GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@LeFantome@programming.dev/newest/2023-11-28::2023-11-28

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.103
Profiled on
Token
782d7c

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
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  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
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    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
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  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1613
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2377 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1572 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2328 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2135 …}
  +slug: "Red-Hat-Enterprise-Linux-10-Dropping-The-X-Org-Server-Except"
  +title: "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 Dropping The X.Org Server Except For XWayland"
  +url: "https://www.phoronix.com/news/RHEL10-Removing-X.Org"
  +body: """
    > Red Hat has formally confirmed what many were thinking: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 will be doing away with X.Org Server support aside from XWayland.\n
    \n
    > For those making use of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 in a desktop setting, RHEL10 due for release in H1’2025 will be Wayland-focused. X11 client support will only come via XWayland.\n
    \n
    > This does also further solidify the X.Org Server in effect being dead upstream. Red Hat engineers were typically the ones managing new X.Org Server releases as well as carrying on with various bits of development.
    """
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  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 23
  +favouriteCount: 179
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
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    date: 2023-12-03 21:13:10.0 +01:00
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  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
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  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2338 …}
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  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2052 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2106 …}
  +children: [
    3 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1620
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1613 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1572 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
        \n
        I understood RHEL9 to already be Wayland based and so I was expecting the clock to runout on Xorg when RHEL8 went off support. RHEL9 does default to Wayland but it sounds like Xorg remained a fully supported option for those that wanted it. The move to Wayland only being proposed for RHEL10 did not happen on RHEL9.\n
        \n
        RHEL8 goes off support in 2029 but RHEL9 is supported until 2032. The implications of this article are that Red Hat will not put much energy into Xorg after 2025 ( RHEL10 ) but they will still have to support their customers. This at least means security fixes but it likely means continued viability of modern hardware to a certain extent as well.\n
        \n
        Regardless, this also highlights one of the “hidden”‘contributions of Red Hat and how much the entire ecosystem relies on them. This can be seen as good or bad but I wish the public debate involving them would at least accurately reflect it.
        """
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        date: 2023-12-17 11:47:03.0 +01:00
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      +apId: "https://programming.dev/comment/5253384"
      +editedAt: null
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        date: 2023-11-28 17:23:01.0 +01:00
      }
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1613 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1572 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1616 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1611 …}
      +body: "Waypipe addresses forwarding. The major Wayland compositors support either RDP or VNC already I believe."
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      +lastActive: DateTime @1701198651 {#1795
        date: 2023-11-28 20:10:51.0 +01:00
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        "@pnutzh4x0r@lemmy.ndlug.org"
        "@Laser@feddit.de"
        "@socphoenix@midwest.social"
      ]
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      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1618 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1597 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1731 …}
      -id: 174502
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
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      +apId: "https://programming.dev/comment/5257341"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701198651 {#1705
        date: 2023-11-28 20:10:51.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 174502
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      +body: """
        I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
        \n
        Xwayland is really just Xorg and Xwayland continues to be supported in RHEL10 and beyond.\n
        \n
        Xorg and Wayland compositors have grown together in some ways. Both now use libinput, libdrm, and KMS for example. Those are not going away.\n
        \n
        Xwayland is really just Xorg adapted to talk to Wayland instead of KMS and libinput. It is mostly the same code. So, Xorg will continue to benefit from the care and attention that Xwayland gets. Perhaps there may not be many new features but the code is not going to bit rot and security will continue to be addressed. While Xwayland does not use libinput or KMS, the Wayland compositor itself will, so those pieces are also going to be maintained including new features and new hardware support. Mesa is a common component as well.\n
        \n
        So, while Red Hat may stop coordinating releases of Xorg at some point, a surprising amount of the code will still be actively maintained and current. It may not take a lot of work for somebody else to take over and bundle it up as a release.\n
        \n
        What will probably kill Xorg is lack of demand.\n
        \n
        Despite the anti-Wayland chatter, the migration to Wayland looks like it will gain substantial momentum this year and next and not only on Linux. Three to five years from now, the number of people that still care about Xorg ( as the primary display server - not as Xwayland ) may be very small indeed. Obviously it will be running on older systems for a long, long time but, ten years from now, installing Xorg on a new system is likely to be very rare ( like CP/M now rare ).\n
        \n
        Red Hat may end up being one of the very last players that cares about Xorg after 2030. My guess is that most of the current never-Wayland crowd will have moved to it long before then.
        """
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      +score: 0
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        date: 2023-11-28 20:35:53.0 +01:00
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      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1733 …}
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      +ranking: 0
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      +editedAt: null
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        date: 2023-11-28 20:35:53.0 +01:00
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      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1572 …}
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      +body: """
        For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
        \n
        Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
        \n
        That said, different users will want different things and, unlike X, Wayland allows competing compositors to address different communities. Some compositors will lack features some users want while offering features that other users need. A composite targeting embedded use cases may not need multi-monitor or fractional scaling features for example. A security focussed option may think that global hot-keys and external lock-screens are anti-features. I think the Wayland world could be quite interesting.
        """
      +lang: "en"
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      +favouriteCount: 7
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      +lastActive: DateTime @1701200776 {#1715
        date: 2023-11-28 20:46:16.0 +01:00
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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3 DENIED edit 
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    > Red Hat has formally confirmed what many were thinking: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 will be doing away with X.Org Server support aside from XWayland.\n
    \n
    > For those making use of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 in a desktop setting, RHEL10 due for release in H1’2025 will be Wayland-focused. X11 client support will only come via XWayland.\n
    \n
    > This does also further solidify the X.Org Server in effect being dead upstream. Red Hat engineers were typically the ones managing new X.Org Server releases as well as carrying on with various bits of development.
    """
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        This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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        I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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        For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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        Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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        I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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        For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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        Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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          Xwayland is really just Xorg and Xwayland continues to be supported in RHEL10 and beyond.\n
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          Xorg and Wayland compositors have grown together in some ways. Both now use libinput, libdrm, and KMS for example. Those are not going away.\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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          Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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    This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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          Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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          Xwayland is really just Xorg and Xwayland continues to be supported in RHEL10 and beyond.\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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          Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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    This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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    I understood RHEL9 to already be Wayland based and so I was expecting the clock to runout on Xorg when RHEL8 went off support. RHEL9 does default to Wayland but it sounds like Xorg remained a fully supported option for those that wanted it. The move to Wayland only being proposed for RHEL10 did not happen on RHEL9.\n
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          This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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          This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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          Xwayland is really just Xorg and Xwayland continues to be supported in RHEL10 and beyond.\n
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          Xorg and Wayland compositors have grown together in some ways. Both now use libinput, libdrm, and KMS for example. Those are not going away.\n
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          What will probably kill Xorg is lack of demand.\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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          Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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          This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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          Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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          Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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    I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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    Xwayland is really just Xorg and Xwayland continues to be supported in RHEL10 and beyond.\n
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    Xorg and Wayland compositors have grown together in some ways. Both now use libinput, libdrm, and KMS for example. Those are not going away.\n
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    Xwayland is really just Xorg adapted to talk to Wayland instead of KMS and libinput. It is mostly the same code. So, Xorg will continue to benefit from the care and attention that Xwayland gets. Perhaps there may not be many new features but the code is not going to bit rot and security will continue to be addressed. While Xwayland does not use libinput or KMS, the Wayland compositor itself will, so those pieces are also going to be maintained including new features and new hardware support. Mesa is a common component as well.\n
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    What will probably kill Xorg is lack of demand.\n
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    Despite the anti-Wayland chatter, the migration to Wayland looks like it will gain substantial momentum this year and next and not only on Linux. Three to five years from now, the number of people that still care about Xorg ( as the primary display server - not as Xwayland ) may be very small indeed. Obviously it will be running on older systems for a long, long time but, ten years from now, installing Xorg on a new system is likely to be very rare ( like CP/M now rare ).\n
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    Red Hat may end up being one of the very last players that cares about Xorg after 2030. My guess is that most of the current never-Wayland crowd will have moved to it long before then.
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          This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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    I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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    Xwayland is really just Xorg and Xwayland continues to be supported in RHEL10 and beyond.\n
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    What will probably kill Xorg is lack of demand.\n
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    Despite the anti-Wayland chatter, the migration to Wayland looks like it will gain substantial momentum this year and next and not only on Linux. Three to five years from now, the number of people that still care about Xorg ( as the primary display server - not as Xwayland ) may be very small indeed. Obviously it will be running on older systems for a long, long time but, ten years from now, installing Xorg on a new system is likely to be very rare ( like CP/M now rare ).\n
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    Red Hat may end up being one of the very last players that cares about Xorg after 2030. My guess is that most of the current never-Wayland crowd will have moved to it long before then.
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          This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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          For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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    I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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      > Red Hat has formally confirmed what many were thinking: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 will be doing away with X.Org Server support aside from XWayland.\n
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          This actually makes it sound like Xorg will be supported longer than I thought.\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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    For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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    Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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    For many uses, Wayland has feature parity now or is even the superior option. That is how it can be the default on so many systems ( including RHEL9 as per the article ).\n
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    Compositors that do not provide the features that uses want will fail to compete ( what you mean by become useless I assume ).\n
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          I thought this as well but the more I think about it, the less true this seems. From an engineering point of view, it could last longer.\n
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