Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
0.92 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.04 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\Entry {#2410
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1961 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#261
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#241 …}
    +name: "risa@startrek.website"
    +title: "risa"
    +description: """
      **Star Trek memes and shitposts**\n
      \n
      Come on’n get your jamaharon on! There are no real rules—just don’t break the weather control network.
      """
    +rules: null
    +subscriptionsCount: 1
    +entryCount: 1565
    +entryCommentCount: 14520
    +postCount: 0
    +postCommentCount: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +customCss: null
    +lastActive: DateTime @1729583695 {#269
      date: 2024-10-22 09:54:55.0 +02:00
    }
    +markedForDeletionAt: null
    +tags: null
    +moderators: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#232 …}
    +ownershipRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#228 …}
    +moderatorRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#217 …}
    +entries: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#175 …}
    +posts: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#133 …}
    +subscriptions: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#195 …}
    +bans: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#112 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#98 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#76 …}
    +logs: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#66 …}
    +awards: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1854 …}
    +categories: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1818 …}
    -id: 80
    +apId: "risa@startrek.website"
    +apProfileId: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
    +apPublicUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
    +apFollowersUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa/followers"
    +apInboxUrl: "https://startrek.website/inbox"
    +apDomain: "startrek.website"
    +apPreferredUsername: "risa"
    +apDiscoverable: true
    +apManuallyApprovesFollowers: null
    +privateKey: null
    +publicKey: null
    +apFetchedAt: DateTime @1729583271 {#267
      date: 2024-10-22 09:47:51.0 +02:00
    }
    +apDeletedAt: null
    +apTimeoutAt: null
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699085204 {#275
      date: 2023-11-04 09:06:44.0 +01:00
    }
  }
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1966 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1900 …}
  +slug: "Wait-until-you-hear-about-a-character-named-Jar-Jar"
  +title: "Wait until you hear about a character named Jar Jar Binks!  It's well worth the wait."
  +url: "https://pxscdn.com/public/m/_v2/594359788511108113/bf4779419-8cf74f/4bG2X5Wup26K/nvmLaVJP5k8C2eiSlRyHPu925Sspt1QW9j0akn19.jpg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 35
  +favouriteCount: 405
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1701474994 {#1829
    date: 2023-12-02 00:56:34.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1905 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1932 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1929 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1366 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2357 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2167 …}
  +children: []
  -id: 18063
  -titleTs: "'bink':11 'charact':7 'hear':4 'jar':9,10 'name':8 'wait':1,17 'well':14 'worth':15"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1701305792
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemm.ee/post/16349760"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701219392 {#2418
    date: 2023-11-29 01:56:32.0 +01:00
  }
}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
App\Entity\Entry {#2410
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1961 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#261
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#241 …}
    +name: "risa@startrek.website"
    +title: "risa"
    +description: """
      **Star Trek memes and shitposts**\n
      \n
      Come on’n get your jamaharon on! There are no real rules—just don’t break the weather control network.
      """
    +rules: null
    +subscriptionsCount: 1
    +entryCount: 1565
    +entryCommentCount: 14520
    +postCount: 0
    +postCommentCount: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +customCss: null
    +lastActive: DateTime @1729583695 {#269
      date: 2024-10-22 09:54:55.0 +02:00
    }
    +markedForDeletionAt: null
    +tags: null
    +moderators: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#232 …}
    +ownershipRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#228 …}
    +moderatorRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#217 …}
    +entries: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#175 …}
    +posts: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#133 …}
    +subscriptions: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#195 …}
    +bans: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#112 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#98 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#76 …}
    +logs: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#66 …}
    +awards: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1854 …}
    +categories: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1818 …}
    -id: 80
    +apId: "risa@startrek.website"
    +apProfileId: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
    +apPublicUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
    +apFollowersUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa/followers"
    +apInboxUrl: "https://startrek.website/inbox"
    +apDomain: "startrek.website"
    +apPreferredUsername: "risa"
    +apDiscoverable: true
    +apManuallyApprovesFollowers: null
    +privateKey: null
    +publicKey: null
    +apFetchedAt: DateTime @1729583271 {#267
      date: 2024-10-22 09:47:51.0 +02:00
    }
    +apDeletedAt: null
    +apTimeoutAt: null
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699085204 {#275
      date: 2023-11-04 09:06:44.0 +01:00
    }
  }
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1966 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1900 …}
  +slug: "Wait-until-you-hear-about-a-character-named-Jar-Jar"
  +title: "Wait until you hear about a character named Jar Jar Binks!  It's well worth the wait."
  +url: "https://pxscdn.com/public/m/_v2/594359788511108113/bf4779419-8cf74f/4bG2X5Wup26K/nvmLaVJP5k8C2eiSlRyHPu925Sspt1QW9j0akn19.jpg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 35
  +favouriteCount: 405
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1701474994 {#1829
    date: 2023-12-02 00:56:34.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1905 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1932 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1929 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1366 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2357 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2167 …}
  +children: []
  -id: 18063
  -titleTs: "'bink':11 'charact':7 'hear':4 'jar':9,10 'name':8 'wait':1,17 'well':14 'worth':15"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1701305792
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemm.ee/post/16349760"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701219392 {#2418
    date: 2023-11-29 01:56:32.0 +01:00
  }
}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\Entry {#2410
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1961 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#261
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#241 …}
    +name: "risa@startrek.website"
    +title: "risa"
    +description: """
      **Star Trek memes and shitposts**\n
      \n
      Come on’n get your jamaharon on! There are no real rules—just don’t break the weather control network.
      """
    +rules: null
    +subscriptionsCount: 1
    +entryCount: 1565
    +entryCommentCount: 14520
    +postCount: 0
    +postCommentCount: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +customCss: null
    +lastActive: DateTime @1729583695 {#269
      date: 2024-10-22 09:54:55.0 +02:00
    }
    +markedForDeletionAt: null
    +tags: null
    +moderators: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#232 …}
    +ownershipRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#228 …}
    +moderatorRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#217 …}
    +entries: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#175 …}
    +posts: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#133 …}
    +subscriptions: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#195 …}
    +bans: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#112 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#98 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#76 …}
    +logs: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#66 …}
    +awards: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1854 …}
    +categories: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1818 …}
    -id: 80
    +apId: "risa@startrek.website"
    +apProfileId: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
    +apPublicUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
    +apFollowersUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa/followers"
    +apInboxUrl: "https://startrek.website/inbox"
    +apDomain: "startrek.website"
    +apPreferredUsername: "risa"
    +apDiscoverable: true
    +apManuallyApprovesFollowers: null
    +privateKey: null
    +publicKey: null
    +apFetchedAt: DateTime @1729583271 {#267
      date: 2024-10-22 09:47:51.0 +02:00
    }
    +apDeletedAt: null
    +apTimeoutAt: null
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699085204 {#275
      date: 2023-11-04 09:06:44.0 +01:00
    }
  }
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1966 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1900 …}
  +slug: "Wait-until-you-hear-about-a-character-named-Jar-Jar"
  +title: "Wait until you hear about a character named Jar Jar Binks!  It's well worth the wait."
  +url: "https://pxscdn.com/public/m/_v2/594359788511108113/bf4779419-8cf74f/4bG2X5Wup26K/nvmLaVJP5k8C2eiSlRyHPu925Sspt1QW9j0akn19.jpg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 35
  +favouriteCount: 405
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1701474994 {#1829
    date: 2023-12-02 00:56:34.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1905 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1932 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1929 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1366 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2357 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2167 …}
  +children: []
  -id: 18063
  -titleTs: "'bink':11 'charact':7 'hear':4 'jar':9,10 'name':8 'wait':1,17 'well':14 'worth':15"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1701305792
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemm.ee/post/16349760"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701219392 {#2418
    date: 2023-11-29 01:56:32.0 +01:00
  }
}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\EntryComment {#4664
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#4665 …}
  +entry: App\Entity\Entry {#2410
    +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1961 …}
    +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#261
      +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#241 …}
      +name: "risa@startrek.website"
      +title: "risa"
      +description: """
        **Star Trek memes and shitposts**\n
        \n
        Come on’n get your jamaharon on! There are no real rules—just don’t break the weather control network.
        """
      +rules: null
      +subscriptionsCount: 1
      +entryCount: 1565
      +entryCommentCount: 14520
      +postCount: 0
      +postCommentCount: 0
      +isAdult: false
      +customCss: null
      +lastActive: DateTime @1729583695 {#269
        date: 2024-10-22 09:54:55.0 +02:00
      }
      +markedForDeletionAt: null
      +tags: null
      +moderators: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#232 …}
      +ownershipRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#228 …}
      +moderatorRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#217 …}
      +entries: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#175 …}
      +posts: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#133 …}
      +subscriptions: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#195 …}
      +bans: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#112 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#98 …}
      +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#76 …}
      +logs: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#66 …}
      +awards: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1854 …}
      +categories: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1818 …}
      -id: 80
      +apId: "risa@startrek.website"
      +apProfileId: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
      +apPublicUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa"
      +apFollowersUrl: "https://startrek.website/c/risa/followers"
      +apInboxUrl: "https://startrek.website/inbox"
      +apDomain: "startrek.website"
      +apPreferredUsername: "risa"
      +apDiscoverable: true
      +apManuallyApprovesFollowers: null
      +privateKey: null
      +publicKey: null
      +apFetchedAt: DateTime @1729583271 {#267
        date: 2024-10-22 09:47:51.0 +02:00
      }
      +apDeletedAt: null
      +apTimeoutAt: null
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699085204 {#275
        date: 2023-11-04 09:06:44.0 +01:00
      }
    }
    +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1966 …}
    +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1900 …}
    +slug: "Wait-until-you-hear-about-a-character-named-Jar-Jar"
    +title: "Wait until you hear about a character named Jar Jar Binks!  It's well worth the wait."
    +url: "https://pxscdn.com/public/m/_v2/594359788511108113/bf4779419-8cf74f/4bG2X5Wup26K/nvmLaVJP5k8C2eiSlRyHPu925Sspt1QW9j0akn19.jpg"
    +body: null
    +type: "image"
    +lang: "en"
    +isOc: false
    +hasEmbed: true
    +commentCount: 35
    +favouriteCount: 405
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    I’ve spent most of the ~45 minutes since writing that last comment reading [the machete order creator’s update post](https://www.rodhilton.com/2015/12/28/machete-order-update-and-faq/) and the comments underneath it. And I just really wanted to highlight one particularly excellent comment from a user going by “amusingmurff”.\n
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    From the perspective of someone just wanting an awesome time, I agree completely. Or from the perspective of a Star Wars fan who wants all the lore and extended material. And personally, I would never want to skip it, myself.\n
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    But the goal of the Machete cut is to take a look at the Original Trilogy and ask: how can we get the *best* narrative experience out of this? It’s ultimately about telling Luke Skywalker’s story, and providing context to enhance the experience of his narrative. You put 2 and 3 *after* 4 and 5 to avoid spoiling the reveal at the end of *Empire*. You use the extended 2-movie flashback as a way to explain who that ghost that appears at the end of 6 is, as well as to enhance the parallels between Luke’s and Anakin’s characters; namely Luke’s use of force choke on Jabba’s guards, and him telling Jabba “you underestimate my power”—the same line Anakin uses on Obi Wan in *Revenge*.\n
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    Essentially, we see Anakin’s story as a way to provide further context to Luke’s. *Phantom* doesn’t aid this at all. Neither Qui-Gon nor Maul appear in any later core film. *Phantom* only provides further context to *Anakin’s* story, without aiding in Luke’s. In the words of the Machete order’s original creator:\n
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    > Some people claim that Episode I isn’t that bad, and shouldn’t be removed (again, it’s not that it’s bad, it’s that it’s not relevant to Luke’s journey in the way that Episode II and III are). Lots of people like the pod race or Darth Maul or Qui-Gon or they were born in 1992. Whatever your reason, if you want to watch Episode I I’d recommend doing so separately, sort of like an “Anthology” film. After all, Machete Order doesn’t interfere with canon, everything is canonically compatible with Episode I (or any later ones) because we’re not watching fan edits.\n
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    The original creation came along with a lengthy essay explaining why, pointing to some possible disadvantages, and addressing those. It then briefly went over their experience trying it with someone new to the franchise. Even if, like me, you actually ultimately *disagree* with the idea of Machete order, it is *well* worth the read, because the logic behind it is very well put together. [Here’s a link.](https://www.rodhilton.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/)\n
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    (Incidentally, I always thought the name machete order came from how you’re chopping up the timeline. In fact, it’s because the former name of the author’s blog was “Absolutely No Machete Juggling”.)
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    From the perspective of someone just wanting an awesome time, I agree completely. Or from the perspective of a Star Wars fan who wants all the lore and extended material. And personally, I would never want to skip it, myself.\n
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    But the goal of the Machete cut is to take a look at the Original Trilogy and ask: how can we get the *best* narrative experience out of this? It’s ultimately about telling Luke Skywalker’s story, and providing context to enhance the experience of his narrative. You put 2 and 3 *after* 4 and 5 to avoid spoiling the reveal at the end of *Empire*. You use the extended 2-movie flashback as a way to explain who that ghost that appears at the end of 6 is, as well as to enhance the parallels between Luke’s and Anakin’s characters; namely Luke’s use of force choke on Jabba’s guards, and him telling Jabba “you underestimate my power”—the same line Anakin uses on Obi Wan in *Revenge*.\n
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    Essentially, we see Anakin’s story as a way to provide further context to Luke’s. *Phantom* doesn’t aid this at all. Neither Qui-Gon nor Maul appear in any later core film. *Phantom* only provides further context to *Anakin’s* story, without aiding in Luke’s. In the words of the Machete order’s original creator:\n
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    > Some people claim that Episode I isn’t that bad, and shouldn’t be removed (again, it’s not that it’s bad, it’s that it’s not relevant to Luke’s journey in the way that Episode II and III are). Lots of people like the pod race or Darth Maul or Qui-Gon or they were born in 1992. Whatever your reason, if you want to watch Episode I I’d recommend doing so separately, sort of like an “Anthology” film. After all, Machete Order doesn’t interfere with canon, everything is canonically compatible with Episode I (or any later ones) because we’re not watching fan edits.\n
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    The original creation came along with a lengthy essay explaining why, pointing to some possible disadvantages, and addressing those. It then briefly went over their experience trying it with someone new to the franchise. Even if, like me, you actually ultimately *disagree* with the idea of Machete order, it is *well* worth the read, because the logic behind it is very well put together. [Here’s a link.](https://www.rodhilton.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/)\n
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    (Incidentally, I always thought the name machete order came from how you’re chopping up the timeline. In fact, it’s because the former name of the author’s blog was “Absolutely No Machete Juggling”.)
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    From the perspective of someone just wanting an awesome time, I agree completely. Or from the perspective of a Star Wars fan who wants all the lore and extended material. And personally, I would never want to skip it, myself.\n
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    But the goal of the Machete cut is to take a look at the Original Trilogy and ask: how can we get the *best* narrative experience out of this? It’s ultimately about telling Luke Skywalker’s story, and providing context to enhance the experience of his narrative. You put 2 and 3 *after* 4 and 5 to avoid spoiling the reveal at the end of *Empire*. You use the extended 2-movie flashback as a way to explain who that ghost that appears at the end of 6 is, as well as to enhance the parallels between Luke’s and Anakin’s characters; namely Luke’s use of force choke on Jabba’s guards, and him telling Jabba “you underestimate my power”—the same line Anakin uses on Obi Wan in *Revenge*.\n
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    Essentially, we see Anakin’s story as a way to provide further context to Luke’s. *Phantom* doesn’t aid this at all. Neither Qui-Gon nor Maul appear in any later core film. *Phantom* only provides further context to *Anakin’s* story, without aiding in Luke’s. In the words of the Machete order’s original creator:\n
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    > Some people claim that Episode I isn’t that bad, and shouldn’t be removed (again, it’s not that it’s bad, it’s that it’s not relevant to Luke’s journey in the way that Episode II and III are). Lots of people like the pod race or Darth Maul or Qui-Gon or they were born in 1992. Whatever your reason, if you want to watch Episode I I’d recommend doing so separately, sort of like an “Anthology” film. After all, Machete Order doesn’t interfere with canon, everything is canonically compatible with Episode I (or any later ones) because we’re not watching fan edits.\n
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    The original creation came along with a lengthy essay explaining why, pointing to some possible disadvantages, and addressing those. It then briefly went over their experience trying it with someone new to the franchise. Even if, like me, you actually ultimately *disagree* with the idea of Machete order, it is *well* worth the read, because the logic behind it is very well put together. [Here’s a link.](https://www.rodhilton.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/)\n
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    (Incidentally, I always thought the name machete order came from how you’re chopping up the timeline. In fact, it’s because the former name of the author’s blog was “Absolutely No Machete Juggling”.)
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