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    Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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    In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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      +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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      +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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      +body: """
        Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
        \n
        I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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        With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
        """
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      +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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        Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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        Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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        I’d love to see this pass.\n
        \n
        Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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        If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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        That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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        I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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        I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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        A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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    Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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      +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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        Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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        I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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        With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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      +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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        Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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        Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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        I’d love to see this pass.\n
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        Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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        If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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        That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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        I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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        I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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        A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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      +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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      +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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        Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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        I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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      +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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        Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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        Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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        I’d love to see this pass.\n
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        Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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        If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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        That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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        I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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        I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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        A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb9aa3a3-f1a2-40aa-8a50-571149c0cc18.png)
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb9aa3a3-f1a2-40aa-8a50-571149c0cc18.png)
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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  +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb9aa3a3-f1a2-40aa-8a50-571149c0cc18.png)
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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  +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "You’re not wrong. At the same time, I’m looking for steps, specifics."
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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    Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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    I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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    With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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    Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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    I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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    With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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    Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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    I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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    With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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  +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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  +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb9aa3a3-f1a2-40aa-8a50-571149c0cc18.png)
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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    Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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    Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb9aa3a3-f1a2-40aa-8a50-571149c0cc18.png)
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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    Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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    Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "You’re not wrong. At the same time, I’m looking for steps, specifics."
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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    Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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    Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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    I’d love to see this pass.\n
    \n
    Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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    If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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    That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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    I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "You’re not wrong. At the same time, I’m looking for steps, specifics."
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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    I’d love to see this pass.\n
    \n
    Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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    If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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    That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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    I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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    I’d love to see this pass.\n
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    Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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    If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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    That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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    I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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    I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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    I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb9aa3a3-f1a2-40aa-8a50-571149c0cc18.png)
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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      In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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        +body: "You’re not wrong. At the same time, I’m looking for steps, specifics."
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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          Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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    I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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    A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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    Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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          I’m not aware of any state level referendums on universal healthcare (which doesn’t mean that there haven’t been any) and there isn’t a national level referendum. (Although in googling this to confirm that I found an [interesting article](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/is-the-time-ripe-for-national-referendums-in-the-us-/46116612) about implementing a national referendum)\n
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          With the Medicare for All Act it’s been introduced as a bill, but as I understand the process it first needs to be reviewed by a committee and voted out of that committee before the senate or house can consider it to possibly hold a vote. Then it needs to do the same thing in the other chamber of congress. So you can imagine that’s a lot more convoluted process than a referendum, and while voters may ask their representative to pass it, plenty of opportunities for legislators to say, “oops, some technicality or person who’s not me has stalled the process.”
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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    A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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    Another factor to consider here is people don’t vote directly for policies. They vote for legislators who then decide which policies are a priority, and can interpret for themselves, right or wrong, what it is their constituents voted them in to do.
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      Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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        +body: "What referendums are you referring to? In my state at least we don’t have the ballot initiative."
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        +body: "I think comment above yours has a point. It’s not a question of whether or not it works, it’s a question of getting people on board, and fending off vested interests like insurance companies. So maybe getting it done in one place would be more attainable, and serve as an advertisement. For me at least, I’m asking *how* we do it. Saying “we just have to do it” isn’t actionable advice."
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          Ah, so a referendum is a direct vote by the population on a given issue - for example a lot of states have passed recreational marijuana referendums, in my opinion at least because a lot of lawmakers didn’t want to to be seen as supporting it, but you can’t get blamed if the public approved it directly.\n
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        +body: "Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not asking how the mechanics of the healthcare would work once a bill is passed. How do we even get that far? Our elected representatives don’t seem to have substantive interest (a few bright spots aside) and while polls often show majority support amongst the public, the results can vary a lot based on how the question is asked. So big picture / long term just as a start we need more perfect democracy, and we need better awareness and advocacy of the idea. In terms of first steps and short term (I think regretfully a decade or two is short term) I could see an argument to implement it in a specific state, or expanding medicare for certain age groups or something like that. But I don’t know! That’s why I’m asking."
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          Thanks for the helpful links! Some of the comparison charts are pretty grim for the U.S.\n
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          Are you aware of any sources on the ins and outs of public support for universal care when it was being implemented in other countries, or the political climate? I think knowing the destination is one thing, but getting there is more what I was focused on when talking about a pathway.
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          I’d love to see this pass.\n
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          Here are links to see who has co-sponsored these bills: [House](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3421) / [Senate](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s1655)\n
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          If your senator or legislator has not sponsored that could be one action - call or write them asking them to support the bill.\n
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          That said, I volunteered with a group for a few years trying to pass an unrelated bill at the state level, which in at least one session had more than 50% of the chamber co-sponsoring, but we still couldn’t get our bill out of committee. Eventually, the bill actually was voted out of committee, only to add amendments that made our bill do the opposite of what it was intended to, and then we had to rally votes against it. Eventually I moved and kind of dropped out of that organization, but the reform we support still has not been passed. And that was for a non-partisan issue.\n
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          I don’t know the methodology that govtrack uses, but they give the Medicare for All act a 0% chance of being enacted. So I’m interested in more ideas on the nuts and bolts of passing a bill like this.
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          I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb9aa3a3-f1a2-40aa-8a50-571149c0cc18.png)
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    A [57% majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx) say the government should ensure health coverage. Of course then 53% say the system should be based on private insurance, which is contradictory.\n
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