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> It’s used for the Firefox brand of products\n
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where?
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "It isn’t about the list of approved licenses, it’s about the criteria for being added to the list. New licenses regularly meet the definition. This license clearly does not."
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
\n
saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
\n
if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
\n
There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
\n
And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
\n
It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
\n
saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
\n
if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
\n
As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
\n
And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
\n
if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.
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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.\n
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adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit\n
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(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)
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> I can understand why someone would say open source\n
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I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the [widely agreed-upon](https://opensource.org/authority/) definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.
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+body: "since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/) (this is not even a controversial topic)"
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> there is no single universally agreed upon definition\n
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There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: [opensource.org/authority/](https://opensource.org/authority/)\n
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And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even *they* all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like [source-available software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software) for their products that don’t meet it.\n
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Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.\n
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> there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?\n
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There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.\n
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Have you read [The Open Source Definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition)? I’m assuming not.\n
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> I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.\n
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It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the [free and open source software movements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.
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> deviating slightly from pure open source principles\n
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saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.\n
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if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?\n
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> to protect their users from scammy clones\n
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As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using *trademark* law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.\n
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> TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community\n
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In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a ***copyright*** license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.
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oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄\n
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But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.\n
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