GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee/active

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.163
Profiled on
Token
d0b700

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 22.45 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.06 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1740
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2047 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2212 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2208 …}
  +slug: "Alec-Baldwin-charged-for-shooting"
  +title: "Alec Baldwin charged for shooting;"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d1cee20b-fff2-44b4-8bf0-803cbc9b8bc8.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 77
  +favouriteCount: 901
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1729513353 {#2202
    date: 2024-10-21 14:22:33.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2267 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2271 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2272 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2253 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2262 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2264 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1741
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1740 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
      +body: "I mean, tbf, you do not **need** live ammo to make a film… The other examples do need -want for the private case- so I do not think is comparable."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 16
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1705805802 {#1717
        date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Godric@lemmy.world"
        "@yesman@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2464 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2448 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2447 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2462 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2461 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2460 …}
      -id: 327243
      -bodyTs: "'ammo':9 'case':23 'compar':30 'exampl':16 'film':13 'live':8 'make':11 'mean':2 'need':7,18 'privat':22 'tbf':3 'think':28 'want':19"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemm.ee/comment/8483087"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705805802 {#1739
        date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 327243
    }
  ]
  -id: 31938
  -titleTs: "'alec':1 'baldwin':2 'charg':3 'shoot':5"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1705846594
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10951222"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705760194 {#2160
    date: 2024-01-20 15:16:34.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1740
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2047 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2212 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2208 …}
  +slug: "Alec-Baldwin-charged-for-shooting"
  +title: "Alec Baldwin charged for shooting;"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d1cee20b-fff2-44b4-8bf0-803cbc9b8bc8.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 77
  +favouriteCount: 901
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1729513353 {#2202
    date: 2024-10-21 14:22:33.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2267 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2271 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2272 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2253 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2262 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2264 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1741
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1740 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
      +body: "I mean, tbf, you do not **need** live ammo to make a film… The other examples do need -want for the private case- so I do not think is comparable."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 16
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1705805802 {#1717
        date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Godric@lemmy.world"
        "@yesman@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2464 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2448 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2447 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2462 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2461 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2460 …}
      -id: 327243
      -bodyTs: "'ammo':9 'case':23 'compar':30 'exampl':16 'film':13 'live':8 'make':11 'mean':2 'need':7,18 'privat':22 'tbf':3 'think':28 'want':19"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemm.ee/comment/8483087"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705805802 {#1739
        date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 327243
    }
  ]
  -id: 31938
  -titleTs: "'alec':1 'baldwin':2 'charg':3 'shoot':5"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1705846594
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10951222"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705760194 {#2160
    date: 2024-01-20 15:16:34.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1740
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2047 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2212 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2208 …}
  +slug: "Alec-Baldwin-charged-for-shooting"
  +title: "Alec Baldwin charged for shooting;"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d1cee20b-fff2-44b4-8bf0-803cbc9b8bc8.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 77
  +favouriteCount: 901
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1729513353 {#2202
    date: 2024-10-21 14:22:33.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2267 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2271 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2272 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2253 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2262 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2264 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1741
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1740 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
      +body: "I mean, tbf, you do not **need** live ammo to make a film… The other examples do need -want for the private case- so I do not think is comparable."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 16
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1705805802 {#1717
        date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Godric@lemmy.world"
        "@yesman@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2464 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2448 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2447 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2462 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2461 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2460 …}
      -id: 327243
      -bodyTs: "'ammo':9 'case':23 'compar':30 'exampl':16 'film':13 'live':8 'make':11 'mean':2 'need':7,18 'privat':22 'tbf':3 'think':28 'want':19"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemm.ee/comment/8483087"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705805802 {#1739
        date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 327243
    }
  ]
  -id: 31938
  -titleTs: "'alec':1 'baldwin':2 'charg':3 'shoot':5"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1705846594
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10951222"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705760194 {#2160
    date: 2024-01-20 15:16:34.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\EntryComment {#1741
  +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1740
    +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2047 …}
    +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
    +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2212 …}
    +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2208 …}
    +slug: "Alec-Baldwin-charged-for-shooting"
    +title: "Alec Baldwin charged for shooting;"
    +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d1cee20b-fff2-44b4-8bf0-803cbc9b8bc8.jpeg"
    +body: null
    +type: "image"
    +lang: "en"
    +isOc: false
    +hasEmbed: true
    +commentCount: 77
    +favouriteCount: 901
    +score: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +sticky: false
    +lastActive: DateTime @1729513353 {#2202
      date: 2024-10-21 14:22:33.0 +02:00
    }
    +ip: null
    +adaAmount: 0
    +tags: null
    +mentions: null
    +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2267 …}
    +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2271 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2272 …}
    +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2253 …}
    +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2262 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2264 …}
    +children: [
      App\Entity\EntryComment {#1741}
    ]
    -id: 31938
    -titleTs: "'alec':1 'baldwin':2 'charg':3 'shoot':5"
    -bodyTs: null
    +cross: false
    +upVotes: 0
    +downVotes: 0
    +ranking: 1705846594
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10951222"
    +editedAt: null
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705760194 {#2160
      date: 2024-01-20 15:16:34.0 +01:00
    }
    +__isInitialized__: true
     …2
  }
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1707 …}
  +image: null
  +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
  +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2465 …}
  +body: "I mean, tbf, you do not **need** live ammo to make a film… The other examples do need -want for the private case- so I do not think is comparable."
  +lang: "en"
  +isAdult: false
  +favouriteCount: 16
  +score: 0
  +lastActive: DateTime @1705805802 {#1717
    date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +tags: null
  +mentions: [
    "@Godric@lemmy.world"
    "@yesman@lemmy.world"
  ]
  +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2464 …}
  +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2448 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2447 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2462 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2461 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2460 …}
  -id: 327243
  -bodyTs: "'ammo':9 'case':23 'compar':30 'exampl':16 'film':13 'live':8 'make':11 'mean':2 'need':7,18 'privat':22 'tbf':3 'think':28 'want':19"
  +ranking: 0
  +commentCount: 0
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemm.ee/comment/8483087"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705805802 {#1739
    date: 2024-01-21 03:56:42.0 +01:00
  }
  +"title": 327243
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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          Is running a docker container a lot of overhead?\n
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          Ernestly asking, since my opinion is skewed cause im use to running containers.
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          Yes, but doesn’t that also apply for a machine running bare git?\n
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    I dont know. 😆 im really just trying to get it in case -for example- of needing to advice someone in such a case :) my confusion probably comes from the fact that I have never host anything outside containers.\n
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    I still see it a bit diferent. A well structured container structure with configs as files instead of bare commands, back up volumes would be the same effort… But who knows. Regarding the rest like proxies, well you do not really **need** one.\n
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    Thanks taking the time to explain you point tho!
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    I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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    If I end up excluding this table, I’m not sure where to turn at that point. Shilling is extremely pervasive in the VPN market, so it’s tough to trust any one person or any one thread. It’s also well established that a few of the large VPNs actually own a number of review blogs, so I can’t really trust blogs either.\n
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        I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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        In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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      +body: "You are missing the point, in this case the vector would not be someone requesting data but someone surveiling the VPS or VPN server’s traffic and drawing conclutions out of it"
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        It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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        Ws1------|----+++++++±–| Ws2------| | ----Client 1 Ws3------|. VPN |----Client 2 Ws4------| |----Client 3 … | | … Wsn------| |----Client m\n
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        Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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        Now your case:\n
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        Ws1------|----+++++++±–| Ws2------| | ----Client 1 Ws3------|. VPS. | Ws4------| | … | | Wsn------| |\n
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        You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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        From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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        If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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        To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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        Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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        Or could you explain how would you be able to tell which connection goes to which client?
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    I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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        I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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        In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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        It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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        Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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        I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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        In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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        Even with a vps with a shared ip the number of clients mantaning open connections is probably way lower on average.
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      +body: "You are missing the point, in this case the vector would not be someone requesting data but someone surveiling the VPS or VPN server’s traffic and drawing conclutions out of it"
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        It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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        Ws1------|----+++++++±–| Ws2------| | ----Client 1 Ws3------|. VPN |----Client 2 Ws4------| |----Client 3 … | | … Wsn------| |----Client m\n
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        Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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        You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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        From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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        If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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        To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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        Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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        Or could you explain how would you be able to tell which connection goes to which client?
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          Now your case:\n
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          You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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          Or could you explain how would you be able to tell which connection goes to which client?
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    I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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    In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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    Even with a vps with a shared ip the number of clients mantaning open connections is probably way lower on average.
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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      [docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ijfqfLrJWLUVBfJZ_YalVpstWsjw-JGzkvMd6u2jqEk/edit?usp=sharing)\n
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      If I end up excluding this table, I’m not sure where to turn at that point. Shilling is extremely pervasive in the VPN market, so it’s tough to trust any one person or any one thread. It’s also well established that a few of the large VPNs actually own a number of review blogs, so I can’t really trust blogs either.\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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          You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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          If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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          To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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    I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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    I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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    In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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      In the thread posted by the owner of this sheet, a few commenters pointed out that the highest rated VPN providers in this table just happen to be the ones that advertise most aggressively and are well-known for buying positive reviews from tech blogs, which are pretty clearly designed to be misleading. I too am suspicious that this table can’t be trusted, however I really am not knowledgeable about VPNs, so before passing judgement, I figured I should consult those who know more about it. I also recognize that a strong marketing team and an excellent product aren’t mutually exclusive, however I think that generally applies more in markets where economies of scale play a significant role, as does mass-adoption, which fuels loads of well-informed, independent research (ex: the car market and phone market.) That obviously isn’t the case with the VPN markets… but I’m still sorta holding out hope.\n
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      If I end up excluding this table, I’m not sure where to turn at that point. Shilling is extremely pervasive in the VPN market, so it’s tough to trust any one person or any one thread. It’s also well established that a few of the large VPNs actually own a number of review blogs, so I can’t really trust blogs either.\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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          Even with a vps with a shared ip the number of clients mantaning open connections is probably way lower on average.
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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          You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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          From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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          If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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          To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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          To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          In a VPN you have hundreds of clients and also hundreds of outbound connections, tho not impossible is way harder to find out which connection is being piped to which client. On you own hosted VPS, if you have a dedicated ip is easier, all the traffic will be redirected to only one address, then one of your client.\n
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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    It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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    Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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    You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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    From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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    If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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    To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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          Or could you explain how would you be able to tell which connection goes to which client?
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    It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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    Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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    Now your case:\n
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    You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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    From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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    If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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    To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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    It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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    Ws1------|----+++++++±–| Ws2------| | ----Client 1 Ws3------|. VPN |----Client 2 Ws4------| |----Client 3 … | | … Wsn------| |----Client m\n
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    Since there are multimple outside conections (wb1…n), the traffic to the VPN clnent is encripted and each client can have multiople connections (thats why i used Client m and not Client n) you can not in a reliable fashion tell which connection will be sent to which client.\n
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    Now your case:\n
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    Ws1------|----+++++++±–| Ws2------| | ----Client 1 Ws3------|. VPS. | Ws4------| | … | | Wsn------| |\n
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    You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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    From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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    Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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          From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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          If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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          To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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    Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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      I’m shopping for a VPN providers, and really struggling to find a detailed and non-biased breakdown of the various options. A number of years ago, I recall finding an extremely detailed VPN comparison spreadsheet that had 30+ columns, which were contained criteria by which the VPNs were judged both quantitatively and qualitatively. I can no longer find that table, so I suspect it has been removed, but I did find the less-comprehensive table, below:\n
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          I’d argue that deanonimation would be easier.\n
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          It is about the ability to trace back, not to be traced.\n
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          Now your case:\n
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          You can in that case reliable say that all the traffic is being piped to Client 1, because ks the only client.\n
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          From there a motivated party can trace back you traffic to you ISP, if you got a fixed IP you can be trace back to.\n
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          If you are behind a CGNAT that party will need help from your ISP, to see where the fraffic went. Which tbf I neglected to mention before, but still changes the trust from you VPS to you ISP.\n
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          To be REALLY fair this tho no wholly easy is also not incredibly hard given you have the right hardware in the right place, I just wanted to explain why mixing your traffic with others has an advantage over a single person VPN
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    Not if going first through a MIMO ofuscator. Which is what the VPN is.\n
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    Or could you explain how would you be able to tell which connection goes to which client?
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