GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@TauZero@mander.xyz/commented

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.21
Profiled on
Token
839cbb

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 20.13 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.05 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2582 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2596 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2593 …}
  +slug: "Japan-is-living-in-the-future-that-the-1990s-dreamed"
  +title: "Japan is living in the future that the 1990s dreamed of."
  +url: "https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/8aff94b8-e3c6-4d2b-9ce4-29dae080577d.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 435
  +favouriteCount: 1198
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1701697837 {#2173
    date: 2023-12-04 14:50:37.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2609 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2611 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2613 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2615 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2617 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2619 …}
  +children: [
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2233
      +user: App\Entity\User {#264 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2238 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2237 …}
      +body: "Yeah, for getting kidnapped 🤣"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701303269 {#2240
        date: 2023-11-30 01:14:29.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world"
        "@escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world"
        "@lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world"
        "@s_s@lemmy.one"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2249 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2259 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2244 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2250 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2245 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2243 …}
      -id: 179053
      -bodyTs: "'get':3 'kidnap':4 'yeah':1"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/5592836"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701303269 {#2236
        date: 2023-11-30 01:14:29.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 179053
    }
    2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2145
      +user: App\Entity\User {#264 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2150 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2152 …}
      +body: """
        The credit companies do not insure against fraud, they simply take the money out of the merchant account and put it back into yours. Now it’s the merchant who has no recourse, if they have already shipped the product. So the only difference between CC and crypto is who is typically left holding an empty bag in case of theft - the payer or the payee. Certainly not the banks!\n
        \n
        I’d argue in terms of assigning responsibility, it seems more fair to expect you the customer to keep your digital wallet secure from thieves, than to expect the merchant to try guess every time whether the visitor to their online store happens to be using a stolen credit card.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701304601 {#2151
        date: 2023-11-30 01:36:41.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@TWeaK@lemm.ee"
        "@thehatfox@lemmy.world"
        "@WldFyre@lemm.ee"
        "@Croquette@sh.itjust.works"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2153 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2149 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2185 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2179 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2182 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2172 …}
      -id: 179115
      -bodyTs: "'account':18 'alreadi':37 'argu':73 'assign':77 'back':22 'bag':57 'bank':70 'card':120 'case':59 'cc':46 'certain':67 'compani':3 'credit':2,119 'crypto':48 'custom':87 'd':72 'differ':44 'digit':91 'empti':56 'everi':104 'expect':84,98 'fair':82 'fraud':8 'guess':103 'happen':113 'hold':54 'insur':6 'keep':89 'left':53 'merchant':17,29,100 'money':13 'onlin':111 'paye':66 'payer':63 'product':40 'put':20 'recours':33 'respons':78 'secur':93 'seem':80 'ship':38 'simpli':10 'stolen':118 'store':112 'take':11 'term':75 'theft':61 'thiev':95 'time':105 'tri':102 'typic':52 'use':116 'visitor':108 'wallet':92 'whether':106"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/5593402"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701304601 {#2147
        date: 2023-11-30 01:36:41.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 179115
    }
    0 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2251
      +user: App\Entity\User {#264 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2284 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2284 …}
      +body: "Question: do the Japanese actually care about privacy? I know I do, but if you were to ask a Japanese person why does their country use cash, would they say “We have considered a system of payment cards and decided against it for privacy reasons” or would they just shrug and say “I dunno, I’m not in charge of payment systems, I use what I have”?"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701303964 {#2255
        date: 2023-11-30 01:26:04.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@uis@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2285 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2287 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2142 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2039 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2155 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2158 …}
      -id: 179084
      -bodyTs: "'actual':5 'ask':18 'card':38 'care':6 'cash':27 'charg':59 'consid':33 'countri':25 'decid':40 'dunno':54 'japanes':4,20 'know':10 'm':56 'payment':37,61 'person':21 'privaci':8,44 'question':1 'reason':45 'say':30,52 'shrug':50 'system':35,62 'use':26,64 'would':28,47"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/5593124"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701303964 {#2256
        date: 2023-11-30 01:26:04.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 179084
    }
  ]
  -id: 17906
  -titleTs: "'1990s':9 'dream':10 'futur':6 'japan':1 'live':3"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1701279639
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://startrek.website/post/4153970"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701193239 {#2599
    date: 2023-11-28 18:40:39.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2582 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2596 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2593 …}
  +slug: "Japan-is-living-in-the-future-that-the-1990s-dreamed"
  +title: "Japan is living in the future that the 1990s dreamed of."
  +url: "https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/8aff94b8-e3c6-4d2b-9ce4-29dae080577d.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 435
  +favouriteCount: 1198
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1701697837 {#2173
    date: 2023-12-04 14:50:37.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2609 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2611 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2613 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2615 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2617 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2619 …}
  +children: [
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2233
      +user: App\Entity\User {#264 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2238 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2237 …}
      +body: "Yeah, for getting kidnapped 🤣"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701303269 {#2240
        date: 2023-11-30 01:14:29.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world"
        "@escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world"
        "@lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world"
        "@s_s@lemmy.one"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2249 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2259 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2244 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2250 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2245 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2243 …}
      -id: 179053
      -bodyTs: "'get':3 'kidnap':4 'yeah':1"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/5592836"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701303269 {#2236
        date: 2023-11-30 01:14:29.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 179053
    }
    2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2145
      +user: App\Entity\User {#264 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2150 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2152 …}
      +body: """
        The credit companies do not insure against fraud, they simply take the money out of the merchant account and put it back into yours. Now it’s the merchant who has no recourse, if they have already shipped the product. So the only difference between CC and crypto is who is typically left holding an empty bag in case of theft - the payer or the payee. Certainly not the banks!\n
        \n
        I’d argue in terms of assigning responsibility, it seems more fair to expect you the customer to keep your digital wallet secure from thieves, than to expect the merchant to try guess every time whether the visitor to their online store happens to be using a stolen credit card.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701304601 {#2151
        date: 2023-11-30 01:36:41.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@TWeaK@lemm.ee"
        "@thehatfox@lemmy.world"
        "@WldFyre@lemm.ee"
        "@Croquette@sh.itjust.works"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2153 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2149 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2185 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2179 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2182 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2172 …}
      -id: 179115
      -bodyTs: "'account':18 'alreadi':37 'argu':73 'assign':77 'back':22 'bag':57 'bank':70 'card':120 'case':59 'cc':46 'certain':67 'compani':3 'credit':2,119 'crypto':48 'custom':87 'd':72 'differ':44 'digit':91 'empti':56 'everi':104 'expect':84,98 'fair':82 'fraud':8 'guess':103 'happen':113 'hold':54 'insur':6 'keep':89 'left':53 'merchant':17,29,100 'money':13 'onlin':111 'paye':66 'payer':63 'product':40 'put':20 'recours':33 'respons':78 'secur':93 'seem':80 'ship':38 'simpli':10 'stolen':118 'store':112 'take':11 'term':75 'theft':61 'thiev':95 'time':105 'tri':102 'typic':52 'use':116 'visitor':108 'wallet':92 'whether':106"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/5593402"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701304601 {#2147
        date: 2023-11-30 01:36:41.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 179115
    }
    0 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2251
      +user: App\Entity\User {#264 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2226 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2234 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2284 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2284 …}
      +body: "Question: do the Japanese actually care about privacy? I know I do, but if you were to ask a Japanese person why does their country use cash, would they say “We have considered a system of payment cards and decided against it for privacy reasons” or would they just shrug and say “I dunno, I’m not in charge of payment systems, I use what I have”?"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1701303964 {#2255
        date: 2023-11-30 01:26:04.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website"
        "@uis@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2285 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2287 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2142 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2039 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2155 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2158 …}
      -id: 179084
      -bodyTs: "'actual':5 'ask':18 'card':38 'care':6 'cash':27 'charg':59 'consid':33 'countri':25 'decid':40 'dunno':54 'japanes':4,20 'know':10 'm':56 'payment':37,61 'person':21 'privaci':8,44 'question':1 'reason':45 'say':30,52 'shrug':50 'system':35,62 'use':26,64 'would':28,47"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://mander.xyz/comment/5593124"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701303964 {#2256
        date: 2023-11-30 01:26:04.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 179084
    }
  ]
  -id: 17906
  -titleTs: "'1990s':9 'dream':10 'futur':6 'japan':1 'live':3"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1701279639
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://startrek.website/post/4153970"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1701193239 {#2599
    date: 2023-11-28 18:40:39.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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    Looks like gitlab now requires account verification for new accounts in addition to email. Either phone number or credit card.\n
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        > I want people to be able to report bugs without any trouble.\n
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    Looks like gitlab now requires account verification for new accounts in addition to email. Either phone number or credit card.\n
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    - [forum.gitlab.com/t/…/2](https://forum.gitlab.com/t/how-to-create-an-account-without-telephone-number-if-an-non-activated-account-has-already-been-created-with-the-same-e-mail-address-that-demands-a-phone-number/93675/2)\n
    - [forum.gitlab.com/t/…/92202](https://forum.gitlab.com/t/phone-verification-sms-not-received-unable-to-login-and-register/92202)\n
    - [forum.gitlab.com/t/…/2](https://forum.gitlab.com/t/how-to-create-an-account-without-telephone-number-if-an-non-activated-account-has-already-been-created-with-the-same-e-mail-address-that-demands-a-phone-number/93675/2)\n
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      - [forum.gitlab.com/t/…/2](https://forum.gitlab.com/t/how-to-create-an-account-without-telephone-number-if-an-non-activated-account-has-already-been-created-with-the-same-e-mail-address-that-demands-a-phone-number/93675/2)\n
      - [forum.gitlab.com/t/…/92202](https://forum.gitlab.com/t/phone-verification-sms-not-received-unable-to-login-and-register/92202)\n
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    > I want people to be able to report bugs without any trouble.\n
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        Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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      +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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        Excellent excellent!\n
        \n
        > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
        \n
        Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
        \n
        > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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        There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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        > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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        That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
        \n
        It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
        \n
        > where the real lever sends it\n
        \n
        There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
        \n
        > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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        1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
        \n
        > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
        \n
        [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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      +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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      +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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      +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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        > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
        \n
        Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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        (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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        Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "OC just for you! ♥️"
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        Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
        \n
        ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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      +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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        Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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        > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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        It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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      +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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        Excellent excellent!\n
        \n
        > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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        Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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        > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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        There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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        > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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        That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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      +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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      +body: """
        > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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        It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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        > where the real lever sends it\n
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        There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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        > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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        1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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        > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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        [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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      +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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      +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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        > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
        \n
        Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
        \n
        (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
        \n
        Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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        Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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      +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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        Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
        \n
        > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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        It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        Excellent excellent!\n
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        > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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        Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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        > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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        There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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        > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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        That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
        \n
        It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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        > where the real lever sends it\n
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        There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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        > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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        1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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        > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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        [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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      +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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      +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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        > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
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        Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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        Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
    \n
    ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
    \n
    ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
    \n
    > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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    It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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    +slug: "Sleeping-Beauty-Trolley-Problem"
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    +body: "OC just for you! ♥️"
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
    \n
    > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
    \n
    It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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    > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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    It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: """
          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
          \n
          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
          \n
          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
          """
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Excellent excellent!\n
    \n
    > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
    \n
    Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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    > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
    \n
    There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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    > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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    That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
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          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Excellent excellent!\n
    \n
    > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
    \n
    Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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    > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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    There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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    > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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    That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    Excellent excellent!\n
    \n
    > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
    \n
    Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
    \n
    > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
    \n
    There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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    > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
    \n
    That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
          \n
          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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      4 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2115
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
          """
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
          \n
          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
          \n
          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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      1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2046
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
    \n
    It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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    > where the real lever sends it\n
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    There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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    > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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    1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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    > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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    [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
    \n
    It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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    > where the real lever sends it\n
    \n
    There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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    > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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    1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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    > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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    [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
    \n
    It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
    \n
    > where the real lever sends it\n
    \n
    There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
    \n
    > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
    \n
    1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
    \n
    > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
    \n
    [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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    +slug: "Sleeping-Beauty-Trolley-Problem"
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    +body: "OC just for you! ♥️"
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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    +slug: "Sleeping-Beauty-Trolley-Problem"
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    +body: "OC just for you! ♥️"
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
          \n
          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
          """
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
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          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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  +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
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          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
          \n
          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
          \n
          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
          \n
          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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          > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
          \n
          Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
          \n
          (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
          \n
          Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
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          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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    > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
    \n
    Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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    (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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    Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
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          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
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          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
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          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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          Excellent excellent!\n
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          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
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          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
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          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
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          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
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          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
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          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
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          > where the real lever sends it\n
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          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
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          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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    > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
    \n
    Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
    \n
    (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
    \n
    Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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          Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:\n
          \n
          ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg)
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        +body: "You are on the side track in scenario A. You die if you pull. Ironically, you’d be killing yourself. The dice are to make the two scenarios not equally likely."
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          Good question to ask, since specifics of selection process *may* affect the decision outcome! Other variants include growing humans in a vat from scratch on demand, using Star Trek transporter clones, or abducting the necessary number of people from a pre-selected list where your name happens to be the first one. For now, imagine the potential population as the 5 billion living cognizant adults.\n
          \n
          > as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible\n
          \n
          It may be negligible to the 4.999… billion adults sleeping comfortably and securely in their beds tonight, but the problem presupposed that *you* have already been abducted. It remains underdefined whether *you* refers to you the specific person reading this meme, or a more general you-the-unfortunate who has been chosen and is now listening to this on the headphones.
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        +body: "It’s a standard runaway trolley problem. The trolley is traveling down the main track unless the switch is flipped to send it down the side track. The lever is labeled such that there is no ambiguity which way it is set, the blindfolds notwithstanding. The villain is pernicious and will be equally (though not exceedingly so) delighted to see you die by your own action where inaction would have had saved you. You can somehow trust that the announcement in the headphones is true and not a lie. Such as, for example, you have seen this exact situation happen many times before on TV and survivors/witnesses have described the villain to be truthful every time."
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          Excellent excellent!\n
          \n
          > If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)\n
          \n
          Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.\n
          \n
          > If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.\n
          \n
          There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and *equally selfish/altruistic* as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.\n
          \n
          > No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.\n
          \n
          That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision *may be* different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.
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      6 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2098
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        +body: "Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!"
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      4 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2115
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        +body: """
          > there’s no way to know which track the trolley is on\n
          \n
          It’s a standard trolley meme problem, the trolley will keep going on the main track unless the lever is switched 😁. I thought !science_memes would be familiar with trolley problems, but I guess I get to introduce some of you! You might want to start off on some [easier trolley memes](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/e09460ba-25e0-4998-8055-71a14be7c6b4.jpeg) first, this is advanced level stuff.\n
          \n
          > where the real lever sends it\n
          \n
          There is not usually ambiguity with the lever. If you wish, you can have an announcement in the headphones “*main track*… *side track*…” every time you flip the lever. Your only uncertainty is which track you yourself are bound to, given how you’re blindfolded.\n
          \n
          > there’s a 0.017% chance\n
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          1/6 * 10% = 1/60 = 0.01666… = 1.666…% ~= 1.7%! Careful there!\n
          \n
          > It’s not really a trolley problem, because in both scenarios a track is empty,\n
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          [Everything](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4772f7cb-8ff1-47e7-b315-edb9b2c122de.jpeg) is a trolley problem.
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      3 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2031
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        +body: "Through the headphones :P"
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        +body: "Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem."
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        +body: "The trolley is like [really slow](https://piped.video/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k)."
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    > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
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    Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
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    (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
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    Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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    The [recent post](https://lemmy.ml/post/6683375) made me fear that a lot of you are taking this “monkey looks at double-slits” meme, which was only ever supposed to be a funny monkey meme, actually seriously. Honorable mention goes to @kromem@lemmy.world, whose [12 posts](https://lemmy.world/comment/4639453) on the topic, insisting that the quantum eraser experiment (but *not* the delayed-choice quantum eraser!) proves that the double slit is somehow bizarre, forced me to make my own meme. This meme explains the (non-delayed choice) quantum eraser paper from [arXiv:quant-ph/0106078](https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106078) and the figures are numbered to reference the paper.\n
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    First of all, looking at the photons, you the conscious intelligent monkey, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. You can’t actually “see” the photons going through a slit the way you could see say a bowling ball. The only way to detect a photon is to absorb or reflect it, and if the photon is getting absorbed by your eye that means it’s not going through the slit or hitting the screen. The interference pattern stays visible on the screen WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOOK AT IT.\n
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    Well, NO SHIT. You put these giant 3D glasses in front of the slits and you still expect to see interference? This is very much a “mechanical interaction”, not some “non-obtrusive conscious observation”. Everything that destroys coherence will ruin your quantum experiment! Mystery solved!\n
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    So what about the quantum eraser, @kromem will ask? Popular science has created this myth that you can look at the screen and you can make the interference pattern literally shimmer in and out of existence by just flipping a switch, connected to second detector positioned elsewhere, turning it off and on. An action at a distant place (the detector POL1 observing “twinned” entangled photons created by this fancy nonlinear barium crystal before the slits, Figure 1) changes whether light *over here* behaves as a particle or a wave, right in front of your eyes. Spooky action at a distance, right?\n
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    THIS FUCKING DOESN’T HAPPEN. The monkey will see the single blob from Figure 3 and only single blob, no matter whether it turns the second detector on or off! The interference pattern will NEVER shimmer back into existence. The light never switches between behaving like a wave and behaving like a particle. It always behaves the same way, all the time, everywhere in the universe - like fucking light!\n
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    So what do the physicists actually fucking mean when they say the interference pattern is “restored”? If you observe the photons hitting the screen *one at a time* and you correlate them with simultaneous detections at detector POL1, you can mark those events as either “yes coincidence” category A or “no coincidence” category B. If you look at just all the category A events (Figure 4) you will see an interference pattern, and just category B you will see another (Figure 5). You cannot see these patterns by eye on the screen! You have to use a computer to record the events individually and separate them, you will only ever see a single blob by eye. The two interference patterns are **subsets of that blob**. They were always part of it, their hills and valleys mesh together into a single continuum. NO ONE EVER FUCKING EXPLAINED THIS.\n
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    The detector POL1 has a linear polarizer filter in front of it, so straight out the gate it will not see 50% of the twinned photons at all, because they will get stuck in the filter. Your category A can never match more than 50% of events. It gets worse, since the non-linear crystal in reality has very low efficiency and most photons going through are not twinned, so you cannot measure category B directly. In the experiment they do it by rotating the filter 90°, which changes the correlation to category B. In the meme I show them as if the crystal was 100% efficient.\n
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    The delayed-choice quantum eraser works similarly - you only ever see a single blob and can never see the interference pattern shimmer in and out of existence. You need the correlation data from the second detector to split the blob into two intermeshed interference patterns using a computer. The [Sabine video](https://piped.video/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U) was the first one I’ve ever seen that explains this correctly. Every other popular science video up to that point has lied to me!\n
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    Whatever you do, DO NOT watch the DR. QUANTUM video with an open mind! (Not even going to link to it, @manual3204 linked it in the other thread.) It’s from a documentary produced by a literal UFO cult to promote their quantum woo woo, only masquerading as a quirky science video. It came out in the early days of youtube, when its production and animation quality were unusually high for its time, so it immediately became youtube’s go-to video for double slit experiment. Copies of it remain highly ranked there even to present day. It’s total baloney!
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        > cannot be accurately measured\n
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        I want to clarify that the “cannot” here refers **not** to the inadequacy of our tools (which hypothetically could have been fixed in the future by building better tools), but by a fundamental prohibition of the quantum mechanics theory. Practically, the single-photon lasers and detectors used here are like 90%+ efficient - plenty good enough to distinguish between the two monkey scenarios. But some observables in quantum mechanics are “orthogonal” - you can measure one or the other, but not both at the same time - the math will not allow it. The typical example of that is “position” and “momentum” of a particle.\n
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        The math is quite beautiful actually, the analogy I’d use is something like asking “Which way is east at the North Pole?” In your head you can either know “This direction is east.” or “I am standing at the North Pole.” but you cannot hold both pieces of knowledge in your head at the same time.\n
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        The orthogonal observables in this experiment are the “which-way top/bottom slit” information and the “which-interference-category Pattern 4/Pattern 5” information. It’s even more beautiful in the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that I was ranting about [here](https://mander.xyz/comment/3853598). There, both pieces of information are stored orthogonally in a single photon. You can choose at a later time to either measure it one way, which will tell you the which-way info, or in a different way, which will tell you the interference category info, but there is no hypothetical way to measure it in both. The only way you can get the category info out to allow your computer to draw the interference pattern is if you *guarantee* that the which-way information has been irrecoverably erased. It is as if the whole universe conspires to censor this information from you! But it’s just the consequence of the math rules in use.
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    The [recent post](https://lemmy.ml/post/6683375) made me fear that a lot of you are taking this “monkey looks at double-slits” meme, which was only ever supposed to be a funny monkey meme, actually seriously. Honorable mention goes to @kromem@lemmy.world, whose [12 posts](https://lemmy.world/comment/4639453) on the topic, insisting that the quantum eraser experiment (but *not* the delayed-choice quantum eraser!) proves that the double slit is somehow bizarre, forced me to make my own meme. This meme explains the (non-delayed choice) quantum eraser paper from [arXiv:quant-ph/0106078](https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106078) and the figures are numbered to reference the paper.\n
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    First of all, looking at the photons, you the conscious intelligent monkey, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. You can’t actually “see” the photons going through a slit the way you could see say a bowling ball. The only way to detect a photon is to absorb or reflect it, and if the photon is getting absorbed by your eye that means it’s not going through the slit or hitting the screen. The interference pattern stays visible on the screen WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOOK AT IT.\n
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    They’ve lied to you when they said the pattern changes when you “look” at which slit it the photon goes through. What the physicists actually do to measure the “which path” information is they put these circular polarizer filters in front of the slits, one clockwise one counterclockwise. Then the pattern disappears and you get this one single blob of density (Not even double! Figure 3). This is because light polarized in opposite directions cannot interfere with itself - wikipedia calls this the “[Fresnel–Arago laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel%E2%80%93Arago_laws)”. In principle you could have put a polarization detector in place of the screen and record which way the light hitting it is polarized, which would tell you which slit the photon must have went through. The physicists DON’T EVEN BOTHER DOING IT. The fact alone that the light is polarized when it hits the screen is sufficient to destroy the interference pattern.\n
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    Well, NO SHIT. You put these giant 3D glasses in front of the slits and you still expect to see interference? This is very much a “mechanical interaction”, not some “non-obtrusive conscious observation”. Everything that destroys coherence will ruin your quantum experiment! Mystery solved!\n
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    THIS FUCKING DOESN’T HAPPEN. The monkey will see the single blob from Figure 3 and only single blob, no matter whether it turns the second detector on or off! The interference pattern will NEVER shimmer back into existence. The light never switches between behaving like a wave and behaving like a particle. It always behaves the same way, all the time, everywhere in the universe - like fucking light!\n
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    So what do the physicists actually fucking mean when they say the interference pattern is “restored”? If you observe the photons hitting the screen *one at a time* and you correlate them with simultaneous detections at detector POL1, you can mark those events as either “yes coincidence” category A or “no coincidence” category B. If you look at just all the category A events (Figure 4) you will see an interference pattern, and just category B you will see another (Figure 5). You cannot see these patterns by eye on the screen! You have to use a computer to record the events individually and separate them, you will only ever see a single blob by eye. The two interference patterns are **subsets of that blob**. They were always part of it, their hills and valleys mesh together into a single continuum. NO ONE EVER FUCKING EXPLAINED THIS.\n
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    The detector POL1 has a linear polarizer filter in front of it, so straight out the gate it will not see 50% of the twinned photons at all, because they will get stuck in the filter. Your category A can never match more than 50% of events. It gets worse, since the non-linear crystal in reality has very low efficiency and most photons going through are not twinned, so you cannot measure category B directly. In the experiment they do it by rotating the filter 90°, which changes the correlation to category B. In the meme I show them as if the crystal was 100% efficient.\n
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    The delayed-choice quantum eraser works similarly - you only ever see a single blob and can never see the interference pattern shimmer in and out of existence. You need the correlation data from the second detector to split the blob into two intermeshed interference patterns using a computer. The [Sabine video](https://piped.video/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U) was the first one I’ve ever seen that explains this correctly. Every other popular science video up to that point has lied to me!\n
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    Whatever you do, DO NOT watch the DR. QUANTUM video with an open mind! (Not even going to link to it, @manual3204 linked it in the other thread.) It’s from a documentary produced by a literal UFO cult to promote their quantum woo woo, only masquerading as a quirky science video. It came out in the early days of youtube, when its production and animation quality were unusually high for its time, so it immediately became youtube’s go-to video for double slit experiment. Copies of it remain highly ranked there even to present day. It’s total baloney!
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        > cannot be accurately measured\n
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        I want to clarify that the “cannot” here refers **not** to the inadequacy of our tools (which hypothetically could have been fixed in the future by building better tools), but by a fundamental prohibition of the quantum mechanics theory. Practically, the single-photon lasers and detectors used here are like 90%+ efficient - plenty good enough to distinguish between the two monkey scenarios. But some observables in quantum mechanics are “orthogonal” - you can measure one or the other, but not both at the same time - the math will not allow it. The typical example of that is “position” and “momentum” of a particle.\n
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        The math is quite beautiful actually, the analogy I’d use is something like asking “Which way is east at the North Pole?” In your head you can either know “This direction is east.” or “I am standing at the North Pole.” but you cannot hold both pieces of knowledge in your head at the same time.\n
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        The orthogonal observables in this experiment are the “which-way top/bottom slit” information and the “which-interference-category Pattern 4/Pattern 5” information. It’s even more beautiful in the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that I was ranting about [here](https://mander.xyz/comment/3853598). There, both pieces of information are stored orthogonally in a single photon. You can choose at a later time to either measure it one way, which will tell you the which-way info, or in a different way, which will tell you the interference category info, but there is no hypothetical way to measure it in both. The only way you can get the category info out to allow your computer to draw the interference pattern is if you *guarantee* that the which-way information has been irrecoverably erased. It is as if the whole universe conspires to censor this information from you! But it’s just the consequence of the math rules in use.
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    The [recent post](https://lemmy.ml/post/6683375) made me fear that a lot of you are taking this “monkey looks at double-slits” meme, which was only ever supposed to be a funny monkey meme, actually seriously. Honorable mention goes to @kromem@lemmy.world, whose [12 posts](https://lemmy.world/comment/4639453) on the topic, insisting that the quantum eraser experiment (but *not* the delayed-choice quantum eraser!) proves that the double slit is somehow bizarre, forced me to make my own meme. This meme explains the (non-delayed choice) quantum eraser paper from [arXiv:quant-ph/0106078](https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106078) and the figures are numbered to reference the paper.\n
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    First of all, looking at the photons, you the conscious intelligent monkey, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. You can’t actually “see” the photons going through a slit the way you could see say a bowling ball. The only way to detect a photon is to absorb or reflect it, and if the photon is getting absorbed by your eye that means it’s not going through the slit or hitting the screen. The interference pattern stays visible on the screen WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOOK AT IT.\n
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    They’ve lied to you when they said the pattern changes when you “look” at which slit it the photon goes through. What the physicists actually do to measure the “which path” information is they put these circular polarizer filters in front of the slits, one clockwise one counterclockwise. Then the pattern disappears and you get this one single blob of density (Not even double! Figure 3). This is because light polarized in opposite directions cannot interfere with itself - wikipedia calls this the “[Fresnel–Arago laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel%E2%80%93Arago_laws)”. In principle you could have put a polarization detector in place of the screen and record which way the light hitting it is polarized, which would tell you which slit the photon must have went through. The physicists DON’T EVEN BOTHER DOING IT. The fact alone that the light is polarized when it hits the screen is sufficient to destroy the interference pattern.\n
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    Well, NO SHIT. You put these giant 3D glasses in front of the slits and you still expect to see interference? This is very much a “mechanical interaction”, not some “non-obtrusive conscious observation”. Everything that destroys coherence will ruin your quantum experiment! Mystery solved!\n
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    So what about the quantum eraser, @kromem will ask? Popular science has created this myth that you can look at the screen and you can make the interference pattern literally shimmer in and out of existence by just flipping a switch, connected to second detector positioned elsewhere, turning it off and on. An action at a distant place (the detector POL1 observing “twinned” entangled photons created by this fancy nonlinear barium crystal before the slits, Figure 1) changes whether light *over here* behaves as a particle or a wave, right in front of your eyes. Spooky action at a distance, right?\n
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    THIS FUCKING DOESN’T HAPPEN. The monkey will see the single blob from Figure 3 and only single blob, no matter whether it turns the second detector on or off! The interference pattern will NEVER shimmer back into existence. The light never switches between behaving like a wave and behaving like a particle. It always behaves the same way, all the time, everywhere in the universe - like fucking light!\n
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    So what do the physicists actually fucking mean when they say the interference pattern is “restored”? If you observe the photons hitting the screen *one at a time* and you correlate them with simultaneous detections at detector POL1, you can mark those events as either “yes coincidence” category A or “no coincidence” category B. If you look at just all the category A events (Figure 4) you will see an interference pattern, and just category B you will see another (Figure 5). You cannot see these patterns by eye on the screen! You have to use a computer to record the events individually and separate them, you will only ever see a single blob by eye. The two interference patterns are **subsets of that blob**. They were always part of it, their hills and valleys mesh together into a single continuum. NO ONE EVER FUCKING EXPLAINED THIS.\n
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    The detector POL1 has a linear polarizer filter in front of it, so straight out the gate it will not see 50% of the twinned photons at all, because they will get stuck in the filter. Your category A can never match more than 50% of events. It gets worse, since the non-linear crystal in reality has very low efficiency and most photons going through are not twinned, so you cannot measure category B directly. In the experiment they do it by rotating the filter 90°, which changes the correlation to category B. In the meme I show them as if the crystal was 100% efficient.\n
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    The delayed-choice quantum eraser works similarly - you only ever see a single blob and can never see the interference pattern shimmer in and out of existence. You need the correlation data from the second detector to split the blob into two intermeshed interference patterns using a computer. The [Sabine video](https://piped.video/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U) was the first one I’ve ever seen that explains this correctly. Every other popular science video up to that point has lied to me!\n
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        > cannot be accurately measured\n
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        I want to clarify that the “cannot” here refers **not** to the inadequacy of our tools (which hypothetically could have been fixed in the future by building better tools), but by a fundamental prohibition of the quantum mechanics theory. Practically, the single-photon lasers and detectors used here are like 90%+ efficient - plenty good enough to distinguish between the two monkey scenarios. But some observables in quantum mechanics are “orthogonal” - you can measure one or the other, but not both at the same time - the math will not allow it. The typical example of that is “position” and “momentum” of a particle.\n
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        The math is quite beautiful actually, the analogy I’d use is something like asking “Which way is east at the North Pole?” In your head you can either know “This direction is east.” or “I am standing at the North Pole.” but you cannot hold both pieces of knowledge in your head at the same time.\n
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        The orthogonal observables in this experiment are the “which-way top/bottom slit” information and the “which-interference-category Pattern 4/Pattern 5” information. It’s even more beautiful in the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that I was ranting about [here](https://mander.xyz/comment/3853598). There, both pieces of information are stored orthogonally in a single photon. You can choose at a later time to either measure it one way, which will tell you the which-way info, or in a different way, which will tell you the interference category info, but there is no hypothetical way to measure it in both. The only way you can get the category info out to allow your computer to draw the interference pattern is if you *guarantee* that the which-way information has been irrecoverably erased. It is as if the whole universe conspires to censor this information from you! But it’s just the consequence of the math rules in use.
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      The [recent post](https://lemmy.ml/post/6683375) made me fear that a lot of you are taking this “monkey looks at double-slits” meme, which was only ever supposed to be a funny monkey meme, actually seriously. Honorable mention goes to @kromem@lemmy.world, whose [12 posts](https://lemmy.world/comment/4639453) on the topic, insisting that the quantum eraser experiment (but *not* the delayed-choice quantum eraser!) proves that the double slit is somehow bizarre, forced me to make my own meme. This meme explains the (non-delayed choice) quantum eraser paper from [arXiv:quant-ph/0106078](https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106078) and the figures are numbered to reference the paper.\n
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      First of all, looking at the photons, you the conscious intelligent monkey, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. You can’t actually “see” the photons going through a slit the way you could see say a bowling ball. The only way to detect a photon is to absorb or reflect it, and if the photon is getting absorbed by your eye that means it’s not going through the slit or hitting the screen. The interference pattern stays visible on the screen WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOOK AT IT.\n
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      They’ve lied to you when they said the pattern changes when you “look” at which slit it the photon goes through. What the physicists actually do to measure the “which path” information is they put these circular polarizer filters in front of the slits, one clockwise one counterclockwise. Then the pattern disappears and you get this one single blob of density (Not even double! Figure 3). This is because light polarized in opposite directions cannot interfere with itself - wikipedia calls this the “[Fresnel–Arago laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel%E2%80%93Arago_laws)”. In principle you could have put a polarization detector in place of the screen and record which way the light hitting it is polarized, which would tell you which slit the photon must have went through. The physicists DON’T EVEN BOTHER DOING IT. The fact alone that the light is polarized when it hits the screen is sufficient to destroy the interference pattern.\n
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      Well, NO SHIT. You put these giant 3D glasses in front of the slits and you still expect to see interference? This is very much a “mechanical interaction”, not some “non-obtrusive conscious observation”. Everything that destroys coherence will ruin your quantum experiment! Mystery solved!\n
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      So what about the quantum eraser, @kromem will ask? Popular science has created this myth that you can look at the screen and you can make the interference pattern literally shimmer in and out of existence by just flipping a switch, connected to second detector positioned elsewhere, turning it off and on. An action at a distant place (the detector POL1 observing “twinned” entangled photons created by this fancy nonlinear barium crystal before the slits, Figure 1) changes whether light *over here* behaves as a particle or a wave, right in front of your eyes. Spooky action at a distance, right?\n
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      THIS FUCKING DOESN’T HAPPEN. The monkey will see the single blob from Figure 3 and only single blob, no matter whether it turns the second detector on or off! The interference pattern will NEVER shimmer back into existence. The light never switches between behaving like a wave and behaving like a particle. It always behaves the same way, all the time, everywhere in the universe - like fucking light!\n
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      So what do the physicists actually fucking mean when they say the interference pattern is “restored”? If you observe the photons hitting the screen *one at a time* and you correlate them with simultaneous detections at detector POL1, you can mark those events as either “yes coincidence” category A or “no coincidence” category B. If you look at just all the category A events (Figure 4) you will see an interference pattern, and just category B you will see another (Figure 5). You cannot see these patterns by eye on the screen! You have to use a computer to record the events individually and separate them, you will only ever see a single blob by eye. The two interference patterns are **subsets of that blob**. They were always part of it, their hills and valleys mesh together into a single continuum. NO ONE EVER FUCKING EXPLAINED THIS.\n
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      The detector POL1 has a linear polarizer filter in front of it, so straight out the gate it will not see 50% of the twinned photons at all, because they will get stuck in the filter. Your category A can never match more than 50% of events. It gets worse, since the non-linear crystal in reality has very low efficiency and most photons going through are not twinned, so you cannot measure category B directly. In the experiment they do it by rotating the filter 90°, which changes the correlation to category B. In the meme I show them as if the crystal was 100% efficient.\n
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      The delayed-choice quantum eraser works similarly - you only ever see a single blob and can never see the interference pattern shimmer in and out of existence. You need the correlation data from the second detector to split the blob into two intermeshed interference patterns using a computer. The [Sabine video](https://piped.video/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U) was the first one I’ve ever seen that explains this correctly. Every other popular science video up to that point has lied to me!\n
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      Whatever you do, DO NOT watch the DR. QUANTUM video with an open mind! (Not even going to link to it, @manual3204 linked it in the other thread.) It’s from a documentary produced by a literal UFO cult to promote their quantum woo woo, only masquerading as a quirky science video. It came out in the early days of youtube, when its production and animation quality were unusually high for its time, so it immediately became youtube’s go-to video for double slit experiment. Copies of it remain highly ranked there even to present day. It’s total baloney!
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    > cannot be accurately measured\n
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    I want to clarify that the “cannot” here refers **not** to the inadequacy of our tools (which hypothetically could have been fixed in the future by building better tools), but by a fundamental prohibition of the quantum mechanics theory. Practically, the single-photon lasers and detectors used here are like 90%+ efficient - plenty good enough to distinguish between the two monkey scenarios. But some observables in quantum mechanics are “orthogonal” - you can measure one or the other, but not both at the same time - the math will not allow it. The typical example of that is “position” and “momentum” of a particle.\n
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    The math is quite beautiful actually, the analogy I’d use is something like asking “Which way is east at the North Pole?” In your head you can either know “This direction is east.” or “I am standing at the North Pole.” but you cannot hold both pieces of knowledge in your head at the same time.\n
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    The orthogonal observables in this experiment are the “which-way top/bottom slit” information and the “which-interference-category Pattern 4/Pattern 5” information. It’s even more beautiful in the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that I was ranting about [here](https://mander.xyz/comment/3853598). There, both pieces of information are stored orthogonally in a single photon. You can choose at a later time to either measure it one way, which will tell you the which-way info, or in a different way, which will tell you the interference category info, but there is no hypothetical way to measure it in both. The only way you can get the category info out to allow your computer to draw the interference pattern is if you *guarantee* that the which-way information has been irrecoverably erased. It is as if the whole universe conspires to censor this information from you! But it’s just the consequence of the math rules in use.
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      The [recent post](https://lemmy.ml/post/6683375) made me fear that a lot of you are taking this “monkey looks at double-slits” meme, which was only ever supposed to be a funny monkey meme, actually seriously. Honorable mention goes to @kromem@lemmy.world, whose [12 posts](https://lemmy.world/comment/4639453) on the topic, insisting that the quantum eraser experiment (but *not* the delayed-choice quantum eraser!) proves that the double slit is somehow bizarre, forced me to make my own meme. This meme explains the (non-delayed choice) quantum eraser paper from [arXiv:quant-ph/0106078](https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106078) and the figures are numbered to reference the paper.\n
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      First of all, looking at the photons, you the conscious intelligent monkey, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. You can’t actually “see” the photons going through a slit the way you could see say a bowling ball. The only way to detect a photon is to absorb or reflect it, and if the photon is getting absorbed by your eye that means it’s not going through the slit or hitting the screen. The interference pattern stays visible on the screen WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOOK AT IT.\n
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      They’ve lied to you when they said the pattern changes when you “look” at which slit it the photon goes through. What the physicists actually do to measure the “which path” information is they put these circular polarizer filters in front of the slits, one clockwise one counterclockwise. Then the pattern disappears and you get this one single blob of density (Not even double! Figure 3). This is because light polarized in opposite directions cannot interfere with itself - wikipedia calls this the “[Fresnel–Arago laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel%E2%80%93Arago_laws)”. In principle you could have put a polarization detector in place of the screen and record which way the light hitting it is polarized, which would tell you which slit the photon must have went through. The physicists DON’T EVEN BOTHER DOING IT. The fact alone that the light is polarized when it hits the screen is sufficient to destroy the interference pattern.\n
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      Well, NO SHIT. You put these giant 3D glasses in front of the slits and you still expect to see interference? This is very much a “mechanical interaction”, not some “non-obtrusive conscious observation”. Everything that destroys coherence will ruin your quantum experiment! Mystery solved!\n
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      So what about the quantum eraser, @kromem will ask? Popular science has created this myth that you can look at the screen and you can make the interference pattern literally shimmer in and out of existence by just flipping a switch, connected to second detector positioned elsewhere, turning it off and on. An action at a distant place (the detector POL1 observing “twinned” entangled photons created by this fancy nonlinear barium crystal before the slits, Figure 1) changes whether light *over here* behaves as a particle or a wave, right in front of your eyes. Spooky action at a distance, right?\n
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      THIS FUCKING DOESN’T HAPPEN. The monkey will see the single blob from Figure 3 and only single blob, no matter whether it turns the second detector on or off! The interference pattern will NEVER shimmer back into existence. The light never switches between behaving like a wave and behaving like a particle. It always behaves the same way, all the time, everywhere in the universe - like fucking light!\n
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      So what do the physicists actually fucking mean when they say the interference pattern is “restored”? If you observe the photons hitting the screen *one at a time* and you correlate them with simultaneous detections at detector POL1, you can mark those events as either “yes coincidence” category A or “no coincidence” category B. If you look at just all the category A events (Figure 4) you will see an interference pattern, and just category B you will see another (Figure 5). You cannot see these patterns by eye on the screen! You have to use a computer to record the events individually and separate them, you will only ever see a single blob by eye. The two interference patterns are **subsets of that blob**. They were always part of it, their hills and valleys mesh together into a single continuum. NO ONE EVER FUCKING EXPLAINED THIS.\n
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      The detector POL1 has a linear polarizer filter in front of it, so straight out the gate it will not see 50% of the twinned photons at all, because they will get stuck in the filter. Your category A can never match more than 50% of events. It gets worse, since the non-linear crystal in reality has very low efficiency and most photons going through are not twinned, so you cannot measure category B directly. In the experiment they do it by rotating the filter 90°, which changes the correlation to category B. In the meme I show them as if the crystal was 100% efficient.\n
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      The delayed-choice quantum eraser works similarly - you only ever see a single blob and can never see the interference pattern shimmer in and out of existence. You need the correlation data from the second detector to split the blob into two intermeshed interference patterns using a computer. The [Sabine video](https://piped.video/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U) was the first one I’ve ever seen that explains this correctly. Every other popular science video up to that point has lied to me!\n
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      Whatever you do, DO NOT watch the DR. QUANTUM video with an open mind! (Not even going to link to it, @manual3204 linked it in the other thread.) It’s from a documentary produced by a literal UFO cult to promote their quantum woo woo, only masquerading as a quirky science video. It came out in the early days of youtube, when its production and animation quality were unusually high for its time, so it immediately became youtube’s go-to video for double slit experiment. Copies of it remain highly ranked there even to present day. It’s total baloney!
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    > cannot be accurately measured\n
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    I want to clarify that the “cannot” here refers **not** to the inadequacy of our tools (which hypothetically could have been fixed in the future by building better tools), but by a fundamental prohibition of the quantum mechanics theory. Practically, the single-photon lasers and detectors used here are like 90%+ efficient - plenty good enough to distinguish between the two monkey scenarios. But some observables in quantum mechanics are “orthogonal” - you can measure one or the other, but not both at the same time - the math will not allow it. The typical example of that is “position” and “momentum” of a particle.\n
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    The math is quite beautiful actually, the analogy I’d use is something like asking “Which way is east at the North Pole?” In your head you can either know “This direction is east.” or “I am standing at the North Pole.” but you cannot hold both pieces of knowledge in your head at the same time.\n
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    The orthogonal observables in this experiment are the “which-way top/bottom slit” information and the “which-interference-category Pattern 4/Pattern 5” information. It’s even more beautiful in the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that I was ranting about [here](https://mander.xyz/comment/3853598). There, both pieces of information are stored orthogonally in a single photon. You can choose at a later time to either measure it one way, which will tell you the which-way info, or in a different way, which will tell you the interference category info, but there is no hypothetical way to measure it in both. The only way you can get the category info out to allow your computer to draw the interference pattern is if you *guarantee* that the which-way information has been irrecoverably erased. It is as if the whole universe conspires to censor this information from you! But it’s just the consequence of the math rules in use.
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      The [recent post](https://lemmy.ml/post/6683375) made me fear that a lot of you are taking this “monkey looks at double-slits” meme, which was only ever supposed to be a funny monkey meme, actually seriously. Honorable mention goes to @kromem@lemmy.world, whose [12 posts](https://lemmy.world/comment/4639453) on the topic, insisting that the quantum eraser experiment (but *not* the delayed-choice quantum eraser!) proves that the double slit is somehow bizarre, forced me to make my own meme. This meme explains the (non-delayed choice) quantum eraser paper from [arXiv:quant-ph/0106078](https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106078) and the figures are numbered to reference the paper.\n
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      First of all, looking at the photons, you the conscious intelligent monkey, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. You can’t actually “see” the photons going through a slit the way you could see say a bowling ball. The only way to detect a photon is to absorb or reflect it, and if the photon is getting absorbed by your eye that means it’s not going through the slit or hitting the screen. The interference pattern stays visible on the screen WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOOK AT IT.\n
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      They’ve lied to you when they said the pattern changes when you “look” at which slit it the photon goes through. What the physicists actually do to measure the “which path” information is they put these circular polarizer filters in front of the slits, one clockwise one counterclockwise. Then the pattern disappears and you get this one single blob of density (Not even double! Figure 3). This is because light polarized in opposite directions cannot interfere with itself - wikipedia calls this the “[Fresnel–Arago laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel%E2%80%93Arago_laws)”. In principle you could have put a polarization detector in place of the screen and record which way the light hitting it is polarized, which would tell you which slit the photon must have went through. The physicists DON’T EVEN BOTHER DOING IT. The fact alone that the light is polarized when it hits the screen is sufficient to destroy the interference pattern.\n
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      Well, NO SHIT. You put these giant 3D glasses in front of the slits and you still expect to see interference? This is very much a “mechanical interaction”, not some “non-obtrusive conscious observation”. Everything that destroys coherence will ruin your quantum experiment! Mystery solved!\n
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      So what about the quantum eraser, @kromem will ask? Popular science has created this myth that you can look at the screen and you can make the interference pattern literally shimmer in and out of existence by just flipping a switch, connected to second detector positioned elsewhere, turning it off and on. An action at a distant place (the detector POL1 observing “twinned” entangled photons created by this fancy nonlinear barium crystal before the slits, Figure 1) changes whether light *over here* behaves as a particle or a wave, right in front of your eyes. Spooky action at a distance, right?\n
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      THIS FUCKING DOESN’T HAPPEN. The monkey will see the single blob from Figure 3 and only single blob, no matter whether it turns the second detector on or off! The interference pattern will NEVER shimmer back into existence. The light never switches between behaving like a wave and behaving like a particle. It always behaves the same way, all the time, everywhere in the universe - like fucking light!\n
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      So what do the physicists actually fucking mean when they say the interference pattern is “restored”? If you observe the photons hitting the screen *one at a time* and you correlate them with simultaneous detections at detector POL1, you can mark those events as either “yes coincidence” category A or “no coincidence” category B. If you look at just all the category A events (Figure 4) you will see an interference pattern, and just category B you will see another (Figure 5). You cannot see these patterns by eye on the screen! You have to use a computer to record the events individually and separate them, you will only ever see a single blob by eye. The two interference patterns are **subsets of that blob**. They were always part of it, their hills and valleys mesh together into a single continuum. NO ONE EVER FUCKING EXPLAINED THIS.\n
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      The detector POL1 has a linear polarizer filter in front of it, so straight out the gate it will not see 50% of the twinned photons at all, because they will get stuck in the filter. Your category A can never match more than 50% of events. It gets worse, since the non-linear crystal in reality has very low efficiency and most photons going through are not twinned, so you cannot measure category B directly. In the experiment they do it by rotating the filter 90°, which changes the correlation to category B. In the meme I show them as if the crystal was 100% efficient.\n
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      The delayed-choice quantum eraser works similarly - you only ever see a single blob and can never see the interference pattern shimmer in and out of existence. You need the correlation data from the second detector to split the blob into two intermeshed interference patterns using a computer. The [Sabine video](https://piped.video/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U) was the first one I’ve ever seen that explains this correctly. Every other popular science video up to that point has lied to me!\n
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      Whatever you do, DO NOT watch the DR. QUANTUM video with an open mind! (Not even going to link to it, @manual3204 linked it in the other thread.) It’s from a documentary produced by a literal UFO cult to promote their quantum woo woo, only masquerading as a quirky science video. It came out in the early days of youtube, when its production and animation quality were unusually high for its time, so it immediately became youtube’s go-to video for double slit experiment. Copies of it remain highly ranked there even to present day. It’s total baloney!
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    > cannot be accurately measured\n
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    I want to clarify that the “cannot” here refers **not** to the inadequacy of our tools (which hypothetically could have been fixed in the future by building better tools), but by a fundamental prohibition of the quantum mechanics theory. Practically, the single-photon lasers and detectors used here are like 90%+ efficient - plenty good enough to distinguish between the two monkey scenarios. But some observables in quantum mechanics are “orthogonal” - you can measure one or the other, but not both at the same time - the math will not allow it. The typical example of that is “position” and “momentum” of a particle.\n
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    The math is quite beautiful actually, the analogy I’d use is something like asking “Which way is east at the North Pole?” In your head you can either know “This direction is east.” or “I am standing at the North Pole.” but you cannot hold both pieces of knowledge in your head at the same time.\n
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    The orthogonal observables in this experiment are the “which-way top/bottom slit” information and the “which-interference-category Pattern 4/Pattern 5” information. It’s even more beautiful in the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that I was ranting about [here](https://mander.xyz/comment/3853598). There, both pieces of information are stored orthogonally in a single photon. You can choose at a later time to either measure it one way, which will tell you the which-way info, or in a different way, which will tell you the interference category info, but there is no hypothetical way to measure it in both. The only way you can get the category info out to allow your computer to draw the interference pattern is if you *guarantee* that the which-way information has been irrecoverably erased. It is as if the whole universe conspires to censor this information from you! But it’s just the consequence of the math rules in use.
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