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Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.97
Profiled on
Token
b60581

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
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user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
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2 
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3 
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4 
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5 
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6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
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Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
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      [Tech Support](/c/techsupport@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [No Stupid Questions](/c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world)\n
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      [You Should Know](/c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world)\n
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      [Reddit](/c/reddit@lemmy.world)\n
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      [Jokes](/c/jokes@lemmy.world)\n
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      [Ask Ouija](/c/askouija@lemmy.world)\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN
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4 DENIED moderate 
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      Partnered Communities:\n
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      [Tech Support](/c/techsupport@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [No Stupid Questions](/c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [You Should Know](/c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world)\n
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      [Reddit](/c/reddit@lemmy.world)\n
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      [Jokes](/c/jokes@lemmy.world)\n
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    For anyone thinking about listening to this podcast, it still platforms a lot of her crazy ideas. [The following excerpt is from near the end of this article.](https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy)\n
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    For anyone thinking about listening to this podcast, it still platforms a lot of her crazy ideas. [The following excerpt is from near the end of this article.](https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy)\n
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    For anyone thinking about listening to this podcast, it still platforms a lot of her crazy ideas. [The following excerpt is from near the end of this article.](https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy)\n
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        About this topic there is a good podcast to listen to ! It’s more about understanding the whole affair and not howling with the wolves !\n
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        The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling [www.thefp.com/witchtrials](https://www.thefp.com/witchtrials)\n
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      For anyone thinking about listening to this podcast, it still platforms a lot of her crazy ideas. [The following excerpt is from near the end of this article.](https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy)\n
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    I listened to the podcast. The interviewer doesn’t challenge Rowling at all and simply lets her speak/answer with her incorrect assumptions. However it also shined a light on how badly thought out her ideas are and how informed she is, not by empathy, but by her own prejudice. After listening, I became even more confident in my opinion of Rowling.\n
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      To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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      It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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        Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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      To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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    > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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      To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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          Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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        To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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      > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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    No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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          Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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        To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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      > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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    No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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          Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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        To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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        I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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        It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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      > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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      And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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      Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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      > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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      I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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    No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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            Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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          It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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        Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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        > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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        I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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      No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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    > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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    I never said or implied that.\n
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    I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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            Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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          I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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        > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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        And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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        Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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        I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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      No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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    > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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            Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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        > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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        And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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        Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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        I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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      No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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              Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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              I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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        You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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      I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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              Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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              I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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            It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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        You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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      I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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    Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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        You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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      I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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    Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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              Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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        You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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      I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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    Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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              To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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            And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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            Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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          No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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          You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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        > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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        I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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        Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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      Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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    > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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    See that?\n
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    where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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    > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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    My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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              To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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            > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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            And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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            Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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            > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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            I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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          No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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          You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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        > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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        I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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        Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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      Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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    > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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    See that?\n
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    where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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    > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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    My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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              To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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              I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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            > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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            And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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            Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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            > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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            I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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          No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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          You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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        > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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        I never said or implied that.\n
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        I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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        Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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      Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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    > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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    See that?\n
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    where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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              > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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              And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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              Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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              > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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              I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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            No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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            You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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          > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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          I never said or implied that.\n
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          I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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          Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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        Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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      > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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      See that?\n
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      where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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      > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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      My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                  Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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              > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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              And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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              Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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              > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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              I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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            No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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            You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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          > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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          I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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          Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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        Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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      > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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      See that?\n
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      where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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      > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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      My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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  +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                  Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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              > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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              And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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              Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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              > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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              I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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            No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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            You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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          > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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          I never said or implied that.\n
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          I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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          Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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        Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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      > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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      See that?\n
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      where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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      My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                    Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                  To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                  I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                  It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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              No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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              You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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            > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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            I never said or implied that.\n
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            I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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            Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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          Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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          And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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        > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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        See that?\n
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        where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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        > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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        My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                    Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                  To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                  I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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              No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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            > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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            I never said or implied that.\n
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            I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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          Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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        > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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        See that?\n
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        where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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        > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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        My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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    Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                  To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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              No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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              You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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            > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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            I never said or implied that.\n
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            I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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            Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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          Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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        > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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        See that?\n
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        where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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        > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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        My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                      Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                      I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                    It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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              I never said or implied that.\n
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              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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            And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          See that?\n
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          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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      +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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      Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                      Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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              I never said or implied that.\n
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              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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            And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          See that?\n
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          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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              I never said or implied that.\n
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              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          See that?\n
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          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                    It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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              I never said or implied that.\n
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              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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            And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          See that?\n
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          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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      +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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      Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                      Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                      I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                    It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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              I never said or implied that.\n
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              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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            And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          See that?\n
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          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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      +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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      Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                      Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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              I never said or implied that.\n
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              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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          See that?\n
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          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                        Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                      To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                    > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                    And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                    Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                    > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                    I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                  No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                  You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                I never said or implied that.\n
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                I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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              Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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              And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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            > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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            See that?\n
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            where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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            > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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            My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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        Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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        Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                        Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                        I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                      To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                      I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                      It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                    > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                    And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                    Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                    > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                    I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                  No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                  You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                I never said or implied that.\n
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                I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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              Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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              And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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            > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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            See that?\n
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            where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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            > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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            My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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        +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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        Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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        Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                        Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                      To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                    > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                    And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                    Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                    > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                    I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                  No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                I never said or implied that.\n
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                I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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              Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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            > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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            See that?\n
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            where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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            > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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            My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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        Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                        To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                        I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                        It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                      > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                      And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                      Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                      > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                      I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                    No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                    You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                  > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                  I never said or implied that.\n
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                  I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                  Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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              > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
              \n
              See that?\n
              \n
              where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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              > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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              My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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          Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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          Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                          Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                          I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                        To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                        I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                        It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                      > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                      And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                      Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                      > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                      I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                    No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                    You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                  > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                  I never said or implied that.\n
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                  I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                  Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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              > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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              See that?\n
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              where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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              > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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              My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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          Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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          Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                        To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                      > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                      And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                      Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                      > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                      I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                    No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                    You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                  > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                  I never said or implied that.\n
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                  I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                  Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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              > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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              See that?\n
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              where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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              > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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              My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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          Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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          Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                            Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                            I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                          To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                          I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                          It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                        > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                        And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                        Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                        > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                        I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                      No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                      You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                    > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                    I never said or implied that.\n
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                    I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                    Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                  Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                  And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                See that?\n
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                where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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            +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                            Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                          To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                          I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                          It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                        > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                        And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                        Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                        > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                        I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                      No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                      You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                    > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                    I never said or implied that.\n
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                    I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                    Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                  Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                  And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                See that?\n
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                where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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            +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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            Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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            Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                            Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                            I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                          To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                          I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                          It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                        > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                        And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                        Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                        > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                        I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                      No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                      You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                    > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                    I never said or implied that.\n
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                    I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                    Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                  Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                  And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                See that?\n
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                where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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            +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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            Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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            Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                              Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                              I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                            It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                        You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                      I never said or implied that.\n
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                      I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                      Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                    Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                    And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                  > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                  See that?\n
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                  where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                  > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                  My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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              Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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              Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                              Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                              I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                            It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                        You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                      I never said or implied that.\n
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                      I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                      Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                    Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                    And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                  > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                  See that?\n
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                  where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                  > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                  My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                            To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
                            \n
                            I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
                            \n
                            It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                          > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
                          \n
                          And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                          Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                          > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                          I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                        No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
                        \n
                        You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                      > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                      I never said or implied that.\n
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                      I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                      Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                    Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                    And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                  > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
                  \n
                  See that?\n
                  \n
                  where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
                  \n
                  > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                  My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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              +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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              Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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              Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                              To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                              I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                              It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                            > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                            And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                            Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                            > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                            I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                          No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                          You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                        > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                        I never said or implied that.\n
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                        I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                        Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                      Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                    > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                    See that?\n
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                    where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                    > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                    My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                                Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                              To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                              I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                              It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                            > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                            And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                            Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                            > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                            I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                          No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                          You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                        > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                        I never said or implied that.\n
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                        I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                        Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                      Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                      And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                    > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                    See that?\n
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                    where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                    > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                    My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                              To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                            > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
                            \n
                            And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                            Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                            > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                            I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                          No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
                          \n
                          You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                        > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                        I never said or implied that.\n
                        \n
                        I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                        Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                      Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                      And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                    > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
                    \n
                    See that?\n
                    \n
                    where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                    > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                    My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                  Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                  I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                                To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                                I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                              > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                              And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                              Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                              > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                              I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                            No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                            You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                          > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                          I never said or implied that.\n
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                          I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                          Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                        Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                        And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                      > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                      See that?\n
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                      where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                      > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                      My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                                  Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                  I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                                To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                                I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                              > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                              And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                              Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                              > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                              I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                            No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                            You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                          > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                          I never said or implied that.\n
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                          I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                          Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                        Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                        And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                      > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                      See that?\n
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                      where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                      > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                      My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                  +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                                To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
                                \n
                                I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                              > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
                              \n
                              And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                              Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                              > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
                              \n
                              I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                            No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
                            \n
                            You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                          > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                          I never said or implied that.\n
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                          I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                          Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                        Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
                        \n
                        And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                      > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
                      \n
                      See that?\n
                      \n
                      where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
                      \n
                      > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
                      \n
                      My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                  +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                  Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                  Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                    Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                    I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                                  To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                                  I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                  It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                                > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                                And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                                Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                                > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                              No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
                              \n
                              You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                            > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
                            \n
                            I never said or implied that.\n
                            \n
                            I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                            Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                          Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
                          \n
                          And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                        > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
                        \n
                        See that?\n
                        \n
                        where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
                        \n
                        > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
                        \n
                        My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                    +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                    Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                    Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                    Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                    I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                                  To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                                  I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                  It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                                > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                                And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                                Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                                > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                                I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                              No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                              You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                            > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                            I never said or implied that.\n
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                            I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                            Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                          Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                          And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                        > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                        See that?\n
                        \n
                        where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                        > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                        My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                    Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                    Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                    Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                    I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                                  To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                                  I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                  It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                                > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                                And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                                Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                                > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                                I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                              No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                              You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                            > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                            I never said or implied that.\n
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                            I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                            Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                          Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                          And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                        > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                        See that?\n
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                        where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                        > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
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                        My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                    +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                                      Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                      I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                    It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                                You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                              I never said or implied that.\n
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                              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                            And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                          See that?\n
                          \n
                          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
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                          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
                          \n
                          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                      +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                      Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                      Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
                                    \n
                                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                    It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
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                                You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                              I never said or implied that.\n
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                              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
                            \n
                            And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
                          \n
                          See that?\n
                          \n
                          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
                          \n
                          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
                          \n
                          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                      +body: "Why does it always have to go to extremes immediately with you people? They are not “my favorite person”. None of them. You are not my friend. Not in the slightest. I’m not inventing a narrative. It is a *fact* that this was all done at Nate’s request and that the amount of time the support existed is dwarfed by the amount of time they’ve supported AIDS education after realizing it was a mistake. You’re the one basically saying it’s unforgivable, that people can’t change their minds, and are inventing a narrative. You’re just projecting. Stop. Just admit that you mischaracterized it and that what you said wasn’t accurate and be done with it."
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                      Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                      Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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                                      Foo Fighters used to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
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                                      I know David Grohl is an internet sweetheart, but every time I see anything Foo related, I just immediately wonder how many people died pointless and preventable deaths because they believed the denialism Foo Fighters pushed.
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                                    To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported. It was bassist Nate Mendel’s message that they were, admittedly, amplifying. Even the info on their website had a disclaimer that listed it as “being displayed at the request of Nate Mendel”.\n
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                                    I think they all regret being involved in amplifying that message too, including Nate. In the 20 years since they initially broke support with the people involved, they’ve played several shows in support of HIV/AIDS awareness groups, fundraised for Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, and every tour they do now has some kind of fundraising or auctions to support AIDS education or LGBTQIA+ rights.\n
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                                    It feels like they know now, in hindsight of course, that it was harmful and have at least tried to do more good to make up for it. Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.
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                                  > To be fair, it wasn’t Dave’s idea or something he supported.\n
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                                  And yet he kept mendel in the band, and had the message plastered on their website.\n
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                                  Thats not something you get to handwave away with even the grossest incompetence claim.\n
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                                  > Mendel was even quoted saying that the only reason he did it was because he thought he was helping people, not hurting them.\n
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                                  I mean, yeah. he likes his career, of course he says that.
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                                No one is hand waving anything away. Nate is a member of the band. The message on the website was clear that it was his message.\n
                                \n
                                You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information. It’s not like they could go back in time and not do those things after the fact. They’ve done far more in support of AIDS education. It’s not fair to vilify them for something they did for a few years while ignoring everything they’ve done since for more than 20 years.
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                              > You make it seem like people can’t change their views based on new information.\n
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                              I never said or implied that.\n
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                              I said you cant handwave away or excuse Grohls involvement, and that a person who values their career has an incentive to say a certain thing after being called out for being a piece of shit.\n
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                              Anything beyond that is just your fiction.
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                            Except you did. You’re literally on a discussion where *you* posted Dave Grohl because of something he was a part of for *maybe* 2 or 3 years that wasn’t even his idea to begin with while ignoring everything he’s done for 20+ years since.\n
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                            And now you’re being dishonest about it.
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                          > Foo Fighters ***used*** to be real down with the whole AIDS denialism, even financially supporting it.\n
                          \n
                          See that?\n
                          \n
                          where I said used to? in past tense? as in not current?\n
                          \n
                          > And now you’re being dishonest about it.\n
                          \n
                          My friend. I really wish you would step away from the computer and take a slow, deep breath. I’m sorry you cant handle your favorite person doing something bad, but its no reason for you to be this upset and go around inventing whole narratives as justification to project your anger at me.
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                      Sure buddy. Whatever you need to believe to sleep at night. If I need to be the big bad evil man for that, then you make me whatever you need me to be.\n
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                      Just calm down so you don’t put yourself in the ER for christmas.
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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