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Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.122
Profiled on
Token
865de9

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
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Listener Duration Response 
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  -httpsPort: 443
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
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  -registered: false
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 1.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.05 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
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  -options: [
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  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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      \n
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      \n
      If your post meets the following criteria, it’s welcome here!\n
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      3. **Not regarding using or support for Lemmy**: [context](https://lemmy.ml/post/1223478), find help in the list of support alternatives below\n
      4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members\n
      5. [An actual topic of discussion](https://lemmy.ml/post/1239589)\n
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      Support alternatives:\n
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    There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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    You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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    Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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    <https://electionscience.org/>
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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          ---\n
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          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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          Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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      Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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          Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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          I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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          This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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          Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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          Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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          And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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          Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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          <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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          Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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          <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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          And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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      Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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          Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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          I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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          This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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          Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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          Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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          Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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          <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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          Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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          <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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          And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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      Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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      <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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            Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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            This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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            Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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            Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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            ---\n
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            The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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            Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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            <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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            Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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            <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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            There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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            You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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            And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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        Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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        <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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        <https://electionscience.org/>
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    Approval is super easy and can be used at small scale, and at large scale too.\n
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            Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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            I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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            This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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            Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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            Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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            The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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            <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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            There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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        Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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        <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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        A good runner-up would be Approval.\n
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        <https://electionscience.org/>
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    Approval is super easy and can be used at small scale, and at large scale too.\n
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            Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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            This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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            The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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            <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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            There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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            You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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            And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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        Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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        <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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        A good runner-up would be Approval.\n
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        <https://electionscience.org/>
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    Approval is super easy and can be used at small scale, and at large scale too.\n
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    Doing it at large scale, is just scaling it up. And the great thing is, it easily handles as many options as you throw at it.
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          Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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          I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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          This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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          Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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          Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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          And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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          Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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          <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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      Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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      <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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      Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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          Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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          Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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          <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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      Absolute best would be STAR.\n
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      <https://electionscience.org/>
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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        This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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        Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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        Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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        The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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        Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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        Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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        <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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        Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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        There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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        You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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  +body: "There’s also [Single Transferable Vote](https://youtu.be/l8XOZJkozfI)."
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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      This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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      Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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      Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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      The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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      Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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      Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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      <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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      There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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      You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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      And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
        \n
        I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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        This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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        Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
        \n
        Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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        And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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        Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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        ---\n
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        The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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        Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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        Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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        <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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        Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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        <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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        There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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        You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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        And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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    Do you have 3 hours?\n
    \n
    This live stream explains it all.\n
    \n
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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    The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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    The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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    An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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    RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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    ---\n
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    STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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    STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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        This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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        Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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        The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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        Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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        <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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        There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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        You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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    Do you have 3 hours?\n
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    This live stream explains it all.\n
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    The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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        Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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        This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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        Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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        And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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        Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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        ---\n
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        The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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        Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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        Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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        <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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        Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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        <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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        There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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        You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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        And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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    Do you have 3 hours?\n
    \n
    This live stream explains it all.\n
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    The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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    The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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    STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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    STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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          Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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          I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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          This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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          Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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          <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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          Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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          <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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      Do you have 3 hours?\n
      \n
      This live stream explains it all.\n
      \n
      <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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      The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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      The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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      RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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      STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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          Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
          \n
          I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
          \n
          This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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          Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
          \n
          Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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          And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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          Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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          ---\n
          \n
          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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          <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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          Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
          \n
          <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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          \n
          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
          \n
          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
          \n
          And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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      Do you have 3 hours?\n
      \n
      This live stream explains it all.\n
      \n
      <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
      \n
      The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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      The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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      An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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      RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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      ---\n
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      STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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      STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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          Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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          I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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          This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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          Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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          Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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          And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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          Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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          The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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          Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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          Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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          <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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          Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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          <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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          There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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          You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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          And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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      Do you have 3 hours?\n
      \n
      This live stream explains it all.\n
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      <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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      The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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      The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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      RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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      STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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      STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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            Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
            \n
            I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
            \n
            This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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            Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
            \n
            Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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            And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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            Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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            ---\n
            \n
            The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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            Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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            Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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            <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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            Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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            <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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            There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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            You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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            And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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        Do you have 3 hours?\n
        \n
        This live stream explains it all.\n
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        <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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        The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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        The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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        An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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        RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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        STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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        STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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    RCV is the single winner version of STV.\n
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    Every single fault of RCV is present in STV, but because it's a multi-winner format, the complexity and lack of transparency in the counting process are far worse.\n
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    If you really want proportional or multi-winner elections, then a better option [is this](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Sequentially_Spent_Score).\n
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    It's based off of Score the same way that STAR is, but tweaked to be multi-winner.
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            Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
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            I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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            This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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            Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
            \n
            Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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            And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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            Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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            ---\n
            \n
            The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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            Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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            Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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            <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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            Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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            <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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            ---\n
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            There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
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            You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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            And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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        +body: "I’m trying to figure out the pros and cons of the STAR Voting method versus the pros and cons of the STV method. Can anyone help fill me in?"
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        Do you have 3 hours?\n
        \n
        This live stream explains it all.\n
        \n
        <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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        The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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        The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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        An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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        RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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        ---\n
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        STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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        STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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    RCV is the single winner version of STV.\n
    \n
    Every single fault of RCV is present in STV, but because it's a multi-winner format, the complexity and lack of transparency in the counting process are far worse.\n
    \n
    If you really want proportional or multi-winner elections, then a better option [is this](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Sequentially_Spent_Score).\n
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    It's based off of Score the same way that STAR is, but tweaked to be multi-winner.
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            Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
            \n
            I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
            \n
            This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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            Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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            Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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            And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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            Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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            ---\n
            \n
            The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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            Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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            Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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            <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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            Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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            <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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            ---\n
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            There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
            \n
            You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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            And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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        +body: "I’m trying to figure out the pros and cons of the STAR Voting method versus the pros and cons of the STV method. Can anyone help fill me in?"
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        Do you have 3 hours?\n
        \n
        This live stream explains it all.\n
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        <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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        The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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        The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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        An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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        RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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        STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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        STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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    RCV is the single winner version of STV.\n
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    Every single fault of RCV is present in STV, but because it's a multi-winner format, the complexity and lack of transparency in the counting process are far worse.\n
    \n
    If you really want proportional or multi-winner elections, then a better option [is this](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Sequentially_Spent_Score).\n
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    It's based off of Score the same way that STAR is, but tweaked to be multi-winner.
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              Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
              \n
              I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
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              This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
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              Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
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              Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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              Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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              ---\n
              \n
              The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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              Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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              Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
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              <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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              Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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              <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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              There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
              \n
              You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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              And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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          Do you have 3 hours?\n
          \n
          This live stream explains it all.\n
          \n
          <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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          The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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          The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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          An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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          RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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          STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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          STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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      RCV is the single winner version of STV.\n
      \n
      Every single fault of RCV is present in STV, but because it's a multi-winner format, the complexity and lack of transparency in the counting process are far worse.\n
      \n
      If you really want proportional or multi-winner elections, then a better option [is this](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Sequentially_Spent_Score).\n
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      It's based off of Score the same way that STAR is, but tweaked to be multi-winner.
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    Ah, okay - thanks for the explanation.\n
    \n
    I do like the idea of multi-winner elections because of the increased chance of having a representative for your specific issues taken to a national assembly. In the UK things are split up into boroughs, which seems illogical for cities and aside from being grandfathered in likely only persists because it enables gerrymandering.
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              Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
              \n
              I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
              \n
              This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
              \n
              Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
              \n
              Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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              And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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              Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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              ---\n
              \n
              The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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              Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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              Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
              \n
              <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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              Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
              \n
              <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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              \n
              There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
              \n
              You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
              \n
              And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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          Do you have 3 hours?\n
          \n
          This live stream explains it all.\n
          \n
          <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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          The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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          The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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          An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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          RCV claims to support third parties and solve the spoiler effect. The truth is the opposite in every way. It eliminates fringe parties that would spoil elections, but also falls prey to spoiler effects when you have very similar candidates. It's actually a mess.\n
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          STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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          STAR is literally a 5-star review of the candidates, and the two with the highest average (or just highest scores) are then put head to head. Each ballot is then looked at, if Chocolate Milkshakes are rated higher on any given ballot than Banana Smoothies, Milkshakes get the vote of that person. If they're the same, a vote of No Preference is logged, and the No Preference votes are also made public at the end.
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      RCV is the single winner version of STV.\n
      \n
      Every single fault of RCV is present in STV, but because it's a multi-winner format, the complexity and lack of transparency in the counting process are far worse.\n
      \n
      If you really want proportional or multi-winner elections, then a better option [is this](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Sequentially_Spent_Score).\n
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      It's based off of Score the same way that STAR is, but tweaked to be multi-winner.
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    Ah, okay - thanks for the explanation.\n
    \n
    I do like the idea of multi-winner elections because of the increased chance of having a representative for your specific issues taken to a national assembly. In the UK things are split up into boroughs, which seems illogical for cities and aside from being grandfathered in likely only persists because it enables gerrymandering.
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              Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...\n
              \n
              I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.\n
              \n
              This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.\n
              \n
              Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.\n
              \n
              Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.\n
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              And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.\n
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              Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.\n
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              ---\n
              \n
              The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.\n
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              Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.\n
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              Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.\n
              \n
              <https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results>\n
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              Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.\n
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              <https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php>\n
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              \n
              There are vastly better options than RCV.\n
              \n
              You can read up on them here. <https://www.starvoting.org/>\n
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              And here, <https://electionscience.org/>
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          Do you have 3 hours?\n
          \n
          This live stream explains it all.\n
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          <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzK3YIAf8>\n
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          The TLDR, or TLDW here;\n
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          The difference between RCV (also called IRV) and STAR is the difference between an Ordinal system and a Cardinal system.\n
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          An Ordinal system is a ranked system. Chose one or the other, but never both. A vote for A means you cannot also support B. This lead to some [math shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem) that actually gives preferential treatment to two party systems.\n
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          ---\n
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          STAR on the other hand is a Cardinal voting system. A vote for A is a vote for A and a Vote for B has no impact on A. A good example is saying that I give Chocolate Milkshakes 5 out of 5 stars and New Coke 1 out of 5. But here's the main difference to an Ordinal system, I can also give a Banana Smoothies 5 out of 5 stars. Because I'm rating them as individuals, not in comparison to each other.\n
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      RCV is the single winner version of STV.\n
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      Every single fault of RCV is present in STV, but because it's a multi-winner format, the complexity and lack of transparency in the counting process are far worse.\n
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      If you really want proportional or multi-winner elections, then a better option [is this](https://electowiki.org/wiki/Sequentially_Spent_Score).\n
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    Ah, okay - thanks for the explanation.\n
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    I do like the idea of multi-winner elections because of the increased chance of having a representative for your specific issues taken to a national assembly. In the UK things are split up into boroughs, which seems illogical for cities and aside from being grandfathered in likely only persists because it enables gerrymandering.
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