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Security

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Firewall

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
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12 
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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      - Lemmy code of conduct: [join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html)::: :::spoiler 2. Be civil\n
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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3 DENIED edit 
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      - Lemmy code of conduct: [join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html)::: :::spoiler 2. Be civil\n
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      - Leave remarks of “peasantry” to the PCMR community. If you dislike an OS/service/application, attack the *thing* you dislike, not the individuals who use it. Some people may not have a choice.\n
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      - These rules are somewhat loosened when the subject is a public figure. Still, do not attack their person or incite harrassment. :::\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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      \n
      - Instance-wide TOS: [legal.lemmy.world/tos/](https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/)\n
      - Lemmy code of conduct: [join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html)::: :::spoiler 2. Be civil\n
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      - Leave remarks of “peasantry” to the PCMR community. If you dislike an OS/service/application, attack the *thing* you dislike, not the individuals who use it. Some people may not have a choice.\n
      - Bigotry will not be tolerated.\n
      - These rules are somewhat loosened when the subject is a public figure. Still, do not attack their person or incite harrassment. :::\n
      \n
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        I see way more posts that are pro-systemd than anti these days, so I think you might be tilting at windmills a bit.\n
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      I don’t know, I’m not a power-user so systemd is just a thing in the background, I don’t have much opinions over it.\n
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    I understand what you mean. If you are on the fence and not super interested in init systems, you can pretty easily get by with systemd without thinking about it. Most desktop environments have tools to manage user services in easy GUI’s, and you can find guides for anything more advanced you want to accomplish with them usually.\n
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        I see way more posts that are pro-systemd than anti these days, so I think you might be tilting at windmills a bit.\n
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      I don’t know, I’m not a power-user so systemd is just a thing in the background, I don’t have much opinions over it.\n
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    I understand what you mean. If you are on the fence and not super interested in init systems, you can pretty easily get by with systemd without thinking about it. Most desktop environments have tools to manage user services in easy GUI’s, and you can find guides for anything more advanced you want to accomplish with them usually.\n
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    My personal advice if you want to go that path is to just open up some service files. There are lots of interesting examples in `/lib/systemd/system` Systemd service files are just plain text, and pretty straightforward to read. Its divided into nice sections, and naming is pretty straightforward (Or the systemd brainworms are really in deep). Look for names you recognize or programs you use. Especially ones you are familiar with on the command line. I don’t recommend changing them to start, especially in the system directory, just open a couple and you should quickly start seeing the connections between what they are trying to accomplish and whats in each file. Then if you see anything you don’t understand or peaks your curiousity check the documentation. Once you’re ready try writing one of your own for something in the usr service directory. No pressure though, its not necessarily essential knowledge
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        I see way more posts that are pro-systemd than anti these days, so I think you might be tilting at windmills a bit.\n
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        I would love to think about systemd less, but I’ve worked with it professionally since a year or so before Debian switched while I was an intern working in embedded. I got to see the flame wars and shaped my opinion of systemd by wrestling with its growing pains. Writing your own service files and working with DBus was ass back then, and while it has gotten better, my patience with it has diminished. In the end the frustration was enough that after I ditched windows, systemd was the next to go.\n
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        That would be the end of it, but other programs keep growing annoying systemd dependencies or their projects get swallowed up by the systemd ecosystem entirely. I was so excited at the start to work with the parallel execution and dependency management, but the number of times systemd broke something, swallowed up the output, and then corrupted its own journal and lost the logs really turned me against it.
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      I don’t know, I’m not a power-user so systemd is just a thing in the background, I don’t have much opinions over it.\n
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      > I think you might be tilting at windmills a bit.\n
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    I understand what you mean. If you are on the fence and not super interested in init systems, you can pretty easily get by with systemd without thinking about it. Most desktop environments have tools to manage user services in easy GUI’s, and you can find guides for anything more advanced you want to accomplish with them usually.\n
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    Based on the video someone posted, it’s not very portable either.\n
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    Mmm I have a general dislike of systemd because it doesn’t adhere to the “do one thing and do it well” approach of traditional Unix systems.\n
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