Redirect 302 redirect from GET @entry_comment_create (d28ab7)

GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/m/linux@lemmy.ml/t/9049/Fedora-or-Mint-for-noob/oldest

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.88
Profiled on
Token
5c53d5

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
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2 
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5 
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6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
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8 
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9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
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12 
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13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
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Access decision log

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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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    A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
    \n
    Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
    \n
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    \n
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    \n
    What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
    \n
    EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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    I’ve only tried Ubuntu-based Mint, but LMDE is more future-proof so it will probably be that.
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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3 DENIED edit 
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      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
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    A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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    Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
    \n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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        Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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      I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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    If your want something that just works, Ubuntu is pretty hard to beat. Snaps are really not a big deal anymore, performance wise; a lot of the bad rap on slow startups etc. are from years (and many versions) ago.\n
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        Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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      I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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    > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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        Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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        It’s pretty new. Has wayland and pipewire. You can just enable a checkmark in the installer to install codecs. Uses Gnome, so a non-Windows like workflow. Pretty sure Eduroam would work there, as many schools use Ubuntu by default.
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      I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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    > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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        Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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      I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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    > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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          Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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        I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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      > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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          Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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          It’s pretty new. Has wayland and pipewire. You can just enable a checkmark in the installer to install codecs. Uses Gnome, so a non-Windows like workflow. Pretty sure Eduroam would work there, as many schools use Ubuntu by default.
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        I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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      > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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          Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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          It’s pretty new. Has wayland and pipewire. You can just enable a checkmark in the installer to install codecs. Uses Gnome, so a non-Windows like workflow. Pretty sure Eduroam would work there, as many schools use Ubuntu by default.
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        I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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      > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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          Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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      > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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            Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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        > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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    I expect Canonical going hard in the Snap direction leading up to 26.04. They are desperate given the fact that Flathub got a huge popularity boost thanks to SteamOS. I don’t think Ubuntu remixes will come out unscathed.
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            Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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        > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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        Those decision will trickle down to Ubuntu remixes like Mint eventually. Canonical’s plan is to replace as much as technically possible with Snaps. They just barely delayed shipping CUPS itself as Snap but it will come, so even a basic task like printing will rely on Snap. I don’t see Mint having manpower to package everything on their own, even if it’s “just” about porting Debian packages. Might just as well use LMDE right now.
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    > within a release or two mint may very well be only based on debian itself, with the way canonical is steering ubuntu.\n
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    I expect Canonical going hard in the Snap direction leading up to 26.04. They are desperate given the fact that Flathub got a huge popularity boost thanks to SteamOS. I don’t think Ubuntu remixes will come out unscathed.
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            Maybe stock Ubuntu?\n
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            It’s pretty new. Has wayland and pipewire. You can just enable a checkmark in the installer to install codecs. Uses Gnome, so a non-Windows like workflow. Pretty sure Eduroam would work there, as many schools use Ubuntu by default.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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        > generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes\n
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    > within a release or two mint may very well be only based on debian itself, with the way canonical is steering ubuntu.\n
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    I expect Canonical going hard in the Snap direction leading up to 26.04. They are desperate given the fact that Flathub got a huge popularity boost thanks to SteamOS. I don’t think Ubuntu remixes will come out unscathed.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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        > university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora\n
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        > university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      I recommend Mint.\n
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      Chances are your friend’s secondary laptop doesn’t have extra resources for Gnome to run smoothly. Sad thing is nowadays Gnome is very heavy and bloated.\n
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      Also, he may try both distros live-usb. Maybe he don’t care about Mint looking outdated. But if he does, you may try Fedora live-usb and check if university wifi works properly.\n
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      It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.
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    Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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    > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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    You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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        Chances are your friend’s secondary laptop doesn’t have extra resources for Gnome to run smoothly. Sad thing is nowadays Gnome is very heavy and bloated.\n
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      Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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      > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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        I recommend Mint.\n
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      Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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      > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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        I recommend Mint.\n
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        Chances are your friend’s secondary laptop doesn’t have extra resources for Gnome to run smoothly. Sad thing is nowadays Gnome is very heavy and bloated.\n
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        Also, he may try both distros live-usb. Maybe he don’t care about Mint looking outdated. But if he does, you may try Fedora live-usb and check if university wifi works properly.\n
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        It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.
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      Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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      > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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      You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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  +body: "Mint doesn’t have to look outdated if you put a little work into it. Check out this fellow’s rice in unixporn: [reddit.com/…/cinnamon_available_as_installable_is…](https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/17dwneg/cinnamon_available_as_installable_iso/)"
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    > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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    Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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        > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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        > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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        Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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          In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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        > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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        Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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      Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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    > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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    Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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          > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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            That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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        Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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      > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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              In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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              That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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              If you install the system for your friend you’re free to change the Desctop environment to everything you want.
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            > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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          Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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          It’s just straight-up better supported
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        > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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        Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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    > anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint\n
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    Addon repositories can cause incompatibilities. Random individually downloaded deb package here, some random PPA there, spice it up with the Mint add-on repo to Ubuntu, and you can end up with a broken system (let’s say I learned the hard way a good amount of years ago only to combine a few handpicked repos).
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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              In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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              That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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              If you install the system for your friend you’re free to change the Desctop environment to everything you want.
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            > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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          Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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          It’s just straight-up better supported
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        > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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        Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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    > anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint\n
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    Addon repositories can cause incompatibilities. Random individually downloaded deb package here, some random PPA there, spice it up with the Mint add-on repo to Ubuntu, and you can end up with a broken system (let’s say I learned the hard way a good amount of years ago only to combine a few handpicked repos).
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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              In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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              That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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          Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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          It’s just straight-up better supported
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        > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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        Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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    +body: "Anything that runs on Debian Bookworm works on LMDE 6, anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint"
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    > anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint\n
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    Addon repositories can cause incompatibilities. Random individually downloaded deb package here, some random PPA there, spice it up with the Mint add-on repo to Ubuntu, and you can end up with a broken system (let’s say I learned the hard way a good amount of years ago only to combine a few handpicked repos).
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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        In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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        That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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        If you install the system for your friend you’re free to change the Desctop environment to everything you want.
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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    > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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    > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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      > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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      > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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      That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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      > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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    > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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    Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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    Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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    > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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    That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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    > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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    Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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      > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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      That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release that has since gotten much fewer enhancements compared to Gnome (and Plasma).\n
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      > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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      That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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      > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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      When the WiFi relies on insecure encryption, the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem. The actual solution is for you university to update the WiFi encryption. In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.
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    > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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    Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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    Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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    > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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    That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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    > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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    Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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      > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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      That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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      > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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    > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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    Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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    Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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    > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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    That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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    Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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        > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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        That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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      > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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      Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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      Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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      > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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      Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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        That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release that has since gotten much fewer enhancements compared to Gnome (and Plasma).\n
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        > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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        That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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      > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
      \n
      Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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      Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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      > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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      That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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      > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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      Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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        That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release that has since gotten much fewer enhancements compared to Gnome (and Plasma).\n
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        > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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        That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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      > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
      \n
      Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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      Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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      > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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      That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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      Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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          > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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        > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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        Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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        > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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        That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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        > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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        Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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    > In case of Fedora they would have to upgrade it every 6 months.\n
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    The upgrading experience for Fedora Workstation is super smooth, on par with macOS, Android, and so on. Gnome Software just tells the user that a new version is available, the user clicks on the upgrade button and then it’s just waiting a bit and a reboot.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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          > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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          > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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          That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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        > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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        Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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        > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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        That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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        > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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        Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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    > In case of Fedora they would have to upgrade it every 6 months.\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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          > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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          > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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          That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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        > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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        Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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        > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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        That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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        > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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        Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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    > In case of Fedora they would have to upgrade it every 6 months.\n
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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        That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release that has since gotten much fewer enhancements compared to Gnome (and Plasma).\n
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        > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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        That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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      > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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      Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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      Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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      > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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      That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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      Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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    > Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players and reinstalling them through Flathub\n
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    Technically it’s not required to uninstall the default applications but obviously you’d still wanna do that to avoid clutter.\n
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    > Fedora should just preinstall everything as a flathub flatpak.\n
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    Even though not Fedora-based but that’s pretty much what I have on SteamOS: Firefox, VLC, etc. all from Flathub. Because of the 32bit dependencies, Flathub is my preferred way to install Steam on regular Linux distributions anyway (for obvious reasons not on SteamOS).
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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        > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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      > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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      Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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      Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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      > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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      Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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    > Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players and reinstalling them through Flathub\n
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    > Fedora should just preinstall everything as a flathub flatpak.\n
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    Even though not Fedora-based but that’s pretty much what I have on SteamOS: Firefox, VLC, etc. all from Flathub. Because of the 32bit dependencies, Flathub is my preferred way to install Steam on regular Linux distributions anyway (for obvious reasons not on SteamOS).
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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      I’ve only tried Ubuntu-based Mint, but LMDE is more future-proof so it will probably be that.
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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        That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release that has since gotten much fewer enhancements compared to Gnome (and Plasma).\n
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        > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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        That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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        When the WiFi relies on insecure encryption, the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem. The actual solution is for you university to update the WiFi encryption. In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.
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      > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
      \n
      Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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      Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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      > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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      That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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      > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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      Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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    > Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players and reinstalling them through Flathub\n
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    > Fedora should just preinstall everything as a flathub flatpak.\n
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    Even though not Fedora-based but that’s pretty much what I have on SteamOS: Firefox, VLC, etc. all from Flathub. Because of the 32bit dependencies, Flathub is my preferred way to install Steam on regular Linux distributions anyway (for obvious reasons not on SteamOS).
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    > That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release\n
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      > That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release\n
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      mate is what originally spawned from gnome 2. while cinnamon was built from gnome 3, it has been completely separated from it for a decade.\n
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      both are under active development, run current applications, and offer what would be described as a more 'traditional' desktop environment (compared to gnome shell or ubuntu's unity). they're both lighter-weight then gnome, with mate being a bit leaner than cinnamon.\n
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      mint would be my suggestion for op, and any of the default mint desktops, including their other option--xfce, would be suitable for op's use case.
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    > while cinnamon was built from gnome 3, it has been completely separated from it for a decade.\n
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    I followed Cinnamon’s git closely for years. The commit “[Renamed files to Cinnamon](https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/commit/80a525d024c81b2e3c292f27f1c1d70728fe5567)” was the last commit to the majority of files over years, despite the fact that Cinnamon had several formal releases in that time. It took literal years for its development to actually get off the ground and not just get some light touches in JavaScript files. The slow start reverberates until this day as you can see with its slow Wayland adoption and OP’s “Mint seems rather outdated” comment. IMO Cinnamon isn’t even the best choice for people who want a Windows7-like workflow. Gnome with [Dash to Panel](https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/) achieves the same with less technological legacy.
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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      > That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release\n
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      both are under active development, run current applications, and offer what would be described as a more 'traditional' desktop environment (compared to gnome shell or ubuntu's unity). they're both lighter-weight then gnome, with mate being a bit leaner than cinnamon.\n
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    > while cinnamon was built from gnome 3, it has been completely separated from it for a decade.\n
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    > both are under active development\n
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    I followed Cinnamon’s git closely for years. The commit “[Renamed files to Cinnamon](https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/commit/80a525d024c81b2e3c292f27f1c1d70728fe5567)” was the last commit to the majority of files over years, despite the fact that Cinnamon had several formal releases in that time. It took literal years for its development to actually get off the ground and not just get some light touches in JavaScript files. The slow start reverberates until this day as you can see with its slow Wayland adoption and OP’s “Mint seems rather outdated” comment. IMO Cinnamon isn’t even the best choice for people who want a Windows7-like workflow. Gnome with [Dash to Panel](https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/) achieves the same with less technological legacy.
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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        > However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated\n
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        > I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users.\n
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        That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        > Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work).\n
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      > That’s because Cinnamon is actually a fork of an ancient Gnome release\n
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      mate is what originally spawned from gnome 2. while cinnamon was built from gnome 3, it has been completely separated from it for a decade.\n
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      both are under active development, run current applications, and offer what would be described as a more 'traditional' desktop environment (compared to gnome shell or ubuntu's unity). they're both lighter-weight then gnome, with mate being a bit leaner than cinnamon.\n
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      mint would be my suggestion for op, and any of the default mint desktops, including their other option--xfce, would be suitable for op's use case.
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    > while cinnamon was built from gnome 3, it has been completely separated from it for a decade.\n
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    I followed Cinnamon’s git closely for years. The commit “[Renamed files to Cinnamon](https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/commit/80a525d024c81b2e3c292f27f1c1d70728fe5567)” was the last commit to the majority of files over years, despite the fact that Cinnamon had several formal releases in that time. It took literal years for its development to actually get off the ground and not just get some light touches in JavaScript files. The slow start reverberates until this day as you can see with its slow Wayland adoption and OP’s “Mint seems rather outdated” comment. IMO Cinnamon isn’t even the best choice for people who want a Windows7-like workflow. Gnome with [Dash to Panel](https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/) achieves the same with less technological legacy.
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