GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@TCB13@lemmy.world/active?p=10

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.148
Profiled on
Token
d43f48

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 2.30 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.05 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
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    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
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  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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    Microsoft is singing the praises of the new Outlook and wants to persuade users to switch. But beware: if you try out the new Outlook, you risk transferring your IMAP and SMTP credentials of mail accounts and all your emails to Microsoft servers. Although Microsoft explains that it is possible to switch back to the previous apps at any time, the data will already be stored by the company. This allows Microsoft to read the emails. Start menu shows new Outlook as recommended app\n
    \n
    The new Outlook now appears as a recommended app in the Windows Start menu of Windows 11 devices with the 2023 update. The Outlook client itself also offers to test the new Outlook version with a “The new Outlook” switch. This is still under development, but is set to replace the mail program and the calendar included in Windows in 2024. In a recent tech community article, Microsoft employee Caitlin Hart also explains that it will also replace the classic Outlook. However, unlike the Windows Mail and Calendar apps, the timetable for this has not yet been set.\n
    \n
    When adding a mail account in the new Outlook that is not hosted by Microsoft but is located on company mail servers, for example, the program displays a message. It links to a support article that simply states that non-Microsoft accounts are synchronized with the Microsoft cloud, whereby Gmail, Yahoo, iCloud and IMAP accounts are currently supported. The new Outlook also does this in the versions for Android, iOS and Mac. This means that copies “of your email, calendar, and contacts will be synchronized between your email provider and Microsoft data center”. This gives the company full access to all emails and allows it to read and analyze them. Microsoft wants to provide functions that way that Gmail and IMAP do not offer. Warning message of the new Outlook version when adding a non-Microsoft account\n
    \n
    The note makes you wonder: What does Microsoft transfer where? When creating an IMAP account, c’t was able to sniff the traffic between new Outlook and the Microsoft servers. It contained the target server, log-in name and password which were sent to those Servers of Microsoft. Although TLS-protected, the data is sent to Microsoft in plain text within the tunnel. Without informing or inquiring about this, Microsoft grants itself access to the IMAP and SMTP login data of users of the new Outlook.\n
    \n
    When switching from the old Outlook to the new one, it is installed the new software in parallel. Previously set up IMAP accounts are not automatically transferred, but the account stored in Windows is. During the test with Google accounts, authentication with OAuth2 was used. Users receive an authentication request and Microsoft does not receive any specific access data, but only an access token that users can revoke again.\n
    \n
    An answer to our request for a statement from Microsoft is still pending. At this point in time, however, we must warn against trying out the new Outlook without thinking. In addition to all the emails, some credentials may even end up with Microsoft.\n
    \n
    Microsoft already attracted attention with such data redirections at the beginning of the year. After Office updates were applied on Mac computers, Outlook redirected the data to Microsoft’s cloud servers without any user notification. At that time, the remedy was to delete IMAP accounts and set them up again. However, this is obviously no longer helpful with the new Outlook.\n
    \n
    The Federal Commissioner for Data Protection and Freedom of Information of Germany, Professor Ulrich Kelber, is alarmed by the data detour in Microsoft’s new Outlook. He posted on Mastodon that he wants to ask for a report from the Irish Data Protection Commissioner, who is responsible for companies like Microsoft, during a meeting of the European data protection supervisory authorities on Tuesday of the coming week.
    """
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
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3 DENIED edit 
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  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#3265 …}
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  +url: "https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-lays-hands-on-login-data-Beware-of-the-new-Outlook-9358925.html"
  +body: """
    Microsoft is singing the praises of the new Outlook and wants to persuade users to switch. But beware: if you try out the new Outlook, you risk transferring your IMAP and SMTP credentials of mail accounts and all your emails to Microsoft servers. Although Microsoft explains that it is possible to switch back to the previous apps at any time, the data will already be stored by the company. This allows Microsoft to read the emails. Start menu shows new Outlook as recommended app\n
    \n
    The new Outlook now appears as a recommended app in the Windows Start menu of Windows 11 devices with the 2023 update. The Outlook client itself also offers to test the new Outlook version with a “The new Outlook” switch. This is still under development, but is set to replace the mail program and the calendar included in Windows in 2024. In a recent tech community article, Microsoft employee Caitlin Hart also explains that it will also replace the classic Outlook. However, unlike the Windows Mail and Calendar apps, the timetable for this has not yet been set.\n
    \n
    When adding a mail account in the new Outlook that is not hosted by Microsoft but is located on company mail servers, for example, the program displays a message. It links to a support article that simply states that non-Microsoft accounts are synchronized with the Microsoft cloud, whereby Gmail, Yahoo, iCloud and IMAP accounts are currently supported. The new Outlook also does this in the versions for Android, iOS and Mac. This means that copies “of your email, calendar, and contacts will be synchronized between your email provider and Microsoft data center”. This gives the company full access to all emails and allows it to read and analyze them. Microsoft wants to provide functions that way that Gmail and IMAP do not offer. Warning message of the new Outlook version when adding a non-Microsoft account\n
    \n
    The note makes you wonder: What does Microsoft transfer where? When creating an IMAP account, c’t was able to sniff the traffic between new Outlook and the Microsoft servers. It contained the target server, log-in name and password which were sent to those Servers of Microsoft. Although TLS-protected, the data is sent to Microsoft in plain text within the tunnel. Without informing or inquiring about this, Microsoft grants itself access to the IMAP and SMTP login data of users of the new Outlook.\n
    \n
    When switching from the old Outlook to the new one, it is installed the new software in parallel. Previously set up IMAP accounts are not automatically transferred, but the account stored in Windows is. During the test with Google accounts, authentication with OAuth2 was used. Users receive an authentication request and Microsoft does not receive any specific access data, but only an access token that users can revoke again.\n
    \n
    An answer to our request for a statement from Microsoft is still pending. At this point in time, however, we must warn against trying out the new Outlook without thinking. In addition to all the emails, some credentials may even end up with Microsoft.\n
    \n
    Microsoft already attracted attention with such data redirections at the beginning of the year. After Office updates were applied on Mac computers, Outlook redirected the data to Microsoft’s cloud servers without any user notification. At that time, the remedy was to delete IMAP accounts and set them up again. However, this is obviously no longer helpful with the new Outlook.\n
    \n
    The Federal Commissioner for Data Protection and Freedom of Information of Germany, Professor Ulrich Kelber, is alarmed by the data detour in Microsoft’s new Outlook. He posted on Mastodon that he wants to ask for a report from the Irish Data Protection Commissioner, who is responsible for companies like Microsoft, during a meeting of the European data protection supervisory authorities on Tuesday of the coming week.
    """
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        > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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        Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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        > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
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        Yes, I’ve seen a TON of American propaganda and people flipping out about central / govt issued IDs, driving licenses and whatnot. I also know that most US states use still use rudimentary paper-only documents to identify citizens… I mean the situation is so bad that even Apple is trying to digitize them.\n
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        Meanwhile here in Europe most countries / people have smartcards (that in some cases combine multiple documents, like the actual ID, social security ID, tax number, driving license etc.) and are using it to login to govt websites and to sign documents. It’s just crazy fun to see that in the US there are tons of companies offering ways to digitally sign documents in “a safe way” and even again, Apple, creating the [means to scan a signature](https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/digitally-sign-a-pdf-using-preview-on-mac/) while here those things have little to no value and people are required to actually use their identity cards to sign docs. lol\n
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        > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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        While Germany cards doesn’t seem to have a digital / smartcard component, French ones do. In Portugal and Spain at least you’re required to sign digital documents with your identity card, using a smartcard reader + a small utility app provided by the gov. Only those have legal value and this is enforced. Scanned handwritten signatures have zero value, and I know this also applied for other EU countries.\n
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        - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
        - [mobbeel.com/…/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4…](https://www.mobbeel.com/en/blog/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4-0/)\n
        - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
        - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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        > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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        Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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        > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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        Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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        > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
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        Yes, I’ve seen a TON of American propaganda and people flipping out about central / govt issued IDs, driving licenses and whatnot. I also know that most US states use still use rudimentary paper-only documents to identify citizens… I mean the situation is so bad that even Apple is trying to digitize them.\n
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        Meanwhile here in Europe most countries / people have smartcards (that in some cases combine multiple documents, like the actual ID, social security ID, tax number, driving license etc.) and are using it to login to govt websites and to sign documents. It’s just crazy fun to see that in the US there are tons of companies offering ways to digitally sign documents in “a safe way” and even again, Apple, creating the [means to scan a signature](https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/digitally-sign-a-pdf-using-preview-on-mac/) while here those things have little to no value and people are required to actually use their identity cards to sign docs. lol\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7f70a500-8ec1-4f47-88e5-14cdf8ec243e.jpeg)
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        > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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        - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
        - [mobbeel.com/…/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4…](https://www.mobbeel.com/en/blog/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4-0/)\n
        - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
        - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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        > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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        Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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        > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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        Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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        > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
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        Yes, I’ve seen a TON of American propaganda and people flipping out about central / govt issued IDs, driving licenses and whatnot. I also know that most US states use still use rudimentary paper-only documents to identify citizens… I mean the situation is so bad that even Apple is trying to digitize them.\n
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        Meanwhile here in Europe most countries / people have smartcards (that in some cases combine multiple documents, like the actual ID, social security ID, tax number, driving license etc.) and are using it to login to govt websites and to sign documents. It’s just crazy fun to see that in the US there are tons of companies offering ways to digitally sign documents in “a safe way” and even again, Apple, creating the [means to scan a signature](https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/digitally-sign-a-pdf-using-preview-on-mac/) while here those things have little to no value and people are required to actually use their identity cards to sign docs. lol\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7f70a500-8ec1-4f47-88e5-14cdf8ec243e.jpeg)
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        > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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        While Germany cards doesn’t seem to have a digital / smartcard component, French ones do. In Portugal and Spain at least you’re required to sign digital documents with your identity card, using a smartcard reader + a small utility app provided by the gov. Only those have legal value and this is enforced. Scanned handwritten signatures have zero value, and I know this also applied for other EU countries.\n
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        - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
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        - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
        - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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        > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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          > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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          - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
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          - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
          - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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          > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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          Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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    > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
    \n
    Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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    > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
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    Yes, I’ve seen a TON of American propaganda and people flipping out about central / govt issued IDs, driving licenses and whatnot. I also know that most US states use still use rudimentary paper-only documents to identify citizens… I mean the situation is so bad that even Apple is trying to digitize them.\n
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    Meanwhile here in Europe most countries / people have smartcards (that in some cases combine multiple documents, like the actual ID, social security ID, tax number, driving license etc.) and are using it to login to govt websites and to sign documents. It’s just crazy fun to see that in the US there are tons of companies offering ways to digitally sign documents in “a safe way” and even again, Apple, creating the [means to scan a signature](https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/digitally-sign-a-pdf-using-preview-on-mac/) while here those things have little to no value and people are required to actually use their identity cards to sign docs. lol\n
    \n
    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7f70a500-8ec1-4f47-88e5-14cdf8ec243e.jpeg)
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          > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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          - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
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          - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
          - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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          > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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          Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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    > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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    Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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          - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
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          > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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    > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7f70a500-8ec1-4f47-88e5-14cdf8ec243e.jpeg)
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          > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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          Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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    > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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    While Germany cards doesn’t seem to have a digital / smartcard component, French ones do. In Portugal and Spain at least you’re required to sign digital documents with your identity card, using a smartcard reader + a small utility app provided by the gov. Only those have legal value and this is enforced. Scanned handwritten signatures have zero value, and I know this also applied for other EU countries.\n
    \n
    - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
    - [mobbeel.com/…/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4…](https://www.mobbeel.com/en/blog/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4-0/)\n
    - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
    - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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          > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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          Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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          > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
          \n
          Yes, I’ve seen a TON of American propaganda and people flipping out about central / govt issued IDs, driving licenses and whatnot. I also know that most US states use still use rudimentary paper-only documents to identify citizens… I mean the situation is so bad that even Apple is trying to digitize them.\n
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          Meanwhile here in Europe most countries / people have smartcards (that in some cases combine multiple documents, like the actual ID, social security ID, tax number, driving license etc.) and are using it to login to govt websites and to sign documents. It’s just crazy fun to see that in the US there are tons of companies offering ways to digitally sign documents in “a safe way” and even again, Apple, creating the [means to scan a signature](https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/digitally-sign-a-pdf-using-preview-on-mac/) while here those things have little to no value and people are required to actually use their identity cards to sign docs. lol\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7f70a500-8ec1-4f47-88e5-14cdf8ec243e.jpeg)
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          > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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          Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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    > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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    While Germany cards doesn’t seem to have a digital / smartcard component, French ones do. In Portugal and Spain at least you’re required to sign digital documents with your identity card, using a smartcard reader + a small utility app provided by the gov. Only those have legal value and this is enforced. Scanned handwritten signatures have zero value, and I know this also applied for other EU countries.\n
    \n
    - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
    - [mobbeel.com/…/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4…](https://www.mobbeel.com/en/blog/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4-0/)\n
    - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
    - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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          > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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          Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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          > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
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          > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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          Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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    > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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    - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
    - [mobbeel.com/…/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4…](https://www.mobbeel.com/en/blog/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4-0/)\n
    - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
    - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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          > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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          While Germany cards doesn’t seem to have a digital / smartcard component, French ones do. In Portugal and Spain at least you’re required to sign digital documents with your identity card, using a smartcard reader + a small utility app provided by the gov. Only those have legal value and this is enforced. Scanned handwritten signatures have zero value, and I know this also applied for other EU countries.\n
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          - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
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          - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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    > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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    Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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          > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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          Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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          > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
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          Yes, I’ve seen a TON of American propaganda and people flipping out about central / govt issued IDs, driving licenses and whatnot. I also know that most US states use still use rudimentary paper-only documents to identify citizens… I mean the situation is so bad that even Apple is trying to digitize them.\n
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          Meanwhile here in Europe most countries / people have smartcards (that in some cases combine multiple documents, like the actual ID, social security ID, tax number, driving license etc.) and are using it to login to govt websites and to sign documents. It’s just crazy fun to see that in the US there are tons of companies offering ways to digitally sign documents in “a safe way” and even again, Apple, creating the [means to scan a signature](https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/digitally-sign-a-pdf-using-preview-on-mac/) while here those things have little to no value and people are required to actually use their identity cards to sign docs. lol\n
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          > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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          While Germany cards doesn’t seem to have a digital / smartcard component, French ones do. In Portugal and Spain at least you’re required to sign digital documents with your identity card, using a smartcard reader + a small utility app provided by the gov. Only those have legal value and this is enforced. Scanned handwritten signatures have zero value, and I know this also applied for other EU countries.\n
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          - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
          - [mobbeel.com/…/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4…](https://www.mobbeel.com/en/blog/new-national-id-card-in-spain-dni-4-0/)\n
          - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
          - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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    > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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          > An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists.\n
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          Yeah that’s a very big possibility for the state of the EU, I’m not gonna deny it.\n
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          > You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.\n
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          Yes, I’ve seen a TON of American propaganda and people flipping out about central / govt issued IDs, driving licenses and whatnot. I also know that most US states use still use rudimentary paper-only documents to identify citizens… I mean the situation is so bad that even Apple is trying to digitize them.\n
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          Meanwhile here in Europe most countries / people have smartcards (that in some cases combine multiple documents, like the actual ID, social security ID, tax number, driving license etc.) and are using it to login to govt websites and to sign documents. It’s just crazy fun to see that in the US there are tons of companies offering ways to digitally sign documents in “a safe way” and even again, Apple, creating the [means to scan a signature](https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/digitally-sign-a-pdf-using-preview-on-mac/) while here those things have little to no value and people are required to actually use their identity cards to sign docs. lol\n
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          > It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport.\n
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          - [www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/…/portugal-id](https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/customer-cases/portugal-id)\n
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          - [alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card](https://alchetron.com/Estonian-ID-card) and [e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/](https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/)\n
          - [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card)
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    > A government doesn’t need to take away your papers to deny you its services.\n
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    Yes, people just need to be dumb enough to vote the typical half communist and half socialist parties to power and they’ll take care of ruining public services for everyone in equal measure. :)
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        Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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          Question is: why can’t the GNOME people that are so eager to reinvent everything dedicate a few bucks out of their new [1M€ funding](https://linuxiac.com/gnomes-receives-one-million-boost/) and integrate it with `systemd-networkd` and ditch the old NetworkManager for good. That thing is inconsistent and to make things worse now we’ve the “new network settings” with some settings and then the NetworkManager window/GUI with more settings and things are as coherent as Windows 10’s new Settings vs Control Panel… Fucks sake GNOME.\n
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        I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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        I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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        > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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        Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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        > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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        Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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        Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
        \n
        Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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        And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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        Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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        And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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        And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d6de22c5-b157-4673-b232-651533911548.jpeg)\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c85784b8-9c04-46df-b0b1-05b07b466bd9.jpeg)\n
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        If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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        And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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          NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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          - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
          - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
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          I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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          - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
          - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
          - FileBrowser for web access;\n
          - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
          - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
          - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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          - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
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          Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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        I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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        I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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        > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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        Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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        > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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        Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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        Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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        Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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        And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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        Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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        And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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        And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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        If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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        And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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          NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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          - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
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          I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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          - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
          - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
          - FileBrowser for web access;\n
          - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
          - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
          - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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          Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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          - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
          - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
          - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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          Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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          I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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        I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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        I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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        > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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        Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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        > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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        Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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        Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
        \n
        Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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        And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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        Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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        And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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        ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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        And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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        If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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        And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            My future investments will be:\n
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            - ejabberd with the IMAP integration and setup plugins for audio/video chat, push notifications, presence indication;\n
            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
          \n
          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
          \n
          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
          \n
          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/aacddcbc-2038-4b15-99cb-d34ce85f724e.jpeg)\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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          And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d6de22c5-b157-4673-b232-651533911548.jpeg)\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c85784b8-9c04-46df-b0b1-05b07b466bd9.jpeg)\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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    I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
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            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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          And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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    I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
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            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            My future investments will be:\n
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            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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    I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            My future investments will be:\n
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            - ejabberd with the IMAP integration and setup plugins for audio/video chat, push notifications, presence indication;\n
            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
          \n
          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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          And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c85784b8-9c04-46df-b0b1-05b07b466bd9.jpeg)\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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    Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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    > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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    Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            My future investments will be:\n
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            - ejabberd with the IMAP integration and setup plugins for audio/video chat, push notifications, presence indication;\n
            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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    Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
    \n
    > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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    Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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    Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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    > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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    Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
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            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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    Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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    Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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    And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/aacddcbc-2038-4b15-99cb-d34ce85f724e.jpeg)\n
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    Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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    And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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    And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c85784b8-9c04-46df-b0b1-05b07b466bd9.jpeg)\n
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    If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
    \n
    And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            - ejabberd with the IMAP integration and setup plugins for audio/video chat, push notifications, presence indication;\n
            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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    Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
    \n
    Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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    And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/aacddcbc-2038-4b15-99cb-d34ce85f724e.jpeg)\n
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    Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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    And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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    And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d6de22c5-b157-4673-b232-651533911548.jpeg)\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c85784b8-9c04-46df-b0b1-05b07b466bd9.jpeg)\n
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    If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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    And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            My future investments will be:\n
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            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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            I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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    Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
    \n
    Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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    And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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    Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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    And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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    ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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    And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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    If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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    And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
          \n
          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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            - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
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            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
          \n
          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
          \n
          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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          And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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            NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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            Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
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            - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
            - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
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            - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
            - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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            I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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            I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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            - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
            - FileBrowser for web access;\n
            - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
            - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
            - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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            Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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            - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
            - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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            Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
          \n
          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
          \n
          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
          \n
          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          \n
          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
          \n
          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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          And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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    NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
    \n
    Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
    \n
    - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
    - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
    - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
    - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
    - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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    I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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    I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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    With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
    \n
    - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
    - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
    - FileBrowser for web access;\n
    - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
    - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
    - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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    Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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    My future investments will be:\n
    \n
    - ejabberd with the IMAP integration and setup plugins for audio/video chat, push notifications, presence indication;\n
    - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
    - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
    - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
    \n
    Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
    \n
    I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
          \n
          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
          \n
          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/aacddcbc-2038-4b15-99cb-d34ce85f724e.jpeg)\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a95bb3b-9938-4f6e-8fb8-eb1e6a236f01.jpeg)\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4089d193-fcd1-4631-91f0-424a5c1ff684.jpeg)\n
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          And of course, here it is the infamous bullets that never get rendered:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d6de22c5-b157-4673-b232-651533911548.jpeg)\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c85784b8-9c04-46df-b0b1-05b07b466bd9.jpeg)\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
    \n
    Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
    \n
    - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
    - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
    - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
    - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
    - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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    I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
    \n
    I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
    \n
    With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
    \n
    - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
    - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
    - FileBrowser for web access;\n
    - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
    - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
    - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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    Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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    My future investments will be:\n
    \n
    - ejabberd with the IMAP integration and setup plugins for audio/video chat, push notifications, presence indication;\n
    - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
    - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
    - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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    Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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    I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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          I can say I get your point however 30 users isn’t “scalability”, it is just a normal family. I usually try to test random versions of Nextcloud from time to time to see it they’ve improved however I can’t even make it work properly for myself let alone 30 people.\n
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          I’m not sure what you consider “great experience” but a lagging webUI that spits dozens of warning and errors into the console doesn’t cut it for me. Let alone a piece of shit webmail that isn’t even capable of making a bullet list display properly or compose messages in a textarea larger than 200x200.
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          > That said, the webUI doesn’t lag at all for me and I have no errors or warnings in the console.\n
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          Maybe its just because you’re not using the webmail, that thing is just poor taste.\n
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          > Are you sure you set everything up properly?\n
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          Yes, I tried the full manual installation, docker images and whatnot, all about the same. About the lag… most time it’s not the UI lagging but every action is slow, takes time to load even on high end hardware. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X + 32 GB of RAM + NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2TB.
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          Seems a lot more frequent to me than what you describe, but yes it can be something related to the webmail.\n
          \n
          Here examples of warnings and errors that are constantly spammed to the console:\n
          \n
          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d14c210-b469-4bff-90e2-e6ad15179cd8.jpeg)\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df8bcac4-87c5-49a2-a913-ed12851cd104.jpeg)\n
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          And there is the smallest message compose window the world has even seen:\n
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          ![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/aacddcbc-2038-4b15-99cb-d34ce85f724e.jpeg)\n
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          Just because “it makes sense”, you’re required to use an hidden menu to enable formatting tools in every single message you want to type, no global toggle available in settings:\n
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          And obviously that Nextcloud wouldn’t do it like any sane WYSIWYG since Office was announced in 1988. You to select text to get into the formatting tools, no way to have a permanent toolbar at the top:\n
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          If you send the email they’re there, but the editor never shows them.\n
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          And that was it, Nextcloud in 2023.
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    NextCloud is a shame, they should be ashamed of calling themselves an alternative to Office365 / Teams / OneDrive. They’re pretty much like Tesla, if they didn’t spend most of their time over-promising + under-delivering people would be surprised with the progress they’ve done instead of going for scrutiny.\n
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    Here is the thing, I would love to have NC working decently but I’ve test almost all of their releases on the past year and the issues are always the same. Here is my main complaints:\n
    \n
    - Syncthing sync is robust, it doesn’t fail and handles tons of files with little resources, NC uses a lot more RAM and once you get to around 1 TB of small files it will stop working randomly;\n
    - NC Webmail UI is poorly designed: compose window is just a small box on the center of the screen, there’s no way to have the markup tools permanently show up;\n
    - NC Webmail UI is broken: if you select a bunch of text and turn it into a bullet list, the bullets won’t even show up on NC, other e-mail clients will see them tho;\n
    - Integration/SSO with IMAP is cumbersome: not well documented, default configuration doesn’t even handle a simple “login with the email email and password as the IMAP account” type of setup that is commonly expected;\n
    - WebUI is slow and fails often: if you open the browser console you’ll find lots of warnings and errors.\n
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    I do have a lot of complaints related to mail but if NC is any kind of useful replacement for MS365 / Google Workplace a decently working webmail is the bare minimum. RoundCube is WAY better than what NC is currently offering.\n
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    I spent weeks researching and trying to tweak things and at the end of the day NC always performs poorly. Most of the issues seem to be related to the poorly implemented WebUI but the desktop app also has issues with large folders. Also tried the docker version, the “all in one” similar results it simply doesn’t cut it.\n
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    With that said, for around 30 users I’m not way better with this setup:\n
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    - Dovecot+Postfix working as mail server / “identity provider” for my users;\n
    - Syncthing to sync desktop machines with the server (not across each other);\n
    - FileBrowser for web access;\n
    - WebDAV access for iOS/Android clients;\n
    - Baikal as CardDAV/CalDAV server;\n
    - RoundCube for a decent webmail experience with a lot of Kolab plugins (Contacts, Calendars, Tasks from CardDAV/CalDAV);\n
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    Both FileBrowser and Baikal were modified to authenticate against the IMAP server and create accounts automatically if the username/password check out. I’m deploying this to the user’s machines via Ansible and/or iOS/macOS profiles so most things are automated by now. To onboard a new user I simply have to create the email account and then run the playbooks.\n
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    - Integrate converse.js or Jitsi (jabber web client) into the RoundCube webmail (simply add a tab with an iframe + pass the webmail auth);\n
    - Explore a better multi-user Syncthing setup - possible create a small app that uses the Syncthing tech but does authentication against IMAP as well. Custom backend to automatically manage the creation of user folders and managed shares;\n
    - Microsoft Exchange / ActiveSync: while it might be possible most of my users are either on macOS or they don’t care about Outlook / use Thunderbird or the Webmail.\n
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    Although this setup still misses some important stuff (aka replace Zoom) and I’ve been working on it for a while it outperforms NC in all ways so far. The investment was totally worth it.\n
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    I really hoped that NC would do all those things properly and I still try new releases but it doesn’t seem to get any better.
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      I solved this problem for myself yesterday and couldn’t find the answer anywhere online (clearly stated), so here’s what I did.\n
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