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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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    I know that a lot of what Nix does is working around its break from FHS, but I can imagine there are still things that seep through. Are there any unsolvable problems due to this?\n
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    I saw [on this post](https://jorel.dev/NixOS4Noobs/fhs.html) that it is possible to use FHS on Nix. Does this solve all potential issues then?
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        You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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      So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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    I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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          You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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        So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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      I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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          You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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        So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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      I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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        So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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      I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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      I saw [on this post](https://jorel.dev/NixOS4Noobs/fhs.html) that it is possible to use FHS on Nix. Does this solve all potential issues then?
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            You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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            **tl;dr**: It’s mostly an annoyance reserved for packagers to deal with. Dynamically linked executables can be patched in a fairly universal fashion to work without FHS, so that’s the go-to approach. If the executable is statically linked, the package may have to ship a source patch instead. If the executable is statically linked & close-source, the packagers are forced to resort to simulating an FHS environment via chroot.
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          So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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          I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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        I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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        The issue comes when trying to build from source. In most other distros, ou just follow the readme. In nix, you have to package it.
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    It’s just that most (if not all) build system in the source code package would assume some level of FHS compliance.\n
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    In the FHS compliant distros, the maintainers wouldn’t need to change anything since these values are already set to the values they want (there are actually minor details they’d change, but that’s another topic).
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            You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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          So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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          I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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        I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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    It’s just that most (if not all) build system in the source code package would assume some level of FHS compliance.\n
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    These build systems would include options to change these, but you’d then have to change all these values to adapt to nix structure. While it’s all been done by the nix package maintainers, you’d have to do all that if you’re to come up with a new package.\n
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    In the FHS compliant distros, the maintainers wouldn’t need to change anything since these values are already set to the values they want (there are actually minor details they’d change, but that’s another topic).
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            You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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          So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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          I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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        I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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        The issue comes when trying to build from source. In most other distros, ou just follow the readme. In nix, you have to package it.
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    It’s just that most (if not all) build system in the source code package would assume some level of FHS compliance.\n
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    These build systems would include options to change these, but you’d then have to change all these values to adapt to nix structure. While it’s all been done by the nix package maintainers, you’d have to do all that if you’re to come up with a new package.\n
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    In the FHS compliant distros, the maintainers wouldn’t need to change anything since these values are already set to the values they want (there are actually minor details they’d change, but that’s another topic).
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            You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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            **tl;dr**: It’s mostly an annoyance reserved for packagers to deal with. Dynamically linked executables can be patched in a fairly universal fashion to work without FHS, so that’s the go-to approach. If the executable is statically linked, the package may have to ship a source patch instead. If the executable is statically linked & close-source, the packagers are forced to resort to simulating an FHS environment via chroot.
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          So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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          I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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        I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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        The issue comes when trying to build from source. In most other distros, ou just follow the readme. In nix, you have to package it.
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    > If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe.\n
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    It’s the same for Nixpkgs.\n
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    > In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?\n
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    In well behaved build systems, it’s likely easier to package than most other distros. If it’s not as well behaved you will have to do some “exploration” and the complexity can get quite out of control if the build system is exceptionally terrible.\n
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    Here is the package for the GNU `hello` program which uses a well-behaved build system:\n
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    [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/package.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/by-name/he/hello/package.nix)\n
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    If you ignore the optional `passthru.tests`, this is very simple. You provide metadata, sources etc. to the generic `mkDerivation` function and that’s it. The most complex non-standard thing this derivation does is enable the build system’s tests.\n
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    You don’t even need to run the provided build instructions because Nixpkgs’ stdenv abstracts those away. If it finds a makefile, it’ll automatically run `make` and `make install` with the correct flags for instance. Same for other standard build systems; if you pass `cmake` into `nativeBuildInputs`, it’ll attempt to build, install, check etc. using `cmake`’s standardised interfaces.\n
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    If the build system is poorly behaved however (like for instance Anki’s), you will have to get into the weeds and do some rather advanced things:\n
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    [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/default.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/games/anki/default.nix)\n
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    Luckily though, most packages aren’t like this.
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            You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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            **tl;dr**: It’s mostly an annoyance reserved for packagers to deal with. Dynamically linked executables can be patched in a fairly universal fashion to work without FHS, so that’s the go-to approach. If the executable is statically linked, the package may have to ship a source patch instead. If the executable is statically linked & close-source, the packagers are forced to resort to simulating an FHS environment via chroot.
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          So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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          I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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        I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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        The issue comes when trying to build from source. In most other distros, ou just follow the readme. In nix, you have to package it.
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    > If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe.\n
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    It’s the same for Nixpkgs.\n
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    > In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?\n
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    In well behaved build systems, it’s likely easier to package than most other distros. If it’s not as well behaved you will have to do some “exploration” and the complexity can get quite out of control if the build system is exceptionally terrible.\n
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    Here is the package for the GNU `hello` program which uses a well-behaved build system:\n
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    [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/package.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/by-name/he/hello/package.nix)\n
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            You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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            **tl;dr**: It’s mostly an annoyance reserved for packagers to deal with. Dynamically linked executables can be patched in a fairly universal fashion to work without FHS, so that’s the go-to approach. If the executable is statically linked, the package may have to ship a source patch instead. If the executable is statically linked & close-source, the packagers are forced to resort to simulating an FHS environment via chroot.
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          So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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          I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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        I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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    +body: "If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe. In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?"
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    > If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe.\n
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    It’s the same for Nixpkgs.\n
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    > In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?\n
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    In well behaved build systems, it’s likely easier to package than most other distros. If it’s not as well behaved you will have to do some “exploration” and the complexity can get quite out of control if the build system is exceptionally terrible.\n
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    Here is the package for the GNU `hello` program which uses a well-behaved build system:\n
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    [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/package.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/by-name/he/hello/package.nix)\n
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    If you ignore the optional `passthru.tests`, this is very simple. You provide metadata, sources etc. to the generic `mkDerivation` function and that’s it. The most complex non-standard thing this derivation does is enable the build system’s tests.\n
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    You don’t even need to run the provided build instructions because Nixpkgs’ stdenv abstracts those away. If it finds a makefile, it’ll automatically run `make` and `make install` with the correct flags for instance. Same for other standard build systems; if you pass `cmake` into `nativeBuildInputs`, it’ll attempt to build, install, check etc. using `cmake`’s standardised interfaces.\n
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    If the build system is poorly behaved however (like for instance Anki’s), you will have to get into the weeds and do some rather advanced things:\n
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    [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/default.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/games/anki/default.nix)\n
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    Luckily though, most packages aren’t like this.
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              You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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              **tl;dr**: It’s mostly an annoyance reserved for packagers to deal with. Dynamically linked executables can be patched in a fairly universal fashion to work without FHS, so that’s the go-to approach. If the executable is statically linked, the package may have to ship a source patch instead. If the executable is statically linked & close-source, the packagers are forced to resort to simulating an FHS environment via chroot.
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            So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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            I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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          I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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          The issue comes when trying to build from source. In most other distros, ou just follow the readme. In nix, you have to package it.
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      +body: "If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe. In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?"
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      > If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe.\n
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      It’s the same for Nixpkgs.\n
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      > In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?\n
      \n
      In well behaved build systems, it’s likely easier to package than most other distros. If it’s not as well behaved you will have to do some “exploration” and the complexity can get quite out of control if the build system is exceptionally terrible.\n
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      Here is the package for the GNU `hello` program which uses a well-behaved build system:\n
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      [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/package.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/by-name/he/hello/package.nix)\n
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      If you ignore the optional `passthru.tests`, this is very simple. You provide metadata, sources etc. to the generic `mkDerivation` function and that’s it. The most complex non-standard thing this derivation does is enable the build system’s tests.\n
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      You don’t even need to run the provided build instructions because Nixpkgs’ stdenv abstracts those away. If it finds a makefile, it’ll automatically run `make` and `make install` with the correct flags for instance. Same for other standard build systems; if you pass `cmake` into `nativeBuildInputs`, it’ll attempt to build, install, check etc. using `cmake`’s standardised interfaces.\n
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      If the build system is poorly behaved however (like for instance Anki’s), you will have to get into the weeds and do some rather advanced things:\n
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      [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/default.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/games/anki/default.nix)\n
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      Luckily though, most packages aren’t like this.
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              You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
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            So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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            I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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          I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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      > If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe.\n
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      > In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?\n
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      In well behaved build systems, it’s likely easier to package than most other distros. If it’s not as well behaved you will have to do some “exploration” and the complexity can get quite out of control if the build system is exceptionally terrible.\n
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      Here is the package for the GNU `hello` program which uses a well-behaved build system:\n
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      [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/package.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/by-name/he/hello/package.nix)\n
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      If you ignore the optional `passthru.tests`, this is very simple. You provide metadata, sources etc. to the generic `mkDerivation` function and that’s it. The most complex non-standard thing this derivation does is enable the build system’s tests.\n
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      I know that a lot of what Nix does is working around its break from FHS, but I can imagine there are still things that seep through. Are there any unsolvable problems due to this?\n
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      I saw [on this post](https://jorel.dev/NixOS4Noobs/fhs.html) that it is possible to use FHS on Nix. Does this solve all potential issues then?
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              You may be interested in reading [this post](http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2013/09/composing-fhs-compatible-chroot.html) about the process of packaging Steam.\n
              \n
              **tl;dr**: It’s mostly an annoyance reserved for packagers to deal with. Dynamically linked executables can be patched in a fairly universal fashion to work without FHS, so that’s the go-to approach. If the executable is statically linked, the package may have to ship a source patch instead. If the executable is statically linked & close-source, the packagers are forced to resort to simulating an FHS environment via chroot.
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            So that means packaging software for nix is a pain, compared to, say, gentoo or arch’s AUR, but only for a small subset of packages.\n
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            I’ll keep this in mind as I’m exploring if I should switch from Gentoo.
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          I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).\n
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          The issue comes when trying to build from source. In most other distros, ou just follow the readme. In nix, you have to package it.
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      +body: "If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe. In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?"
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      > If I am packaging software for gentoo, all I have to do is translate the build instructions from the project’s documentation to gentoo’s package recipe.\n
      \n
      It’s the same for Nixpkgs.\n
      \n
      > In nix, it seems that it is not that simple and you’ll have to do some exploration. Am I wrong?\n
      \n
      In well behaved build systems, it’s likely easier to package than most other distros. If it’s not as well behaved you will have to do some “exploration” and the complexity can get quite out of control if the build system is exceptionally terrible.\n
      \n
      Here is the package for the GNU `hello` program which uses a well-behaved build system:\n
      \n
      [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/package.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/by-name/he/hello/package.nix)\n
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      If you ignore the optional `passthru.tests`, this is very simple. You provide metadata, sources etc. to the generic `mkDerivation` function and that’s it. The most complex non-standard thing this derivation does is enable the build system’s tests.\n
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      You don’t even need to run the provided build instructions because Nixpkgs’ stdenv abstracts those away. If it finds a makefile, it’ll automatically run `make` and `make install` with the correct flags for instance. Same for other standard build systems; if you pass `cmake` into `nativeBuildInputs`, it’ll attempt to build, install, check etc. using `cmake`’s standardised interfaces.\n
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      If the build system is poorly behaved however (like for instance Anki’s), you will have to get into the weeds and do some rather advanced things:\n
      \n
      [github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/…/default.nix](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/94b11073db6a7ca5733bc2d45378d800d9542975/pkgs/games/anki/default.nix)\n
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      Luckily though, most packages aren’t like this.
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        \n
        Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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      Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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        Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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        Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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        Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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        For example two instances of the same package with a different version are two different derivations and thus nix can have both package versions installed without them interfering with each other. But this goes beyond just a package version. It is e.g. possible to have the same package with the same version but different patches applied, or relying on different versions of dependencies. Since their build instructions differ both can be installed simultaneously.\n
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      > Either you create an fhs environment by listing the set of derivations to be symlinked into a chroot environment which mimics an FHS.\n
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          Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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          Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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          Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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        Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      I know that a lot of what Nix does is working around its break from FHS, but I can imagine there are still things that seep through. Are there any unsolvable problems due to this?\n
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      I saw [on this post](https://jorel.dev/NixOS4Noobs/fhs.html) that it is possible to use FHS on Nix. Does this solve all potential issues then?
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            Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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            This approach grants a variety of advantages. For example upgrading your NixOS system just installs new derivations of packages and configuration files that have changed, while keeping previous derivations until they’re garbage collected at a later time. This allows you to switch freely between both iterations of your system, for example if an update causes issues you can just revert back to before an update easily. Another advantage is that an unprivileged user can install packages they need without interfering with the rest of the system, for example an older python version or a newer one, or some software they want but the system does not provide.\n
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            The price of having this kind of isolation between packages is that nixos cannot install binaries and libraries into common locations. Effectively /usr/bin only contains the env binary. If you’re familiar with shell scripting you might have run into lines such as `#!/usr/bin/env bash`. This env util will essentially search bash in your PATH variable and start it. Lines like `#!/bin/bash` however will not work, because there’s no bash installed in that location.\n
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            Another case where a missing fhs is a problem is when using pre-compiled binaries. In contrast to binaries built through nix, which have their required libraries hardcoded as absolute paths, pre-compiled binaries you download usually only contain the name of the library they need, which works in a conventional fhs environment, because these libraries tend to be found in `/lib`or `/usr/lib`. On NixOS neither of those are present. There two solutions to this. Either you create an fhs environment by listing the set of derivations to be symlinked into a chroot environment which mimics an FHS. Or you can install [github.com/Mic92/nix-ld](https://github.com/Mic92/nix-ld) which automatically finds the required libraries the nix way if you start such a binary. There’s also steam-run which installs an fhs with most of the dependencies necessary to start Linux games from Steam.
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          > Either you create an fhs environment by listing the set of derivations to be symlinked into a chroot environment which mimics an FHS.\n
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          Why isn’t this done on the actual system and by default? That would make it fhs compliant, no?
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    +body: "The most recent one by default unless another is manually chosen. The nix packages can keep using their specific versions directly"
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    Now you’ll have a zillion users trying to install software in ways that violate all the assumptions that NixOS operates on, but which are still tightly coupled to your NixOS config. Now updates to your system, or even seemingly unrelated config changes (through some transitive dependency chain) can easily break that software.\n
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    So now we’ve basically removed half the advantages that motivate Nix/OS in the first place, and when stuff breaks it will look like it’s Nix’s fault, even if it isn’t.\n
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    On the other hand, nixpkgs is already the most comprehensive repository of system software out there, and for 99% of packages Nixifying it is pretty trivial. Hell, my NixOS config does that for 3 different GitHub repos right inline in my config.nix
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            Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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          > Either you create an fhs environment by listing the set of derivations to be symlinked into a chroot environment which mimics an FHS.\n
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    Now you’ll have a zillion users trying to install software in ways that violate all the assumptions that NixOS operates on, but which are still tightly coupled to your NixOS config. Now updates to your system, or even seemingly unrelated config changes (through some transitive dependency chain) can easily break that software.\n
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            Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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          > Either you create an fhs environment by listing the set of derivations to be symlinked into a chroot environment which mimics an FHS.\n
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    Now you’ll have a zillion users trying to install software in ways that violate all the assumptions that NixOS operates on, but which are still tightly coupled to your NixOS config. Now updates to your system, or even seemingly unrelated config changes (through some transitive dependency chain) can easily break that software.\n
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        Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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        Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.\n
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