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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
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2 
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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# Result Attributes Object
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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2 DENIED moderate 
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        They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
        \n
        And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
        \n
        And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
        \n
        edit: Look, I think every car should be an EV. And I also think there shouldn’t be many cars because cars still suck. Both can be true.
        """
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        date: 2023-11-13 08:45:47.0 +01:00
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      +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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      +body: """
        But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
        \n
        If anything, switching to heavy EVs will increase the amount of pollution caused by cargo ships. Bringing up cargo ships makes no sense as a defense of EVs
        """
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      +body: """
        But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
        \n
        **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
        \n
        [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
        \n
        [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
        \n
        > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
        \n
        According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
        \n
        > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
        \n
        **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
        """
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        date: 2023-11-14 01:51:43.0 +01:00
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      +body: """
        Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
        \n
        > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
        \n
        **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
        """
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      +body: """
        It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
        \n
        [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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        > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
        \n
        I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
        """
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        I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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        You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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        They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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        And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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        And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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        But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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        But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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        **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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        [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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        [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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        > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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        According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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        **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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        Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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        **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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        It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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        [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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        I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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      +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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        I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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        You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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        Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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        They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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        And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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        And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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        But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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        But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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        [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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        According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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        Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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        It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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        [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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        I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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      +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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        I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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        You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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        Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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    And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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    And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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    edit: Look, I think every car should be an EV. And I also think there shouldn’t be many cars because cars still suck. Both can be true.
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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    And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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    And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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    edit: Look, I think every car should be an EV. And I also think there shouldn’t be many cars because cars still suck. Both can be true.
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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    They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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    And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          edit: Look, I think every car should be an EV. And I also think there shouldn’t be many cars because cars still suck. Both can be true.
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        +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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    If anything, switching to heavy EVs will increase the amount of pollution caused by cargo ships. Bringing up cargo ships makes no sense as a defense of EVs
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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    [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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    [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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    According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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    > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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    **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          If anything, switching to heavy EVs will increase the amount of pollution caused by cargo ships. Bringing up cargo ships makes no sense as a defense of EVs
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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    But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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    [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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    [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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    > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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    According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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    **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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        +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          If anything, switching to heavy EVs will increase the amount of pollution caused by cargo ships. Bringing up cargo ships makes no sense as a defense of EVs
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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    According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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    > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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    **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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    > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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    **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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    > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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    **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
    \n
    [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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    > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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    I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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    [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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    > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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    I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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    It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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    [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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    > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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    I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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        +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          If anything, switching to heavy EVs will increase the amount of pollution caused by cargo ships. Bringing up cargo ships makes no sense as a defense of EVs
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          edit: Look, I think every car should be an EV. And I also think there shouldn’t be many cars because cars still suck. Both can be true.
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        +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          [This Atlantic article](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/electric-vehicles-tires-wearing-out-particulates/674750/) discusses tire particulate increase from EVs:\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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    I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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    *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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    edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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        +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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    I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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    *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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    edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          edit: Look, I think every car should be an EV. And I also think there shouldn’t be many cars because cars still suck. Both can be true.
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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    I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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    *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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    edit: I also haven’t seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don’t doubt it’s still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          **edit:** There are literally dozens of articles about how EVs will produce more tire particulate pollution than ICEs.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          > New EV models tend to be heavier and quicker—generating more particulates and deepening the danger. In other words, EVs have a tire-pollution problem, and one that is poised to get worse as America begins to adopt electric cars en masse.\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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          *Literally no one* is arguing that EVs aren’t better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don’t understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It’s an inane argument.\n
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    You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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    Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we **also** need to transition society away from cars.
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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        +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          **edit:** this is not to say the tire particulate has the same greenhouse effect. Experts overwhelmingly agree that EVs are better for climate change. But EVs are still bad for the environment.
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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    You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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          They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.\n
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          And they give people an excuse to *not* move away from cars.\n
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          And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.\n
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        +body: "This should go without saying but what’s on your mind about a car doesn’t change how deadly it is when it hits you."
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          But those cargo ships exist whether we’re **also** driving a bunch of cars or not. It’s just totally orthogonal.\n
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          But massively increase tire dust, which is a much bigger source of air and water pollution than brake dust.\n
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          [Here is an article in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show) about how much worse tyre particulate pollution is than tailpipe exhaust.\n
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          According to [this Forbes article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          **edit:** To be clear, EVs are better than ICEs and every car should be an EV. But EVs also suck and we still need to transition away from car dependence.
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          Not only are they MUCH worse than brake dust, [tire pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions.](https://carbuzz.com/news/ev-tires-worse-for-the-environment-than-tailpipe-emissions)\n
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          > The comprehensive study has found that in everyday driving, particulate emissions from tires are 1,850 times greater than the equivalent exhaust emissions. This is only made worse by the heavier battery packs fitted to electric vehicles, which increase vehicle mass and, in turn, place further strain on the tires.\n
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          It’s even worse than I said. [Tire pollution is even worse than tailpipe pollution.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show)\n
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          [Another article from Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2023/06/24/more-efficient-less-polluting-tires-are-essential-for-electric-vehicles-says-enso/?sh=3cbca382ee2f):\n
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          > Tires were already a problem, but when we switch to electric cars, according to Michelin, we increase tire wear by up to 20%. According to Goodyear, it’s up to 50%. This is validated also in other research that we’ve seen.\n
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          I’m not seeing anything about how brake dust is nearly as big of a problem. Literally dozens of articles about how bad tire pollution is. I’m not even mentioning microplastics! Tires are the biggest source.
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        +body: "Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it’s better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse."
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          I was talking about tire dust being **worse** than brake dust. Was that a typo?\n
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    You’re right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about *air pollution* from tires. There are also *non-air pollution* consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.\n
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        The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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        This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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        That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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        If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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        Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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        Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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        Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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        Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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        Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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        You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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        Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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        The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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        This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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        This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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        That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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        Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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        One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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        If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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        Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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        Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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        Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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        Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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        Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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        You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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        Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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        The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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        This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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        This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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        That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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        Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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        One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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        If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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        Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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        Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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        Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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        Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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        Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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        You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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        Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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    This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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    This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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    This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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    This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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    This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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    This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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    Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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    One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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    Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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    One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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    Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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    One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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    If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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    Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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    Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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    Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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    Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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    Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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    Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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    Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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    Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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    Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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    Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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          Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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    Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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    Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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    Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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    You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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    Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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    You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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    Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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          The entire field of evolutionary psychology debunked? Do you mean the idea that our brains are subject to evolutionary forces like every other part of our anatomy? No, not debunked.\n
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          This is conflating specific methodological problems with theoretical claims. Yes, many have criticized the game theoretical methodology typical of evolutionary psychology. There are a lot of highly speculative junk claims out there. It’s also true that *some* (not all or even most!) cognitive scientists think that we cannot take the perspective that psychology evolved at all. But it is certainly untrue that there is some consensus that evolutionary psychology has been “debunked”.\n
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          This criticism is also a bit ironic given the highly speculative nature of the claims you put forward. Your guess sounds plausible I suppose, but I see no reason to think it’s any more methodologically rigorous.
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          That’s not how science works. I understand that you’re trying to criticize the field, but lack of predictions, even reliable ones, is not itself a problem it has. For one thing, even false theories can make reliable predictions, like Levoisier’s defunct theory of [caloric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory) in the 18th century which has now been replaced by modern thermodynamics. The caloric theory can be used to make mathematically accurate predictions, but the underlying theory is still wrong.\n
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          Similarly, evo psych can make a lot of reliable predictions without saying anything true. On the contrary, one criticism of the field is that it’s unfalsifiable because an evolutionary theory can always (allegedly) be proposed to fit the data. Which is to say, you’re barking up the wrong tree.\n
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          One example: it is proposed that the [fusiform face area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area) of the brain is a domain specific module evolved for face detection. It’s present in other animals that recognize conspecifics by their face. In humans, damage to the area leads to face specific agnosia. The theory makes accurate predictions, but is it true? It’s still being debated.
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          If you actually take a graduate level course on scientific methodology or on the philosophy of science, you will learn that “falsifiability” is no longer a viable standard for scientific validity. This is because, logically, no claim is falsifiable: one can always adjust background beliefs to evade a logical contradiction. See [the Duheim-Quine thesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis).\n
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          Moreover, if your argument were correct, we would have to reject evolutionary inferences altogether! What you say about the cognitive system is true for, e.g. the immune system or the endocrine system. But that’s ridiculous. Evolutionary claims are part of the bedrock of the so-called Modern Synthesis in the biological sciences of the last hundred years. Yours is similar to bad arguments made by creationists.\n
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          Your “No True Scotsman” response is just deeply confused about what evolutionary psychology even is. What a mess.
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          Ugh, your comments are everything I hate about the internet. Both of us know that only one us does research on cognitive science, and it’s not you. Yet, because it’s the internet, you think you can get by with bluster and false confidence.\n
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          Of the many mistakes you make: No cognitive neuroscientist would say, without **huge** caveats, that we can’t make deep comparisons between animal and human brains — not after all the groundbreaking work finding deep functional similarities between bird brains and human brains in the last 10 years. These are groundbreaking findings in comparative neurology, and it’s pretty obvious you know nothing about them. You go on to propose a standard of evidence which require that we can predict protein synthesis based on genetic variances, which is laughable. You also seem to be completely unaware of phylogenetic analysis, which is actually the standard way we make many of our evolutionary inferences.\n
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          Look, I’m not even an evolutionary psychologist. I have no skin in that game. But I do hate bullshit artists on the internet.
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    You seem to be confused. My claim is not that there are no challenges or criticisms to evolutionary psychology, or that the topic isn’t very hard to study. It’s that these are live debates in a live field because that’s how science works. It is misunderstanding and arrogance like yours that spreads misinformation online.\n
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    Your argument is akin to saying “something is hard to study so it doesn’t exist”. We can’t get evidence for how psychology evolved, so psychology didn’t evolve. This was the mistake of radical behaviourists like B.F. Skinner, who thought internal cognitive states were impossible to measure, so cognition must not exist. That is obviously an error in inference, but also a lack of imagination.
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