GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@LillyPip@lemmy.ca/commented

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.122
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Security

Token

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Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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2 DENIED moderate 
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  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 360
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  +lastActive: DateTime @1729329026 {#1985
    date: 2024-10-19 11:10:26.0 +02:00
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      +body: "Without anaesthesia, too."
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      +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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      +body: """
        He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
        \n
        Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
        \n
        This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
        \n
        > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
        \n
        So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
        \n
        We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
        \n
        e: clarity
        """
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        > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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        Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
        \n
        > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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        No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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        It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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        e: missed a word
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        I can actually speak to this.\n
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        I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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        I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
        \n
        That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.
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        Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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        I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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        Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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        The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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        e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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        > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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        > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
        \n
        > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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        Again, cite sources?\n
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        Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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        You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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        Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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        Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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        Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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        eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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      +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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        My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
        \n
        I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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        > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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        ITT…
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        It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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        Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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        It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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        It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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        Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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      +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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        He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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        Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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        > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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        > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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        Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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        > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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        No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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        It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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        e: missed a word
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        I can actually speak to this.\n
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        I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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        Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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        I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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        Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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        > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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        > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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        > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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        Again, cite sources?\n
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        Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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        You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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        Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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        Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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        Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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        eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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      +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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        My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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        I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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        > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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        ITT…
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        It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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        Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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      +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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        Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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        It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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        eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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        It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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        Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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        Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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        A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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      +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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        He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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        Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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        This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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        > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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        So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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        We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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        > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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        Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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        No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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        It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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        I can actually speak to this.\n
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        I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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        I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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        Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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        > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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        Again, cite sources?\n
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        Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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        You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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        Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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        Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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        Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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        eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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      +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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        My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
        \n
        I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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        > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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        ITT…
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        It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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        Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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        > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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        > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        So yeah, no regrets.
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      +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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        Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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        It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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        eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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        It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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        Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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        Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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        A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
          \n
          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
          \n
          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
          \n
          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
          \n
          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
          \n
          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
          \n
          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
          \n
          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, no regrets.
          """
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
          """
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
          \n
          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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  +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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  +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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    Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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    This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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    > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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    So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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    We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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    He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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    Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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    This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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    > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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    So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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    We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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    e: clarity
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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    Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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    This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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    > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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    So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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    We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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    e: clarity
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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        +body: """
          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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      3 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2264
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
          \n
          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
          """
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
          \n
          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
          \n
          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
          """
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    > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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    Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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    > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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    No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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    It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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    Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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    > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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    No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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    It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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    e: missed a word
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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          That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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    Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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    > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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    No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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    It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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    e: missed a word
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    I can actually speak to this.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    I can actually speak to this.\n
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    I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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    I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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        +body: "Without anaesthesia, too."
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    I can actually speak to this.\n
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    I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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  +body: """
    Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
    \n
    I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
    \n
    Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
    \n
    The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
    \n
    e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
    \n
    > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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    > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
    \n
    > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
    \n
    So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
    """
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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    Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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    I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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    Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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    e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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    > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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    > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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    > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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    So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
          \n
          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
          \n
          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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    I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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    Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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    The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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    > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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    > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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    So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
          \n
          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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          That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    Again, cite sources?\n
    \n
    Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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    You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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    Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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    Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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    Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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    eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
          \n
          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    Again, cite sources?\n
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    Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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    You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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    Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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    Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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    Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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    eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
          \n
          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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          That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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    Again, cite sources?\n
    \n
    Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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    You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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    Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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    Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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    Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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    eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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    He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
          \n
          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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    Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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    He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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          That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
          \n
          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
          \n
          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
          \n
          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
          \n
          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
          \n
          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
          \n
          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
          \n
          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
          \n
          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
          \n
          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
          \n
          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
          \n
          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
          \n
          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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    I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          I don’t remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadn’t said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldn’t either. I’d been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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    I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
          \n
          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
          \n
          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
          \n
          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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        +body: """
          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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    My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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    I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
          \n
          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
    \n
    ITT…
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          \n
          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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    > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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    ITT…
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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    It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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    Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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    > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
    \n
    Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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    > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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    > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
    \n
    > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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    So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
          \n
          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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      3 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2264}
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
          \n
          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
          \n
          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
          \n
          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
          \n
          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
          \n
          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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    It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
    \n
    It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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    eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
          \n
          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
          \n
          Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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          Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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          A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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    Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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    It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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    eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. That’s not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
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          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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    It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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    Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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    Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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    A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          No it wasn’t. It originated thousands of years ago as a Jewish religious ritual, that had no biological or scientific basis. It was popularised in the US about 100 years ago as a way to reduce sensation in the penis in order to stop teenage boys from masturbating – by [Dr Kellogg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.), for the same reason he invented cornflakes. He was hyper-religious and fixated on stopping boys corrupting themselves by masturbating. The hygiene myths came later and have been debunked.\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          e: missed a word
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.\n
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          The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.\n
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          e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
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          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
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          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
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          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
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          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
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          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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    It’s a totally valid comparison.\n
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    Removing the foreskin has real ramifications for not only looks but sexual pleasure (which, by the way, was why it was popularised by puritan Christians in the US – the original point was to stop teenage boys from masturbating by making it less pleasurable).\n
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    Cutting off the foreskin at birth takes something from a man that he can’t really restore later, whereas doing nothing gives him the bodily autonomy to make that decision later. You can always remove it if you want, but once it’s gone, you can’t just grow it back.\n
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    A baby is at your mercy and has no choice in the matter.
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        +body: "[Blame this guy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#:~:text=Although%20generally%20against%20unnecessary%20surgery,in%20small%20boys%22%2C%20masturbation.)"
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          He did, though. I currently live less than an hour from his museum in Battle Creek, Michigan, and there are lots of things about him that aren’t widely shared on the internet.\n
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          Did you know that one of his biggest accomplishments was a [foster home for orphans that was destroyed by fire?](https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/2020/02/13/haskell-home-orphanage-fire-battle-creeks-great-mystery/4654238002/) Running that foster home was what inspired his obsession with a bland diet and with circumcision. He was very strict with their diet, believing certain grains would purify the soul (first oatmeal) – the original, unadulterated grains that were mentioned in the bible. The boys in his home weren’t accepting of his extreme version of Christianity, and he thought that was mostly because they were corrupting themselves bodily. He thought all boys weren’t receptive to Christianity because they were too into their own desires, and he could fix that. First by diet, and when that didn’t work, by cutting off the part of their penis that distracted them by making them feel good, thus tempting them from god’s word. He was a doctor, so people listened.\n
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          This is all Wikipedia dedicates to that part of the story:\n
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          > Kellogg was outspoken about his views on race and his belief in racial segregation, regardless of the fact that he himself raised several black foster children.\n
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          So it’s understandable people are downplaying that part of his life. If you live near here, you know the details the internet has mostly forgotten.\n
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          We really need to stop chopping up infant boys based on the ideas of a bigoted religious fundamentalist.\n
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          > circumcision dramatically reduces the rate of spread of STDs\n
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          Source? Most of the world doesn’t circumcise, and they don’t have a higher prevalence of STDs than places that do. As long as you practice good hygiene, there should be no issues.\n
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          > That is, at least from my perspective, the primary (and original) incentive to circumcise\n
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          It’s an outdated practice based on bad science and beliefs that should stop. That’s not to say anyone should feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better, but there’s no reason to continue doing it now.\n
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          I can actually speak to this.\n
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          Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.\n
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          I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
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          Again, cite sources?\n
          \n
          Yes, I’m aware it’s a week of recovery time later. I made the decision not to circumcise my son after talking to my father who had the procedure in his teens after he developed a condition. He told me exactly what it was like. (My father is 88 and was born before circumcision was common.)\n
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          You can do almost anything to an infant and they won’t remember the trauma. Infants have been subjected to near-fatal child abuse, including having their femurs broken, and they don’t remember it. That doesn’t make it right.\n
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          Having your wisdom teeth removed takes at least a week of recovery and we do that in late teens or early twenties. There are lots of things that take a week to recover from, and having to have your foreskin removed because it’s causing issues is far, *far* more rare. That’s not a reason to take that choice away.\n
          \n
          Like I said, they can always have that procedure later if they want to, but once it’s done, that choice is basically gone.\n
          \n
          Also like I said, I’m not trying to make people feel bad for having done it when we didn’t really know better. I’m not shaming anyone. It’s just what we did until recently. Going forward, though, it’s not justified and we shouldn’t be advocating for it now that we know better.\n
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          eta: and Kellogg isn’t irrelevant. That’s exactly why the practice has been embedded in American culture, so when we’re talking about why we do it, he’s extremely relevant.
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          Oh, I’ve seen that. It’s fascinating. There’s a ball with outer clamps and varying degrees of weights you can add on a dangly bit. You attach the contraption for some number of increasing minutes per day, and it stretches the skin surrounding the glans until it’s long enough to encompass the glans. After a while, the little ball will be encompassed by the new foreskin.\n
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          He says it’s not painful and I believe him, but not being the owner of a penis, it looks at least uncomfortable to me. Then again, I’ve never used gauges, either, and as you said, it’s pretty similar to that.
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        +body: "Though rare, some people have had to have the procedure done as an adult, so they know the difference."
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          My father had to have his removed for the same reason (I know this because we had a conversation when I was pregnant with my son and said I wasn’t going to have him circumcised). That can happen, and I’m sorry it happened to you.\n
          \n
          I still didn’t have my son circumcised, and would make the same decision today because those issues are comparatively rare. It sucks a lot if you have to go through that, but preemptively removing the foreskin seems harsh considering how rare complications are.
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          > People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they’re used to it.\n
          \n
          ITT…
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          It is. You can always cut something off later, but you can’t just put it back once it’s gone.\n
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          Based on this conversation, I actually asked him:\n
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          > Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?\n
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          > Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!\n
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          So yeah, no regrets.
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        +body: "Not just in poor schools. My area is pretty affluent, but the school was built in the 1940s, and that’s just how it was back then. I went to that high school for a year (I’m 54) and never saw the boys’, but the girls’ was wide open. I assume the boys’ was too."
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          Same. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for not doing it. I don’t know how old your son is, but mine’s 25 and I’ve never heard any complaints. He never got an infection, and never got bullied over it.\n
          \n
          It’s a simple procedure they can get done as an adult if they’re unhappy with their penis, and at that point it’s their choice, which imo it should be.\n
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          eta for anyone on the fence: they can always remove the foreskin if they want, but growing it back is another matter.
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        Right, but if that current shuts down, that means the transfer of warm and cold currents that power weather patterns across the entire northern hemisphere will be disrupted.\n
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          Right, but if that current shuts down, that means the transfer of warm and cold currents that power weather patterns across the entire northern hemisphere will be disrupted.\n
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