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Response
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IP
216.73.216.97
Profiled on
Token
d236ce

Security

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Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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      \n
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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    disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
    \n
    Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
    So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
    I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
    \n
    EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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    disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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    Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
    So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
    I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
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    As I understand it, it’s just as they said:\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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    Other comments here do a great job pointing to DH key exchange; I’d like to try explaining it with the paint analogy.\n
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    You and Youtube need to agree on a “color of paint” (encryption key) without ever sending it over the network.\n
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    You and Youtube agree on a common “yellow” in the clear, and you each pick a secret color. Youtube mixes yellow and their secret and sends it to you. This is okay, because un-mixing paint (factoring large prime numbers) is really hard. You add your secret to the mixture, and now you have yellow+Youtube’s secret+your secret.\n
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    You mix yellow and your secret and send it to youtube. Youtube adds their secret; now they’ve got yellow+Youtube’s secret+your secret. You both have the final color!\n
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    An eavesdropper can’t reconstruct this - everything sent over the network had yellow mixed in, and un-mixing paint can be really hard. Maybe you can guess that green minus yellow is probably blue, but you can’t get close enough to decrypt anything. And what if it’s brown? Is that blue + orange, or is it red + green?\n
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    Cryptographers have worked very hard to make the communications secure. I would be more worried about the other end ratting you out - using a relay / proxy / vpn that you trust is a good idea :)
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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      I think you’re asking if it’s possible for your government to be a man-in-the-middle? Depending on which government you live under, the answer is likely no but more importantly the answer will always be; it’s not worth their effort to find out what you’re watching.\n
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      YouTube’s public key is signed by a certificate authority whose public key (root) is likely installed on your device from the factory. When you connect to YouTube, they send you a certificate chain which your browser will verify against that known root. In effect, it’s information both you and YouTube already share and can’t be tampered with over the wire.\n
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      Technically, those signatures can be forged by a well resourced adversary (i.e. a government) with access to the certificate authority through subversion, coercion, etc. At the same time, it’s probably easier to subvert or coerce you or YouTube to reveal what you watch.
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        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
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      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
      \n
      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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    Asymetrical encryption solves this, here is my attempt to do an ELI5:\n
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    In reality the padlocks are keys to lock a message, and the above text describe a secure key exchange.
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      Added to this is the fact that messages from Ben can be verified as having used the special padlocks Adam sent to Ben, as else Adam’s special key wouldn’t fit the padlocks given to Ben.\n
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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        Asymetrical encryption solves this, here is my attempt to do an ELI5:\n
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        \n
        When the Adam’s program first reaches out to Ben’s computer, it asks for an unlocked padlock, this is a padlock that can only be unlocked by Ben’s program.\n
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        The box is then sent to Adam’s program, and is unlocked.\n
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        This now means that Adam’s program can put messages to Ben in a box, lock the box with one of Ben’s special padlocks and send it on it’s way knowing that only Ben can unlock the box and read the message.\n
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        Likewise, Ben can also send messages in boxes locked with Adam’s padlocks and know that only Adam can unlock them and read the message.\n
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        Added to this is the fact that messages from Ben can be verified as having used the special padlocks Adam sent to Ben, as else Adam’s special key wouldn’t fit the padlocks given to Ben.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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        Asymetrical encryption solves this, here is my attempt to do an ELI5:\n
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        Adam want’s to send a chat message to Ben, but want to do it securely, so they use a special program on their computers.\n
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        When the Adam’s program first reaches out to Ben’s computer, it asks for an unlocked padlock, this is a padlock that can only be unlocked by Ben’s program.\n
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        The box is then sent to Adam’s program, and is unlocked.\n
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        This now means that Adam’s program can put messages to Ben in a box, lock the box with one of Ben’s special padlocks and send it on it’s way knowing that only Ben can unlock the box and read the message.\n
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        Likewise, Ben can also send messages in boxes locked with Adam’s padlocks and know that only Adam can unlock them and read the message.\n
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        Added to this is the fact that messages from Ben can be verified as having used the special padlocks Adam sent to Ben, as else Adam’s special key wouldn’t fit the padlocks given to Ben.\n
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        In reality the padlocks are keys to lock a message, and the above text describe a secure key exchange.
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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        Asymetrical encryption solves this, here is my attempt to do an ELI5:\n
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        This now means that Adam’s program can put messages to Ben in a box, lock the box with one of Ben’s special padlocks and send it on it’s way knowing that only Ben can unlock the box and read the message.\n
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        Added to this is the fact that messages from Ben can be verified as having used the special padlocks Adam sent to Ben, as else Adam’s special key wouldn’t fit the padlocks given to Ben.\n
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        In reality the padlocks are keys to lock a message, and the above text describe a secure key exchange.
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
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        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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          Asymetrical encryption solves this, here is my attempt to do an ELI5:\n
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          The box is then sent to Adam’s program, and is unlocked.\n
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          This now means that Adam’s program can put messages to Ben in a box, lock the box with one of Ben’s special padlocks and send it on it’s way knowing that only Ben can unlock the box and read the message.\n
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          Likewise, Ben can also send messages in boxes locked with Adam’s padlocks and know that only Adam can unlock them and read the message.\n
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          Added to this is the fact that messages from Ben can be verified as having used the special padlocks Adam sent to Ben, as else Adam’s special key wouldn’t fit the padlocks given to Ben.\n
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          In reality the padlocks are keys to lock a message, and the above text describe a secure key exchange.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
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      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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          The box is then sent to Adam’s program, and is unlocked.\n
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          This now means that Adam’s program can put messages to Ben in a box, lock the box with one of Ben’s special padlocks and send it on it’s way knowing that only Ben can unlock the box and read the message.\n
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          Likewise, Ben can also send messages in boxes locked with Adam’s padlocks and know that only Adam can unlock them and read the message.\n
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          Added to this is the fact that messages from Ben can be verified as having used the special padlocks Adam sent to Ben, as else Adam’s special key wouldn’t fit the padlocks given to Ben.\n
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          Asymetrical encryption solves this, here is my attempt to do an ELI5:\n
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          Adam want’s to send a chat message to Ben, but want to do it securely, so they use a special program on their computers.\n
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          When the Adam’s program first reaches out to Ben’s computer, it asks for an unlocked padlock, this is a padlock that can only be unlocked by Ben’s program.\n
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          The box is sent to Ben’s program, the program unlocks the box and creates it’s own special series of padlocks that only Ben’s program can unlock, put them in a box and locks it with Adam’s padlocks.\n
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          The box is then sent to Adam’s program, and is unlocked.\n
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          This now means that Adam’s program can put messages to Ben in a box, lock the box with one of Ben’s special padlocks and send it on it’s way knowing that only Ben can unlock the box and read the message.\n
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          Likewise, Ben can also send messages in boxes locked with Adam’s padlocks and know that only Adam can unlock them and read the message.\n
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          Added to this is the fact that messages from Ben can be verified as having used the special padlocks Adam sent to Ben, as else Adam’s special key wouldn’t fit the padlocks given to Ben.\n
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          In reality the padlocks are keys to lock a message, and the above text describe a secure key exchange.
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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    The other 2 commenters are wrong. URLs as they appear in your web browser are NOT encrypted when sent over https protocols.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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      Bh sharing, unencrypted, on Lemmy that you like watching revolutionary videos on YouTube, the government now has that data, even if Google wasn’t going to give it to them. I thought I would just add that, as everyone else has explained asymmetric encryption well.\n
      \n
      Also, usually it’s just the content of the website, not the URL itself that is encrypted, so anyone, not just the government, can know what YouTube videos you watch (as the video ID is in the URL) as well as the URL of any other websites you visit.
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    The other 2 commenters are wrong. URLs as they appear in your web browser are NOT encrypted when sent over https protocols.\n
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    So for example, a website login page crafts a URL like [some.example.com/login?sessionID=12345678](https://some.example.com/login?sessionID=12345678) and when you log in to the site extra parameters like Username and Password are sent via POST data, then anyone listening to your web traffic (like the NSA or your neighbor with wireshark) will br able to see the website and the sessionID, but not the login details as they will only show up encrypted.\n
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        ============================================================\n
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        \n
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
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        \n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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      Bh sharing, unencrypted, on Lemmy that you like watching revolutionary videos on YouTube, the government now has that data, even if Google wasn’t going to give it to them. I thought I would just add that, as everyone else has explained asymmetric encryption well.\n
      \n
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    The other 2 commenters are wrong. URLs as they appear in your web browser are NOT encrypted when sent over https protocols.\n
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      SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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    this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
    \n
    > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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    How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
        \n
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        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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    this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
    \n
    > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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    How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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    this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
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    > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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    How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
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      this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
      \n
      > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
      \n
      How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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    Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
    \n
    Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
    \n
    We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
    \n
    In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
    \n
    You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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    As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
    \n
    All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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        SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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        Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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        Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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      this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
      \n
      > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
      \n
      How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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    Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
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    Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
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    In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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    You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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    All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
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        - Be nice :)\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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        SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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        Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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        Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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      this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
      \n
      > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
      \n
      How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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    Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
    \n
    Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
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    We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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    In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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    You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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    As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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    All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
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        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
      \n
      Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
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      We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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      In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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      You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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      As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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      All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        ============================================================\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
        \n
        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
      \n
      Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
      \n
      We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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      In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
      \n
      You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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      As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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      All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
          \n
          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
        \n
        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
        \n
        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
      \n
      Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
      \n
      We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
      \n
      In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
      \n
      You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
      \n
      As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
      \n
      All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        \n
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        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
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        \n
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        - Be nice :)\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
        \n
        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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    +body: "so you can encrypt a message with my public key but you cannot decrypt it afterward ??"
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    The best way I find to think about it is a padlocked box.\n
    \n
    The public key is a box with an open padlock on it. I can give it to anyone. If someone puts a message inside the box they can lock the padlock, but they don’t have the key to open it again.\n
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    I keep the key private. If someone sends me a locked box that has my padlock on it, only I have the key to open it and read the message.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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            Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
            \n
            Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
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        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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    +body: "so you can encrypt a message with my public key but you cannot decrypt it afterward ??"
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    The best way I find to think about it is a padlocked box.\n
    \n
    The public key is a box with an open padlock on it. I can give it to anyone. If someone puts a message inside the box they can lock the padlock, but they don’t have the key to open it again.\n
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    I keep the key private. If someone sends me a locked box that has my padlock on it, only I have the key to open it and read the message.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
        \n
        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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    +body: "so you can encrypt a message with my public key but you cannot decrypt it afterward ??"
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    The best way I find to think about it is a padlocked box.\n
    \n
    The public key is a box with an open padlock on it. I can give it to anyone. If someone puts a message inside the box they can lock the padlock, but they don’t have the key to open it again.\n
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    I keep the key private. If someone sends me a locked box that has my padlock on it, only I have the key to open it and read the message.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
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        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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            Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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            Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
        \n
        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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            You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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            Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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            Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
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          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
        \n
        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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    +body: "so you can encrypt a message with my public key but you cannot decrypt it afterward ??"
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  +body: "Exactly. Once encrypted with your public key, you’re the only one who can decrypt and read it as you are the only one with access to your private key."
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
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        \n
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
        - Be nice :)\n
        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
      \n
      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
      """
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
          \n
          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
          \n
          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
          \n
          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
        \n
        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
        \n
        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
      \n
      Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
      \n
      We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
      \n
      In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
      \n
      You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
      \n
      As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
      \n
      All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
      """
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    > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
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    This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
        \n
        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
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        \n
        - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
        - Be nice :)\n
        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
          \n
          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
          \n
          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
        \n
        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
        \n
        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
      \n
      Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
      \n
      We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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      In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
      \n
      You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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      As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
      \n
      All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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    > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
    \n
    This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
    """
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
        \n
        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
        \n
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        \n
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
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        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
        - Be nice :)\n
        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
          \n
          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
          \n
          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
        \n
        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
        \n
        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
      \n
      Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
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      We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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      In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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      You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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      As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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      All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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    > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
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    This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
        \n
        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
        \n
        ### Some Rules\n
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        - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
        - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
        - Be nice :)\n
        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
      \n
      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
      """
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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            You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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            Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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            Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
          \n
          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
        \n
        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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      > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
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      This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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    As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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    In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
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        ### Related communities\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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            You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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            Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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            Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
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        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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      > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
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      This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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    As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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    In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
      \n
      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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            SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
            \n
            Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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            Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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          this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
          \n
          > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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        Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
        \n
        Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
        \n
        We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
        \n
        In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
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        You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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        As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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        All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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      > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
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      This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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    As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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    In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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              SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
              \n
              You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
              \n
              Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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              Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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            this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
            \n
            > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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          Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
          \n
          Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
          \n
          We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
          \n
          In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
          \n
          You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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          As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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          All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
        \n
        This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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      As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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      In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
      """
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
      \n
      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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              SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
              \n
              You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
              \n
              Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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              Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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            this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
            \n
            > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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          Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
          \n
          Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
          \n
          We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
          \n
          In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
          \n
          You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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          As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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          All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
        \n
        This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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      As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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      In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
      \n
      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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              SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
              \n
              You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
              \n
              Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
              \n
              Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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            this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
            \n
            > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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          Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
          \n
          Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
          \n
          We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
          \n
          In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
          \n
          You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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          As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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          All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
        \n
        This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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      As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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      In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
      """
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  +body: "no, it isn’t bidirectional, public = encrypt, private = decrypt, that’s it. You can address a message to multiple recipients though (when using GPG), so often in case of email a message is addressed both to yourself and your recipient, so both you and your recipient have access to message text"
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
      """
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              SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
              \n
              You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
              \n
              Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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              Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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            this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
            \n
            > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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          Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
          \n
          Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
          \n
          We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
          \n
          In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
          \n
          You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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          As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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          All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
        \n
        This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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      As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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      In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
      """
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  +body: "You’re not mistaken, [it is definitely possible with at least RSA](1), though, I would guess it may not always be possible. It also sounds like it’s still a bad idea unless you know all of the parameters used to generate the keys and can be sure what information is actually encoded in the keys."
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
      """
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              SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
              \n
              You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
              \n
              Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
              \n
              Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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            this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
            \n
            > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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          Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
          \n
          Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
          \n
          We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
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          In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
          \n
          You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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          As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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          All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
        \n
        This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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      As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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      In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
      """
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
        \n
        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
        \n
        ### Some Rules\n
        \n
        - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
        - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
        - Be nice :)\n
        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
      \n
      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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              SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
              \n
              You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
              \n
              Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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              Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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            this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
            \n
            > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
            \n
            How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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          Youtube never knows the private half of your key pair. That never leaves your system.\n
          \n
          Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half. These halves are known as the public key and the private key. Each side of the connection generates their own key pairs.\n
          \n
          We both generate a set of keys, and exchange the public halves with each other. I then want to send you a message: I first encrypt it using my private key, I then encrypt it again using your public key and send that to you.\n
          \n
          In order to read that message, you first decrypt it using your private key. This ensures the message was intended for you and wasn’t modified in transit, as you are the only one with access to that private key and only its matching public key could have been used to encrypt that layer.\n
          \n
          You then decrypt it a second time using my public key. As I’m the only one with access to my own private key, you can be sure the message was sent by me.\n
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          As long as that resulted in a readable message; You’ve now verified who sent the message, that it was intended for you, and that the contents have not been modified or read in transit.\n
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          All this, including the key exchange is handled for you by the https (tls) protocol every time you connect to a website. Each of the messages sent between you and the site are encrypted in this manner.
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        > Anything encrypted with the private half can only be decrypted with the public half, and anything encrypted with the public half can only be decrypted with the private half.\n
        \n
        This is not true. In key pair cryptography, the public key used only for encryption and the private key is used only for decryption.
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      As far as I understand a key pair can be used bi-directionally like I’d described. Was I mistaken?\n
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      In practice, the private key is usually used to create signatures instead, but I avoided that for simplicity.
      """
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  +body: "You’re not mistaken, [it is definitely possible with at least RSA](1), though, I would guess it may not always be possible. It also sounds like it’s still a bad idea unless you know all of the parameters used to generate the keys and can be sure what information is actually encoded in the keys."
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      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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        SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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      this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
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      > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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      How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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    Your computer generates two keys. One to encrypt a message. One to decrypt the message. The encrypt key is public. The decrypt key is private. Your computer shares the public key with YouTube. The private key is never shared.\n
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    YouTube does the same thing for your computer.\n
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    Your computer will have YouTube’s public key and your computer’s private key…\n
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    Your computer will be able to encrypt messages to send to YouTube that only YouTube will be able to decrypt. Even your computer will not be able to decrypt these messages after it has encrypted them using YouTube’s public key.\n
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    Since the decryption keys are never shared they can’t be snooped. That is why it is only possible for an attacker to encrypt new messages but not read any messages from either sender.
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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        SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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        Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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        Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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      this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
      \n
      > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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      How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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    Your computer generates two keys. One to encrypt a message. One to decrypt the message. The encrypt key is public. The decrypt key is private. Your computer shares the public key with YouTube. The private key is never shared.\n
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    YouTube does the same thing for your computer.\n
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    Your computer will have YouTube’s public key and your computer’s private key…\n
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    Your computer will be able to encrypt messages to send to YouTube that only YouTube will be able to decrypt. Even your computer will not be able to decrypt these messages after it has encrypted them using YouTube’s public key.\n
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    Since the decryption keys are never shared they can’t be snooped. That is why it is only possible for an attacker to encrypt new messages but not read any messages from either sender.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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      this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
      \n
      > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
      \n
      How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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    Your computer generates two keys. One to encrypt a message. One to decrypt the message. The encrypt key is public. The decrypt key is private. Your computer shares the public key with YouTube. The private key is never shared.\n
    \n
    YouTube does the same thing for your computer.\n
    \n
    Your computer will have YouTube’s public key and your computer’s private key…\n
    \n
    Your computer will be able to encrypt messages to send to YouTube that only YouTube will be able to decrypt. Even your computer will not be able to decrypt these messages after it has encrypted them using YouTube’s public key.\n
    \n
    Since the decryption keys are never shared they can’t be snooped. That is why it is only possible for an attacker to encrypt new messages but not read any messages from either sender.
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
          \n
          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
        \n
        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Your computer generates two keys. One to encrypt a message. One to decrypt the message. The encrypt key is public. The decrypt key is private. Your computer shares the public key with YouTube. The private key is never shared.\n
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      YouTube does the same thing for your computer.\n
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      Your computer will have YouTube’s public key and your computer’s private key…\n
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      Your computer will be able to encrypt messages to send to YouTube that only YouTube will be able to decrypt. Even your computer will not be able to decrypt these messages after it has encrypted them using YouTube’s public key.\n
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      Since the decryption keys are never shared they can’t be snooped. That is why it is only possible for an attacker to encrypt new messages but not read any messages from either sender.
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  +body: "Good description of asymmetric cryptography!"
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
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      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
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        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Your computer generates two keys. One to encrypt a message. One to decrypt the message. The encrypt key is public. The decrypt key is private. Your computer shares the public key with YouTube. The private key is never shared.\n
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      YouTube does the same thing for your computer.\n
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      Your computer will have YouTube’s public key and your computer’s private key…\n
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      Your computer will be able to encrypt messages to send to YouTube that only YouTube will be able to decrypt. Even your computer will not be able to decrypt these messages after it has encrypted them using YouTube’s public key.\n
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      Since the decryption keys are never shared they can’t be snooped. That is why it is only possible for an attacker to encrypt new messages but not read any messages from either sender.
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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          SSL/TLS, the “S” in HTTPS, and other network encryption protocols such as SSH, use a technique called a [Diffie-Hellman key exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange). This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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          You and Youtube only ever exchange the public halves of your respective key pairs. If someone snoops on the key exchange all they can do is insert spoofed messages, not decrypt real ones.\n
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          Moreover, the keypairs are generated on the fly for each new session rather than reused. This means that even a future compromise of youtube won’t unlock old sessions. This is a concept called [forward secrecy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy).\n
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          Message spoofing is prevented by digital signatures. These also use the Diffie-Hellman principle of pairs of public/private keys, but use separate longer-term key pairs than those used with encryption. The public half of youtube’s signing key, as presented by the server when you connect to it, has to be digitally signed by a well-known public authority whose public signing key was shipped with your web browser.
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        this is very detailed answer thank you. however I face an ambiguity regarding this:\n
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        > This is a mode of cryptography where each side generates two keys: a public half and a private half. Anything encrypted with the public half is only decryptable by the associated private half (and vice versa).\n
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        How can this private half be something that I know, Youtube knows but impossible for the snooper to our communication to know??
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      Your computer generates two keys. One to encrypt a message. One to decrypt the message. The encrypt key is public. The decrypt key is private. Your computer shares the public key with YouTube. The private key is never shared.\n
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      YouTube does the same thing for your computer.\n
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      Your computer will have YouTube’s public key and your computer’s private key…\n
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      Your computer will be able to encrypt messages to send to YouTube that only YouTube will be able to decrypt. Even your computer will not be able to decrypt these messages after it has encrypted them using YouTube’s public key.\n
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      Since the decryption keys are never shared they can’t be snooped. That is why it is only possible for an attacker to encrypt new messages but not read any messages from either sender.
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      disclaimer: I’m just asking to get understanding of the theory behind network traffic encryption, I know this doesn’t happen irl most likely.\n
      \n
      Let’s take https connection for example. I like watching revolutionary things on youtube and do not wish for authorities to know what I am watching, we accept here for the sake of showcase that google won’t sell my watch history if asked (LMAO what am I even saying?).  \n
      So if I’m not mistaken since youtube has https implemented, our communication is encrypted, the keys are shared only between me and youtube. But when Youtube shares the key with me/my client the first time, is that also encrypted? Wouldn’t the same question keep getting answered until there is something unencrypted? I know this is a bit too much unlikely, but if ISP automated the process of gathering keys and decrypting web traffic for a certain site with them for all users, would that work for them?  \n
      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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      EDIT: Thank you everybody. I am not a member of this community, but every comment was a golden experience to read!
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  +body: "@zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com @privacy@lemmy.ml it usually uses Diffie-Hellman key exchange which generates a shared key without revealing it to anyone. There are other ways to do it too."
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      I’m taking https here as an example, while I have the same question for like VPN.\n
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    A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
    ============================================================\n
    \n
    Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
    \n
    In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
    \n
    ### Some Rules\n
    \n
    - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
    - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
    - Try to keep things on topic\n
    - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
    - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
    - Be nice :)\n
    \n
    ### Related communities\n
    \n
    - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
    - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
    - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
    - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
    \n
    ### Chat rooms\n
    \n
    - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
    - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
    \n
    much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
    """
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