GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@ddnomad@infosec.pub

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.103
Profiled on
Token
568d1c

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 8.42 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.08 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1361 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2082 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2140 …}
  +slug: "A-question-about-secure-chats"
  +title: "A question about secure chats"
  +url: "https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/1f303717-739e-4ca2-9aec-2edf248929a0.jpeg"
  +body: """
    Two questions.\n
    \n
    My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
    \n
    “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
    \n
    First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
    \n
    Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
    """
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 97
  +favouriteCount: 165
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1701543542 {#1739
    date: 2023-12-02 19:59:02.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2241 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2092 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2086 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2325 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2289 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2336 …}
  +children: [
    2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1673
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        > Switch to Telegram\n
        \n
        You know it’s not even E2EE by default, and when it is it uses a homegrown algo that is not exactly well spoken of? (at least V1)
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 31
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1702477138 {#1595
        date: 2023-12-13 15:18:58.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Thisfox@sopuli.xyz"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1559 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1567 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1561 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1528 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1582 …}
      -id: 176227
      -bodyTs: "'algo':21 'default':12 'e2ee':10 'even':9 'exact':25 'homegrown':20 'know':5 'least':30 'spoken':27 'switch':1 'telegram':3 'use':18 'v1':31 'well':26"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://infosec.pub/comment/4678843"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1702103629 {#1612
        date: 2023-12-09 07:33:49.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701247002 {#1606
        date: 2023-11-29 09:36:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 176227
    }
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1604
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1728 …}
      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#1673}
      +body: """
        Telegram’s servers are located in US, Singapore, Netherlands (and maybe some other countries) from what I’ve gathered. And all chats that are not E2EE’ed are stored there, encrypted at rest at best with keys in the same database, or somewhere else that can still be accessed in automated way. Maybe it is not even encrypted at rest.\n
        \n
        The point is, all those countries are either in 5 eyes or have information sharing agreements with 5 eyes countries. So as far as I’m concerned, TLAs can still have their fingers in those pies, in addition to Telegram’s overall shadiness and Russian ties. So maybe you get KGB strongman keeping a watch over your chats too.\n
        \n
        This is not something I’d have much confidence in to be honest.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701340389 {#1590
        date: 2023-11-30 11:33:09.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Thisfox@sopuli.xyz"
        "@ddnomad@infosec.pub"
        "@JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1726 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1723 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1731 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1597 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1618 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1626 …}
      -id: 180364
      -bodyTs: "'5':70,78 'access':49 'addit':98 'agreement':76 'autom':51 'best':35 'chat':22,118 'concern':87 'confid':128 'countri':14,66,80 'd':125 'databas':41 'e2ee':26 'ed':27 'either':68 'els':44 'encrypt':31,58 'even':57 'eye':71,79 'far':83 'finger':93 'gather':19 'get':110 'honest':132 'inform':74 'keep':113 'key':37 'kgb':111 'locat':5 'm':86 'mayb':11,53,108 'much':127 'netherland':9 'overal':102 'pie':96 'point':62 'rest':33,60 'russian':105 'server':3 'shadi':103 'share':75 'singapor':8 'someth':123 'somewher':43 'still':47,90 'store':29 'strongman':112 'telegram':1,100 'tie':106 'tlas':88 'us':7 've':18 'watch':115 'way':52"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://infosec.pub/comment/4708618"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701340389 {#1613
        date: 2023-11-30 11:33:09.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 180364
    }
    0 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1598
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1611 …}
      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#1673}
      +body: "And E2EE is only available on phones, circa a couple of years ago anyways"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 2
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701340568 {#1629
        date: 2023-11-30 11:36:08.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Thisfox@sopuli.xyz"
        "@ddnomad@infosec.pub"
        "@PupBiru@kbin.social"
        "@nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1616 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1705 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1692 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1686 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1680 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1683 …}
      -id: 180367
      -bodyTs: "'ago':13 'anyway':14 'avail':5 'circa':8 'coupl':10 'e2ee':2 'phone':7 'year':12"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://infosec.pub/comment/4708641"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701340568 {#1630
        date: 2023-11-30 11:36:08.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 180367
    }
  ]
  -id: 18107
  -titleTs: "'chat':5 'question':2 'secur':4"
  -bodyTs: "'actual':59 'alway':37 'brother':44,66 'chat':12 'claim':67 'communic':26 'copi':18 'devic':21 'doesn':93 'encrypt':51,61 'everyth':71 'famili':4,11 'first':56 'get':80 'insist':5 'isn':40,75 'keep':16 'like':98 'look':97 'looni':101 'make':95 'oh':48 'perfect':54 'proof':82,91 'protest':33 'question':2 'rave':100 'safe':63 'said':47 'second':72 'secur':42,55 'solv':70 'switch':86 'telegram':88 'told':38 'two':1 'use':7 'whatev':90 'whatsapp':8,49 'would':69"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1701327904
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://sopuli.xyz/post/6384610"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701241504 {#1648
    date: 2023-11-29 08:05:04.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1361 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2082 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2140 …}
  +slug: "A-question-about-secure-chats"
  +title: "A question about secure chats"
  +url: "https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/1f303717-739e-4ca2-9aec-2edf248929a0.jpeg"
  +body: """
    Two questions.\n
    \n
    My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
    \n
    “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
    \n
    First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
    \n
    Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
    """
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 97
  +favouriteCount: 165
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1701543542 {#1739
    date: 2023-12-02 19:59:02.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2241 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2092 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2086 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2325 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2289 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2336 …}
  +children: [
    2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1673
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        > Switch to Telegram\n
        \n
        You know it’s not even E2EE by default, and when it is it uses a homegrown algo that is not exactly well spoken of? (at least V1)
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 31
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1702477138 {#1595
        date: 2023-12-13 15:18:58.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Thisfox@sopuli.xyz"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1559 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1567 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1561 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1528 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1582 …}
      -id: 176227
      -bodyTs: "'algo':21 'default':12 'e2ee':10 'even':9 'exact':25 'homegrown':20 'know':5 'least':30 'spoken':27 'switch':1 'telegram':3 'use':18 'v1':31 'well':26"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://infosec.pub/comment/4678843"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1702103629 {#1612
        date: 2023-12-09 07:33:49.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701247002 {#1606
        date: 2023-11-29 09:36:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 176227
    }
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1604
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1728 …}
      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#1673}
      +body: """
        Telegram’s servers are located in US, Singapore, Netherlands (and maybe some other countries) from what I’ve gathered. And all chats that are not E2EE’ed are stored there, encrypted at rest at best with keys in the same database, or somewhere else that can still be accessed in automated way. Maybe it is not even encrypted at rest.\n
        \n
        The point is, all those countries are either in 5 eyes or have information sharing agreements with 5 eyes countries. So as far as I’m concerned, TLAs can still have their fingers in those pies, in addition to Telegram’s overall shadiness and Russian ties. So maybe you get KGB strongman keeping a watch over your chats too.\n
        \n
        This is not something I’d have much confidence in to be honest.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701340389 {#1590
        date: 2023-11-30 11:33:09.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Thisfox@sopuli.xyz"
        "@ddnomad@infosec.pub"
        "@JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world"
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      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1723 …}
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      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1597 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1618 …}
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      -id: 180364
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
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      +apId: "https://infosec.pub/comment/4708618"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701340389 {#1613
        date: 2023-11-30 11:33:09.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 180364
    }
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
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      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#1673}
      +body: "And E2EE is only available on phones, circa a couple of years ago anyways"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 2
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701340568 {#1629
        date: 2023-11-30 11:36:08.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Thisfox@sopuli.xyz"
        "@ddnomad@infosec.pub"
        "@PupBiru@kbin.social"
        "@nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1616 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1705 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1692 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1686 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1680 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1683 …}
      -id: 180367
      -bodyTs: "'ago':13 'anyway':14 'avail':5 'circa':8 'coupl':10 'e2ee':2 'phone':7 'year':12"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://infosec.pub/comment/4708641"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701340568 {#1630
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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          > Switch to Telegram\n
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          You know it’s not even E2EE by default, and when it is it uses a homegrown algo that is not exactly well spoken of? (at least V1)
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          Telegram’s servers are located in US, Singapore, Netherlands (and maybe some other countries) from what I’ve gathered. And all chats that are not E2EE’ed are stored there, encrypted at rest at best with keys in the same database, or somewhere else that can still be accessed in automated way. Maybe it is not even encrypted at rest.\n
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