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    > My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.\n
    \n
    Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain [has been prolific](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/65cf14a5-108d-4ffb-a3ea-ea28b2e610d5.jpeg).) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.\n
    \n
    (If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)\n
    \n
    Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to *not* pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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      =========================================\n
      \n
      > A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.\n
      \n
      ![](https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/139561f5-2f4d-48a6-aef0-65943d6d97d3.png)\n
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      ---\n
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      **Rules**\n
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      2. Keep it rooted (on topic).\n
      3. No spam.\n
      4. Infographics welcome, get schooled.\n
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      ---\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      Research Committee\n
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      \n
      - [!spiders@lemmy.world](/c/spiders@lemmy.world)\n
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      ### Science and Research\n
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      - [!scicomm@mander.xyz](/c/scicomm@mander.xyz)\n
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      - [!answered@mander.xyz](/c/answered@mander.xyz)\n
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    ---\n
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