GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/m/linux@lemmy.ml/t/9049/Fedora-or-Mint-for-noob/top

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.88
Profiled on
Token
9c3350

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 
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12 
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13 
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14 
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    A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
    \n
    Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
    \n
    However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
    \n
    Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
    \n
    What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)\n
    \n
    EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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    I’ve only tried Ubuntu-based Mint, but LMDE is more future-proof so it will probably be that.
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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    A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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    Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
    \n
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      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      So you’re a power user? Case in point, you’d be better for Fedora.\n
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        > laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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        > university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora\n
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    > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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    > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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    > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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        I recommend Mint.\n
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        Chances are your friend’s secondary laptop doesn’t have extra resources for Gnome to run smoothly. Sad thing is nowadays Gnome is very heavy and bloated.\n
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        Also, he may try both distros live-usb. Maybe he don’t care about Mint looking outdated. But if he does, you may try Fedora live-usb and check if university wifi works properly.\n
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      Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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      > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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      You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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  +body: "Mint doesn’t have to look outdated if you put a little work into it. Check out this fellow’s rice in unixporn: [reddit.com/…/cinnamon_available_as_installable_is…](https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/17dwneg/cinnamon_available_as_installable_iso/)"
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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      > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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      You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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        I recommend Mint.\n
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        Chances are your friend’s secondary laptop doesn’t have extra resources for Gnome to run smoothly. Sad thing is nowadays Gnome is very heavy and bloated.\n
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        Also, he may try both distros live-usb. Maybe he don’t care about Mint looking outdated. But if he does, you may try Fedora live-usb and check if university wifi works properly.\n
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        It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.
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      Good ideas, I will consider that.\n
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      > It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.\n
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      You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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        > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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    > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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          In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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        > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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    > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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        > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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    > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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            In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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          > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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      However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.\n
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      EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.\n
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            In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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            That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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        Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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        It’s just straight-up better supported
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      > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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      Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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            In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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            That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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        Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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      > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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            > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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          Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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          It’s just straight-up better supported
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        > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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        Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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    > anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint\n
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    Addon repositories can cause incompatibilities. Random individually downloaded deb package here, some random PPA there, spice it up with the Mint add-on repo to Ubuntu, and you can end up with a broken system (let’s say I learned the hard way a good amount of years ago only to combine a few handpicked repos).
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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              That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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          Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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        > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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        Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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    > anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint\n
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    Addon repositories can cause incompatibilities. Random individually downloaded deb package here, some random PPA there, spice it up with the Mint add-on repo to Ubuntu, and you can end up with a broken system (let’s say I learned the hard way a good amount of years ago only to combine a few handpicked repos).
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      A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.\n
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      Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.\n
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              In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.\n
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              That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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            Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.
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          Okay, but Mint has Flathub *and* the deb ecosystem.\n
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          It’s just straight-up better supported
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        > Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.\n
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        Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.
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    > anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint\n
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      > That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.\n
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      Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.\n
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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