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    > > there’s nothing inherently gatekeeping about it;\n
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    > Yes there is. It’s defining folk who medically transition as being a different class of trans folk. We’re not a different class. We all of us have unique needs, and the language should focus on those individual needs, whether they’re medical, social or other.\n
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