less wrong.\n
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          > It really sounds like you didn’t have friends. The rest of us did.\n
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          Yeah no that writing reads like a fake Reddit story, I refuse to believe even the dumbest teenagers would act like that.\n
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          The English writing system isn’t the English language, and the English writing system isn’t consistent enough to make estimations for a pronunciation like that. The only two words in the language that contain “gif” are “gift” and “fungiform”, plus derivatives of course, the latter of which is generally, by standard, pronounced with a /dʒ/ sound. If you think that’s enough basis to go off of to make rules for every other word containing “gif”, and then insist that your pronunciation is “correct”, that’s a you problem.\n
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          The same goes for any language – German has mostly-consistent generalized spelling conventions for the language that approximate pronunciation, but a LOT of common words break this convention, including “guken”, “orange”, the ending “-ig”, “toilette”, “vase”, etc. which are pronounced differently than their spelling would lead you to believe. In fact it is most common for Fremdwörter & Lehnwörter to not be spelled typically. Is every German speaker pronouncing those words wrong now? What about Italian languages, which often do the same thing but significantly more? You can look at less and less standardized languages that contain more and more irregularities, until you get to a language like English and see that the “irregularities” in the writing system completely outweigh any actual “regularities” you see and it becomes completely pointless to try to enforce a pronunciation based on a certain spelling. It’s why people learning a language like English or Tibetan or even Danish will have often cite the spelling as an extreme pain point (I can corroborate the first based on my experience teaching ESL), it is an inconsistent orthography where the spelling is almost entirely dependent on the etymology or something else, rather than any current pronunciation.\n
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          **It’s also convenient how you left out the entire part about the dictionaries.** Almost as if that was a silver bullet for your flawed argument and you can’t acknowledge it because it would make you look *too* crazy. Because the people who are the most looked up on for “correct” language by most English speakers say you’re wrong. Hmmm.\n
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          Present your argument on how English works to any linguists or even anyone who has *basic knowledge* of linguistics and you’ll be laughed out of the room.
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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165 DENIED ROLE_ADMIN 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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166 DENIED ROLE_MODERATOR 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details