GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@kpw@kbin.social/active/2023-12-02::2023-12-02

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.122
Profiled on
Token
7751fa

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 7.19 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.06 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2371 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2025 …}
  +slug: "Switching-to-more-privacy-friendly-alternatives"
  +title: "Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
    \n
    **example:** I’d love to switch to Signal only but everyone I know only uses WhatsApp. I’ve mentioned switching to people in the past but it’s always the same response (I don’t have anything to hide)
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 57
  +favouriteCount: 64
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722499106 {#2452
    date: 2024-08-01 09:58:26.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2018 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2012 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2026 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2088 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2063 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2129 …}
  +children: [
    4 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1595
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1654 …}
      +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701474556 {#1430
        date: 2023-12-02 00:49:16.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@governorkeagan@lemdro.id"
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@LWD@lemm.ee"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1679 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1668 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1666 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1669 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1549 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1573 …}
      -id: 186963
      -bodyTs: "'5':21 'affect':13 'anyon':14 'check':3,18 'go':11 'mayb':25 'often':5 'pleas':15 'second':24 'time':22 'want':7"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/669294/-/comment/3888327"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701474556 {#1429
        date: 2023-12-02 00:49:16.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 186963
    }
    3 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1564
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1559 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1654 …}
      +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701479374 {#1584
        date: 2023-12-02 02:09:34.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@governorkeagan@lemdro.id"
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@LWD@lemm.ee"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1525 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1566 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1554 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1556 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1555 …}
      -id: 187223
      -bodyTs: "'celebr':19 'check':4 'compat':8 'decad':21 'great':1 'internet':11 'interoper':23 'll':3,15 'signal':6 'standard':12 'tag':16 'without':22"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/669294/-/comment/3889524"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701479374 {#1548
        date: 2023-12-02 02:09:34.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 187223
    }
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      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1559 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1654 …}
      +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701479441 {#1620
        date: 2023-12-02 02:10:41.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@governorkeagan@lemdro.id"
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@LWD@lemm.ee"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1596 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1702 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1683 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1680 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1686 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1692 …}
      -id: 187228
      -bodyTs: "'appli':13 'bodi':25 'care':2 'contribut':19 'exact':20 'lot':4 'noth':21 'omemo':8 'signal':17 'standard':6,24 'yet':9"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/669294/-/comment/3889543"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701479441 {#1613
        date: 2023-12-02 02:10:41.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 187228
    }
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1616
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1611 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1654 …}
      +body: """
        Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
        \n
        Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
        \n
        - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
        - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
        - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
        - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
        - its implementations aren't compatible with the existing internet standard XMPP
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701482279 {#1705
        date: 2023-12-02 02:57:59.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@governorkeagan@lemdro.id"
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@LWD@lemm.ee"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1598 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1629 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1626 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1618 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1597 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1731 …}
      -id: 187375
      -bodyTs: "'/@grapheneos/111124199813920310':62 '/post/8941217':68 '/why-not-matrix-08-07':65 'aren':88 'better':33,51 'capit':78 'choic':34,41 'compat':90 'condit':13 'current':82 'depend':73 'ecosystem':70 'exist':93 'fund':79 'grapheneos.social':61 'grapheneos.social/@grapheneos/111124199813920310':60 'great':22,26 'implement':20,87 'internet':94 'interoper':1 'lemmy.world':67 'lemmy.world/post/8941217':66 'loos':84 'matrix':29 'modern':18 'money':85 'most':72 'much':32 'necessari':12 'offer':39 'privaci':23 'properti':24,28 'provid':40 'signal':17,36 'sinc':37 'singl':76 'standard':3,95 'startup':80 'sure':47 'sustain':15,27,59 'telegra.ph':64 'telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07':63 'term':55 'unlik':16 'usabl':57 'ventur':77 'virtu':8 'wouldn':44 'xmpp':19,53,96"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/669294/-/comment/3890119"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701482279 {#1711
        date: 2023-12-02 02:57:59.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 187375
    }
    0 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1721
      +user: App\Entity\User {#263 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1726 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1654 …}
      +body: """
        It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
        \n
        You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701486560 {#1723
        date: 2023-12-02 04:09:20.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@governorkeagan@lemdro.id"
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@LWD@lemm.ee"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1728 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1730 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1734 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1727 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1733 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1724 …}
      -id: 187602
      -bodyTs: "'also':95 'argu':117 'bad':89 'behind':67 'better':135 'bridg':54 'build':79 'clash':4 'client':51 'combin':125 'compani':66 'complet':141 'cook':72 'doesn':2 'encrypt':42,62 'end':25,59,61 'end-to-end':58 'exampl':35 'exist':84 'factor':106 'fail':142 'first':138 'fragment':28 'handl':57 'imposs':38 'improv':83 'instead':77 'internet':85 'interoper':33,91,122 'invent':12 'investor':22 'keep':9 'm':115 'matrix':46,53,68 'messag':43 'multipl':105 'one':113,139,145 'perform':127,133 'play':108 'privaci':93,119 'protocol':76 're':11 're-inv':10 'second':144 'seem':96 'sell':21 'send':40 'shini':18 'signal':132 'sinc':52 'singl':112 'slight':134 'standard':86 'startup':8 'terribl':31 'thing':19 'thus':82 'troubl':99 'understand':100 'use':48 'user':47 'well':128 'wheel':14 'xmpp':50,126"
      +ranking: 0
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      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/669294/-/comment/3891018"
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        date: 2023-12-02 04:09:20.0 +01:00
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  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701390971 {#1709
    date: 2023-12-01 01:36:11.0 +01:00
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   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1578
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2371 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1575 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2025 …}
  +slug: "Switching-to-more-privacy-friendly-alternatives"
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  +url: null
  +body: """
    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
    \n
    **example:** I’d love to switch to Signal only but everyone I know only uses WhatsApp. I’ve mentioned switching to people in the past but it’s always the same response (I don’t have anything to hide)
    """
  +type: "article"
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  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 57
  +favouriteCount: 64
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722499106 {#2452
    date: 2024-08-01 09:58:26.0 +02:00
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  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2063 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2129 …}
  +children: [
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      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652 …}
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      +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
      +lang: "en"
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      +score: 0
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        date: 2023-12-02 00:49:16.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
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        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@LWD@lemm.ee"
      ]
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      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1668 …}
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      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1549 …}
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        date: 2023-12-02 00:49:16.0 +01:00
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        Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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        Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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        - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
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        It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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        Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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        Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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        - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
        - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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        It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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    Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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    Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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    Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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    It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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    It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
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