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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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+body: "This is false. Protonmail has supported Web Key Discovery for external domains since 2019: [proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019](https://proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019)"
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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+body: "This is false. Protonmail has supported Web Key Discovery for external domains since 2019: [proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019](https://proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019)"
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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+body: "This is false. Protonmail has supported Web Key Discovery for external domains since 2019: [proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019](https://proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019)"
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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+body: "This is false. Protonmail has supported Web Key Discovery for external domains since 2019: [proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019](https://proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019)"
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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+body: "This is false. Protonmail has supported Web Key Discovery for external domains since 2019: [proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019](https://proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019)"
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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+body: "This is false. Protonmail has supported Web Key Discovery for external domains since 2019: [proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019](https://proton.me/blog/security-updates-2019)"
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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So PM claims it has on the order of 10^8 users. Let’s assume each user has one email address with one public ed25519 key, both of which are likely false.\n
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Each key is 32Byte; `32B * 10^8 = 3.2GB`.\n
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Could someone do the math how much fiat it’d take to store such an enormous amount of data on the Ethereum or monero blockchains?
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> Proton Mail, the leading privacy-focused email service, is making its first foray into blockchain technology with Key Transparency, which will allow users to verify email addresses. From a report: In an interview with Fortune, CEO and founder Andy Yen made clear that although the new feature uses blockchain, the key technology behind crypto, Key Transparency isn’t “some sketchy cryptocurrency” linked to an “exit scam.” A student of cryptography, Yen added that the new feature is “blockchain in a very pure form,” and it allows the platform to solve the thorny issue of ensuring that every email address actually belongs to the person who’s claiming it.\n
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> Proton Mail uses end-to-end encryption, a secure form of communication that ensures only the intended recipient can read the information. Senders encrypt an email using their intended recipient’s public key – a long string of letters and numbers – which the recipient can then decrypt with their own private key. The issue, Yen said, is ensuring that the public key actually belongs to the intended recipient. “Maybe it’s the NSA that has created a fake public key linked to you, and I’m somehow tricked into encrypting data with that public key,” he told Fortune. In the security space, the tactic is known as a “man-in-the-middle attack,” like a postal worker opening your bank statement to get your social security number and then resealing the envelope.\n
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> Blockchains are an immutable ledger, meaning any data initially entered onto them can’t be altered. Yen realized that putting users’ public keys on a blockchain would create a record ensuring those keys actually belonged to them – and would be cross-referenced whenever other users send emails. “In order for the verification to be trusted, it needs to be public, and it needs to be unchanging,” Yen said.\n
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Curious if anyone here would use a feature like this? It sounds neat but I don’t think I’m going to be needing a feature like this on a day-to-day basis, though I could see use cases for folks handling sensitive information.
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> [Voting](infosec.pub/c/blockchainvoting) is another concept that would become unhackable overnight\n
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No. Voting on the blockchain is an even worse idea than money on the blockchain.\n
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In many cases, there are good reasons why these things are done they way they are. I have yet to see a software system that is better at preventing voter fraud than humans looking at your government-issued ID at a poll site and humans overseeing other humans manually counting votes.\n
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A single actor might be able to commit voter fraud in the order of dozes or hundreds of votes perhaps but with a digital voting system based on blockchain, they could do so on the order of thousands or even millions by compromising end-user devices used for voting or buy enough work/stake/whatever to perform a 51% attack.\n
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Same goes for money btw. Our current system is by far not a perfect one but removing the ability for governments to i.e. freeze accounts of bad actors is not a boon.
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> nobody’s made a solution that is simple and effective\n
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This one isn’t that either by the looks of it but it’s certainly a problem where something like blockchain could provide a solution.
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> Homomorphic encryption enables votes to be both public and obfuscated at the same time.\n
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That’s nice but has nothing to do with voter fraud prevention.\n
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I will not reply to the stupid ad hominem. You have made it exceptionally clear that you have no idea what my political views are.
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Heya folks, some people online told me I was doing partitions wrong, but I’ve been doing it this way for years. Since I’ve been doing it for years, I could be doing it in an outdated way, so I thought I should ask.\n
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I have separate partitions for EFI, `/`, swap, and `/home`. Am I doing it wrong? Here’s how my partition table looks like:\n
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I set it up this way so that if I need to reinstall Linux, I can just overwrite `/` while preserving `/home` and just keep working after a new install with very few hiccups. Someone told me there’s no reason to use multiple partitions, but several times I have needed to reinstall the OS (Linux Mint) while preserving `/home` so this advice makes zero sense for me. But maybe it was just explained to me wrong and I really am doing it in an outdated way. I’d like to read what you say about this though.
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What you’re doing is perfectly fine.\n
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It is however more of a mitigation for bad distro installers than general good practice. If the distro installers preserved `/home`, you could keep it all in one partition. Because such “bad” distro installers still exist, it is good practice if you know that you might install such a distro.\n
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If you were installing “manually” and had full control over this, I’d advocate for a single partition because it simplifies storage. Especially with the likes of btrfs you can have multiple storage locations inside one partition with decent separation between them.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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`ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/`\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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Then, install base-devel and git\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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`useradd -m -G wheel user && passwd user` and set your password Then we need the user to able to act as superuser. So, we edit `visudo` and add this line at the bottom: `user ALL=(ALL:ALL)ALL` save it and press ctrl + alt + f3, login as user you just set. Clone the bcache-tools AUR repo: `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/bcache-tools.git && cd bcache-tools`\n
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If you want you can inspect the PKGBUILD, but we will proceed to make it, type:\n
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`makepkg -sri`\n
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Once it is done, it will throw error about vmliuz is not found, but the package itself is installed, you just need to tell the kernel to load it. We can achieve that by executing:\n
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`sudo modprobe bcache && sudo partprobe`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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`make-bcache -C /dev/nvme0n1p1`\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
\n
Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
\n
That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
\n
Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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`makepkg -sri`\n
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`sudo modprobe bcache && sudo partprobe`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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Example of the output is:\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
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Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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`ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/`\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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Then, install base-devel and git\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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`useradd -m -G wheel user && passwd user` and set your password Then we need the user to able to act as superuser. So, we edit `visudo` and add this line at the bottom: `user ALL=(ALL:ALL)ALL` save it and press ctrl + alt + f3, login as user you just set. Clone the bcache-tools AUR repo: `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/bcache-tools.git && cd bcache-tools`\n
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If you want you can inspect the PKGBUILD, but we will proceed to make it, type:\n
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`makepkg -sri`\n
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Once it is done, it will throw error about vmliuz is not found, but the package itself is installed, you just need to tell the kernel to load it. We can achieve that by executing:\n
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`sudo modprobe bcache && sudo partprobe`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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`make-bcache -C /dev/nvme0n1p1`\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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Example of the output is:\n
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`cset.uuid fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b`\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
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Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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`ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/`\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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If you want you can inspect the PKGBUILD, but we will proceed to make it, type:\n
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`sudo modprobe bcache && sudo partprobe`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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`make-bcache -C /dev/nvme0n1p1`\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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Example of the output is:\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
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Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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Then the cache.\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
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Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
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Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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`ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/`\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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Then, install base-devel and git\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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`useradd -m -G wheel user && passwd user` and set your password Then we need the user to able to act as superuser. So, we edit `visudo` and add this line at the bottom: `user ALL=(ALL:ALL)ALL` save it and press ctrl + alt + f3, login as user you just set. Clone the bcache-tools AUR repo: `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/bcache-tools.git && cd bcache-tools`\n
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If you want you can inspect the PKGBUILD, but we will proceed to make it, type:\n
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`makepkg -sri`\n
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Once it is done, it will throw error about vmliuz is not found, but the package itself is installed, you just need to tell the kernel to load it. We can achieve that by executing:\n
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`sudo modprobe bcache && sudo partprobe`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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`make-bcache -C /dev/nvme0n1p1`\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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`bcache-super-show /dev/nvme0n1p1 |grep cset.uuid`\n
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Example of the output is:\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
\n
Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
\n
Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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`ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/`\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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Then, install base-devel and git\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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`useradd -m -G wheel user && passwd user` and set your password Then we need the user to able to act as superuser. So, we edit `visudo` and add this line at the bottom: `user ALL=(ALL:ALL)ALL` save it and press ctrl + alt + f3, login as user you just set. Clone the bcache-tools AUR repo: `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/bcache-tools.git && cd bcache-tools`\n
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If you want you can inspect the PKGBUILD, but we will proceed to make it, type:\n
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`makepkg -sri`\n
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Once it is done, it will throw error about vmliuz is not found, but the package itself is installed, you just need to tell the kernel to load it. We can achieve that by executing:\n
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`sudo modprobe bcache && sudo partprobe`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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`make-bcache -C /dev/nvme0n1p1`\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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`bcache-super-show /dev/nvme0n1p1 |grep cset.uuid`\n
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Example of the output is:\n
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`cset.uuid fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b`\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
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Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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Okay, I love Linux. But I always surprised that I can love Linux ever more everyday. The possibility is basically endless!\n
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I asked about raid0 last week and got a lot of helpful answers. However, this[ answer ](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5577205)from [d3Xter](https://lemmy.ml/u/d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz) really helped me figures how I actually want to [configure my system](https://lemmy.ml/post/7585833). I decided to buy 2x500GB HDD and 120GB NVME SSD. It’s cheap, very cheap. Like $15 total. If there is anything wrong with them, I lost nothing. But boy did I get surprised. I tested BG3, a game that requires SSD to perform well and I see no difference between my old SSD and my new setup. It loads as fast (well, maybe 10-15s slower, but who cares?), and I do not need to wait for the textures to load, at all. Boot time is amazing. I notice no difference at all between this HDD and my last SSD setup. Which is insane!\n
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But the installation is confusing as hell. I write this pseudo-guide for anyone intersted.\n
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FIRST: DO NOT STORE ANY DATA IN THIS SETUP FOR ANYTHING REMOTE TO IMPORTANT!\n
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I favor performance for the cheapest possible above all else. Unless you want to buy 4 HDD to get raid10, do not store anything other than games and your apps on it. Do not use raid5 in this setup, [it sucks.](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad)\n
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Second: Get yourself an Arch live USB stick with at least 8GB (4 might works, but smallest one I have is 8GB). I think you can use it on other distro, but Arch is the easiest if you want to install IT on the bcache drive. And make sure you booted into UEFI by typing:\n
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`ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/`\n
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Third: Installing bcache. After you have internet on your live system, remount your live iso so we can use the AUR.\n
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`mount -o remount,size=8G /run/archiso/cowspace`\n
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Then, install base-devel and git\n
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If you have slow internet, you can go to 2nd tty by pressing ctrl + alt + f2 and login as root there to do the next step, otherwise wait for the process to finish. We need to setup a user since makepkg wont run on root. So, type:\n
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`useradd -m -G wheel user && passwd user` and set your password Then we need the user to able to act as superuser. So, we edit `visudo` and add this line at the bottom: `user ALL=(ALL:ALL)ALL` save it and press ctrl + alt + f3, login as user you just set. Clone the bcache-tools AUR repo: `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/bcache-tools.git && cd bcache-tools`\n
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If you want you can inspect the PKGBUILD, but we will proceed to make it, type:\n
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`makepkg -sri`\n
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Once it is done, it will throw error about vmliuz is not found, but the package itself is installed, you just need to tell the kernel to load it. We can achieve that by executing:\n
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`sudo modprobe bcache && sudo partprobe`\n
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Fouth: Configuring the bcache, btrfs, and raid0 List your drive with `lsblk` identify your HDD and your SSD. Let’s say in this instance, we have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as our HDD and /dev/nvme0n1 as our SSD. I use cfdisk to partition my drive, but you can use whatever you want. I make one partition for both HDD, sda1 and sdb1, and make 3 partitions for my SSD. DO NOT FORMATI IT YET. /dev/sda1 : 500 GB HDD with 500GB partition /dev/sdb1 : same as before /dev/nvme0n1p1 : 118G SSD partition as the cache /dev/nvme0n1p2 : 1G partition as /boot. Even if you have one kernel, do not make a /boot partition less than 1G. I knew it in hard way. /dev/nvme0n1p3 : 200M partition as /boot/efi. Same as before, better safe than sorry. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE BOOT AND EFI PARTITION, OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE AN UNBOOTABLE SYSTEM!\n
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Okay, now we configure our raid.\n
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`make-bcache -B /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`\n
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This command will make a partition (?) called bcache0 and bcache1 under both /dev/sdb and /dev/sda if you use\n
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`lsblk`\n
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Now, we make raid out of those two.\n
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`mkfs.btrfs -L ARCHACHED -d raid0 /dev/bcache0 /dev/bcache1`\n
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Then the cache.\n
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`make-bcache -C /dev/nvme0n1p1`\n
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We can register the cache for our raid setup by its cset.uuid. To know what is the uuid, we can use this command.\n
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`bcache-super-show /dev/nvme0n1p1 |grep cset.uuid`\n
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Example of the output is:\n
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`cset.uuid fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b`\n
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From that, we can register it by using this command:\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/attach`\n
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`echo fc3aac3b-9663-4067-88af-c5066a6c661b > /sys/block/bcache1/bcache/attach`\n
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Done! If you `lsblk` now, you can see that there is bcache0 and bcache1 under the nvme0n1p1 partition.\n
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Now, we can configure our boot partition.\n
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`mkfs.ext4 /dev/nvme0n1p2` (Remember, this is the 1G partition)\n
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`mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/nvme0n1p3` (Remember, this is the 200M partition)\n
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We can then mount all of those drive to install Arch.\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 /mnt`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/root`\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/var` (optional)\n
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`btrfs subvolume create /mnt/home` (optional)\n
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`umount /mnt`\n
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`mount /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=root,compress=lzo /mnt/`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=home,compress=lzo /mnt/home`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/bcache0 -o subvol=var,compress=lzo /mnt/var`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/boot`\n
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`mount --mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/boot/efi`\n
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Fifth: Install Arch Follow arch wiki, lol.\n
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Last: bcache-tools, mkinitcpio, and grub. Go back to tty3, the user one. And copy the bcache-tools package to your newly installed /mnt\n
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`sudo cp bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst /mnt`\n
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Then go back tty1 and install it on you arch-chroot.\n
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`pacman -U bcache-tools-1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst`\n
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Now, we configure the mkinitcpio. Edit your mkinitcpio by using you editor of choice. And add bcache in in MODULES so it looks like this:\n
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`MODULES=(bcache)`\n
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And in HOOKS, add it after block and before filesystem. Example:\n
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`HOOKS=(base udev block bcache flesystem)`\n
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Make your initcpio by executing this command:\n
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`mkinitcpio -p linux`\n
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Grub is the last. Install it as usual. Just make sure you did the partition right, as mentioned before.\n
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That’s it. You just install Arch Linux on a bcache system. It’s complicated, and headache inducing for sure, but I assure you it is totally worth that pain.\n
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Note: If you have problem after you reboot, and want to arch-chroot, you need to install bcache-tools again. If you want to reformat anything and it shows the device as busy after you did the `partprobe`, you need to tell the kernel to stop any activity to the drive. In this example the sda is the one you want to edit.\n
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`echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/sda1/bcache/stop`\n
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Now, if you accidentally execute the command, you can use `partprobe` again to show it up.\n
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Reference: [wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bcache)[wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs)[gist.github.com/…/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd99173…](https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/4c1492f537d9785e19406eb5cd991735)[…kernel.org/…/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.h…](https://archive.kernel.org/oldwiki/btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices.html)
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> except for hdds without cache\n
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The “cache” on HDDs is extremely tiny. Maybe a few seconds worth of sequential access at max. It does not exist to cache significant amounts of data for much longer than that.\n
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At the sizes at which bcache is used, you could permanently hold almost all of your performance-critical data on flash storage while having enough space for tonnes of performance-uncritical data; all in the same storage “package”.
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