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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 DENIED moderate 
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    Having read your article, I contend it should be:  \n
    P(arentheses)  \n
    E(xponents)  \n
    M(ultiplication)D(ivision)  \n
    A(ddition)S(ubtraction)  \n
    and strong juxtaposition should be thrown out the window.\n
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    Why? Well, to be clear, *I would prefer **one** of them die so we can get past this argument that pops up every few years* so weak or strong doesn’t matter much to me, and I think weak juxtaposition is more easily taught and more easily supported by PEMDAS. I’m not saying it receives direct support, but rather the lack of instruction has us fall back on what we know as an overarching rule (multiplication and division are equal). Strong juxtaposition has an additional ruling to PEMDAS that specifies this specific case, whereas weak juxtaposition doesn’t need an additional ruling (and I would argue anyone who says otherwise isn’t logically extrapolating from the PEMDAS ruleset). I don’t think the sides are as equal as people pose.\n
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    To note, yes, PEMDAS is a teaching tool and yes there are obviously other ways of thinking of math. But do those matter? The mathematical system we currently use will work for any usecase it does currently regardless of the juxtaposition we pick, brackets/parentheses (as well as better ordering of operations when writing them down) can pick up any slack. Weak juxtaposition provides better benefits because it has less rules (and is thusly simpler).\n
    \n
    But again, I really don’t care. Just let one die. Kill it, if you have to.
    """
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3 DENIED edit 
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    Having read your article, I contend it should be:  \n
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    M(ultiplication)D(ivision)  \n
    A(ddition)S(ubtraction)  \n
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    Having read your article, I contend it should be:  \n
    P(arentheses)  \n
    E(xponents)  \n
    M(ultiplication)D(ivision)  \n
    A(ddition)S(ubtraction)  \n
    and strong juxtaposition should be thrown out the window.\n
    \n
    Why? Well, to be clear, *I would prefer **one** of them die so we can get past this argument that pops up every few years* so weak or strong doesn’t matter much to me, and I think weak juxtaposition is more easily taught and more easily supported by PEMDAS. I’m not saying it receives direct support, but rather the lack of instruction has us fall back on what we know as an overarching rule (multiplication and division are equal). Strong juxtaposition has an additional ruling to PEMDAS that specifies this specific case, whereas weak juxtaposition doesn’t need an additional ruling (and I would argue anyone who says otherwise isn’t logically extrapolating from the PEMDAS ruleset). I don’t think the sides are as equal as people pose.\n
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