GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@jack@monero.town/top/2023-11-02::2023-11-02

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.97
Profiled on
Token
7fc55d

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.76 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.04 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\Entry {#1432
  +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1663 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1665 …}
  +slug: "Fedora-or-Mint-for-noob"
  +title: "Fedora or Mint for noob?"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
    \n
    Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
    \n
    However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
    \n
    Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
    \n
    What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
    \n
    EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
    \n
    I’ve only tried Ubuntu-based Mint, but LMDE is more future-proof so it will probably be that.
    """
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  +hasEmbed: false
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    date: 2023-11-04 15:29:55.0 +01:00
  }
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  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
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  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1676 …}
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  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1581 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1577 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1568 …}
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      +entry: App\Entity\Entry {#1432}
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      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1729 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1729 …}
      +body: """
        > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
        \n
        Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
        \n
        Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
        \n
        > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
        \n
        That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
        \n
        > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
        \n
        Thanks for the link, I will try this.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
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        date: 2023-11-02 14:16:52.0 +01:00
      }
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        "@woelkchen@lemmy.world"
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      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1732 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1737 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1736 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1716 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1715 …}
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
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      +apId: "https://monero.town/comment/2295317"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698931660 {#1527
        date: 2023-11-02 14:27:40.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698931012 {#1528
        date: 2023-11-02 14:16:52.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 84352
    }
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      +entry: App\Entity\Entry {#1432}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1663 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2411 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2411 …}
      +body: """
        I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
        \n
        But you are right, Ubuntu is the most popular and things like eduroam will likely work.
        """
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      +isAdult: false
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        date: 2023-11-02 13:31:27.0 +01:00
      }
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      +tags: null
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        "@Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show"
      ]
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      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2462 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2461 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2460 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2452 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2454 …}
      -id: 84386
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      +ranking: 0
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      +editedAt: null
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        date: 2023-11-02 13:31:27.0 +01:00
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      +entry: App\Entity\Entry {#1432}
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      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2469 …}
      +body: "Thanks for your input."
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        date: 2023-11-02 14:26:12.0 +01:00
      }
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        "@EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world"
      ]
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      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2370 …}
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      -id: 84389
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      +ranking: 0
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      +apId: "https://monero.town/comment/2295429"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1698931572 {#2468
        date: 2023-11-02 14:26:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 84389
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    2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2385
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      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2384 …}
      +body: """
        Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
        \n
        > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
        \n
        You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
        """
      +lang: "en"
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      +lastActive: DateTime @1698929326 {#2386
        date: 2023-11-02 13:48:46.0 +01:00
      }
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      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2381 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1910 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1909 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1926 …}
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      -id: 84391
      -bodyTs: "'advantag':67 'appreci':17 'beauti':20 'believ':15 'benefit':43 'compar':79 'consid':5,49 'de':82 'desktop':22 'drop':60 'drop-in':59 'environ':23 'exclus':42 'fedora':34 'give':37 'gnome':84 'good':1 'idea':2 'laptop':10,53 'least':78 'like':83 'linux':41,69 'linux-exclus':40 'main':52 'might':36,48 'mint':55 'newcom':76 'rather':57 'replac':62 'right':28 'secondari':25 'switch':50 'think':31 'visible/important':73 'window':45,64 'workflow':35"
      +ranking: 0
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      +apId: "https://monero.town/comment/2294989"
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    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1401
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      +body: "Fair enough."
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        date: 2023-11-02 13:33:01.0 +01:00
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      +body: "LMDE is the future of Mint, hopefully with a Flatpak-first approach."
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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    A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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        > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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        I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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        Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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        You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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    A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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        > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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        Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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        Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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        > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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        That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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        > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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    > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
    \n
    Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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    Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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    > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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    That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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    > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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    Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          But you are right, Ubuntu is the most popular and things like eduroam will likely work.
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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    > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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    Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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    Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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    > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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    That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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    > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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    Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      I’ve only tried Ubuntu-based Mint, but LMDE is more future-proof so it will probably be that.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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    > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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    Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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    Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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    > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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    That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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    > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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    Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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    I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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    I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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    But you are right, Ubuntu is the most popular and things like eduroam will likely work.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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    Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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    > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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    You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          > In the meantime, according to [fedoraproject.org/wiki/…/StrongCryptoSettings2#Up…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade/compatibility_impact) the security defaults of Fedora can be rolled back to an earlier level quite easily.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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    Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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    > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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    You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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    Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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    > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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    You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          But you are right, Ubuntu is the most popular and things like eduroam will likely work.
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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      What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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      I’ve only tried Ubuntu-based Mint, but LMDE is more future-proof so it will probably be that.
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          Thanks for the link, I will try this.
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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          > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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          > That is factually wrong: [fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfi…](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/38/ChangeSet#Unfiltered_Flathub)\n
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          Okay, after removing all the preinstalled media players plus firefox and reinstalling them through Flathub it might be possible to skip the [official tutorial](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/).\n
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          Fedora should just preinstall everything as flathub flatpaks.\n
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          > the problem will only be delayed on Mint because Mint’s underlying Ubuntu core is just older. Once a newer security policy comes to Mint, it will have exactly the same problem.\n
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          That is a valid point. Although I can imagine that Mint devs would rather leave legacy TLS enabled to be more user-friendly.\n
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          I haven’t tried Ubuntu yet myself, but generally I’m turned off by some decisions Canonical makes, especially the whole Snap thing adding complexity, slow app startup and proprietary store. Not very trustworthy.\n
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          Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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