GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@e0qdk@kbin.social/top/2023-11-11::2023-11-11

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.163
Profiled on
Token
d5f974

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
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  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
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Listeners

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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
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  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
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  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
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}
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2028 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2055 …}
  +slug: "If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you"
  +title: "If you can create a Lemmy instance and federate, you can shovel data about every vote linked to an account"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
    \n
    And some admin showed they can see how the upvotes\downvotes go.\n
    \n
    If you are concerned about privacy, you should know, that this data on Lemmy can be easily mined and tracked.
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 35
  +favouriteCount: 81
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1699998688 {#2457
    date: 2023-11-14 22:51:28.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2050 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2045 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2073 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2118 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2126 …}
  +children: [
    3 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1675
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1578 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1578 …}
      +body: """
        Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
        \n
        That may not be complete or consistent though given the way federation works.\n
        \n
        Downvotes from lemmy do not show up. (Not sure why not; haven't dug into it.) Only downvotes from kbin members are shown on kbin. Also unclear to me if downvotes between different kbin/mbin instances show up or if it's the local instance only. (I've only noticed local downvotes, but haven't really been looking.)
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 3
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699686967 {#1610
        date: 2023-11-11 08:16:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works"
        "@otter@lemmy.ca"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1582 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1593 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1592 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1552 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1565 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
      -id: 110298
      -bodyTs: "'/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/if-you-can-create-a-lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites':29 'also':68 'anyon':1 'comment':17 'complet':34 'consist':36 'differ':75 'downvot':43,60,73,93 'dug':56 'exampl':12 'feder':7,41 'given':38 'haven':54,95 'instanc':77,86 'kbin':10,62,67 'kbin.social':28 'kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/if-you-can-create-a-lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites':27 'kbin/mbin':76 'lemmi':45 'local':85,92 'look':99 'may':31 'member':63 'notic':91 'realli':97 'repli':21 'see':3 'seen':25 'show':48,78 'shown':65 'sure':51 'though':37 'unclear':69 'upvot':5,14 'user':8 've':89 'via':9 'way':40 'work':42"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/-/comment/3493134"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699686967 {#1615
        date: 2023-11-11 08:16:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 110298
    }
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1701
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1619 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1578 …}
      +body: """
        Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
        \n
        Probably we'll end up developing a culture of either lots of alts used simultaneously, short lived accounts with regular name changes, or both as people become more aware of this. Either that or people will just say "Fuck it. You *really* want to see all the weird porn I like and my political preferences and what not? Don't blame me if you regret looking!" :p
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 4
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699688678 {#1527
        date: 2023-11-11 08:44:38.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works"
        "@otter@lemmy.ca"
        "@e0qdk@kbin.social"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1613 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1683 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1680 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1686 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1692 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1705 …}
      -id: 110354
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      +ranking: 0
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      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/-/comment/3493416"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699688678 {#1702
        date: 2023-11-11 08:44:38.0 +01:00
      }
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    }
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      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1630 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1578 …}
      +body: "Harassment, mostly."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 2
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699697294 {#1616
        date: 2023-11-11 11:08:14.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works"
        "@otter@lemmy.ca"
        "@e0qdk@kbin.social"
        "@aniki@lemm.ee"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1629 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1626 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1618 …}
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      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1731 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1723 …}
      -id: 110621
      -bodyTs: "'harass':1 'most':2"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
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      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/-/comment/3494781"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699697294 {#1611
        date: 2023-11-11 11:08:14.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 110621
    }
    0 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1728
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1736 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1578 …}
      +body: """
        A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
        \n
        Hell, consider all the drama around "YOU DOWNVOTED ME!!" / "No I didn't!" BS that was so common even when it was just *suspected* -- now it can be *confirmed* (again, for better or worse), for kbin users. I was on reddit for a long time and just thinking about that crap makes me feel tired... -.- Downvoting on kbin is potentially *picking a fight* every time. The end result is that I've basically never downvoted anything except some spam bots. I don't need that shit in my life again -- even for some of the posts that I think *really* should be downvoted, I'm just ignoring now. (Not getting into it further. Don't ask. I won't respond.)\n
        \n
        If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
        \n
        I really don't need more drama in my life, so I'm a bit more mindful of how I'm voting (for better or worse) and some stuff I probably would've voted on before, I am just leaving alone now.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1699703055 {#1721
        date: 2023-11-11 12:44:15.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
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        "@otter@lemmy.ca"
        "@e0qdk@kbin.social"
        "@aniki@lemm.ee"
      ]
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      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1724 …}
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      +ranking: 0
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  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699672406 {#1665
    date: 2023-11-11 04:13:26.0 +01:00
  }
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}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2055 …}
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  +title: "If you can create a Lemmy instance and federate, you can shovel data about every vote linked to an account"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
    \n
    And some admin showed they can see how the upvotes\downvotes go.\n
    \n
    If you are concerned about privacy, you should know, that this data on Lemmy can be easily mined and tracked.
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
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  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 35
  +favouriteCount: 81
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    date: 2023-11-14 22:51:28.0 +01:00
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  +mentions: null
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  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2073 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2118 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2126 …}
  +children: [
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      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1560 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1548 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1578 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1578 …}
      +body: """
        Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
        \n
        That may not be complete or consistent though given the way federation works.\n
        \n
        Downvotes from lemmy do not show up. (Not sure why not; haven't dug into it.) Only downvotes from kbin members are shown on kbin. Also unclear to me if downvotes between different kbin/mbin instances show up or if it's the local instance only. (I've only noticed local downvotes, but haven't really been looking.)
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 3
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        Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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        A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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        If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
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        I really don't need more drama in my life, so I'm a bit more mindful of how I'm voting (for better or worse) and some stuff I probably would've voted on before, I am just leaving alone now.
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    I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
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    And some admin showed they can see how the upvotes\downvotes go.\n
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    If you are concerned about privacy, you should know, that this data on Lemmy can be easily mined and tracked.
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        Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
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        Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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        A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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          Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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    Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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    Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
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          Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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    Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
    \n
    That may not be complete or consistent though given the way federation works.\n
    \n
    Downvotes from lemmy do not show up. (Not sure why not; haven't dug into it.) Only downvotes from kbin members are shown on kbin. Also unclear to me if downvotes between different kbin/mbin instances show up or if it's the local instance only. (I've only noticed local downvotes, but haven't really been looking.)
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      I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
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          Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
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        +body: "Harassment, mostly."
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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          Hell, consider all the drama around "YOU DOWNVOTED ME!!" / "No I didn't!" BS that was so common even when it was just *suspected* -- now it can be *confirmed* (again, for better or worse), for kbin users. I was on reddit for a long time and just thinking about that crap makes me feel tired... -.- Downvoting on kbin is potentially *picking a fight* every time. The end result is that I've basically never downvoted anything except some spam bots. I don't need that shit in my life again -- even for some of the posts that I think *really* should be downvoted, I'm just ignoring now. (Not getting into it further. Don't ask. I won't respond.)\n
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          If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
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          I really don't need more drama in my life, so I'm a bit more mindful of how I'm voting (for better or worse) and some stuff I probably would've voted on before, I am just leaving alone now.
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    Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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    Probably we'll end up developing a culture of either lots of alts used simultaneously, short lived accounts with regular name changes, or both as people become more aware of this. Either that or people will just say "Fuck it. You *really* want to see all the weird porn I like and my political preferences and what not? Don't blame me if you regret looking!" :p
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      I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
      \n
      And some admin showed they can see how the upvotes\downvotes go.\n
      \n
      If you are concerned about privacy, you should know, that this data on Lemmy can be easily mined and tracked.
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          Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
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        +body: "Harassment, mostly."
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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          Hell, consider all the drama around "YOU DOWNVOTED ME!!" / "No I didn't!" BS that was so common even when it was just *suspected* -- now it can be *confirmed* (again, for better or worse), for kbin users. I was on reddit for a long time and just thinking about that crap makes me feel tired... -.- Downvoting on kbin is potentially *picking a fight* every time. The end result is that I've basically never downvoted anything except some spam bots. I don't need that shit in my life again -- even for some of the posts that I think *really* should be downvoted, I'm just ignoring now. (Not getting into it further. Don't ask. I won't respond.)\n
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          If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
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          I really don't need more drama in my life, so I'm a bit more mindful of how I'm voting (for better or worse) and some stuff I probably would've voted on before, I am just leaving alone now.
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    Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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    Probably we'll end up developing a culture of either lots of alts used simultaneously, short lived accounts with regular name changes, or both as people become more aware of this. Either that or people will just say "Fuck it. You *really* want to see all the weird porn I like and my political preferences and what not? Don't blame me if you regret looking!" :p
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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          If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
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    Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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      I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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          Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
          \n
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          A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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          If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
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          I really don't need more drama in my life, so I'm a bit more mindful of how I'm voting (for better or worse) and some stuff I probably would've voted on before, I am just leaving alone now.
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      I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
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      If you are concerned about privacy, you should know, that this data on Lemmy can be easily mined and tracked.
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          Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
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          Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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    A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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    Hell, consider all the drama around "YOU DOWNVOTED ME!!" / "No I didn't!" BS that was so common even when it was just *suspected* -- now it can be *confirmed* (again, for better or worse), for kbin users. I was on reddit for a long time and just thinking about that crap makes me feel tired... -.- Downvoting on kbin is potentially *picking a fight* every time. The end result is that I've basically never downvoted anything except some spam bots. I don't need that shit in my life again -- even for some of the posts that I think *really* should be downvoted, I'm just ignoring now. (Not getting into it further. Don't ask. I won't respond.)\n
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    If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
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    I really don't need more drama in my life, so I'm a bit more mindful of how I'm voting (for better or worse) and some stuff I probably would've voted on before, I am just leaving alone now.
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      I’ve created this post: [sh.itjust.works/post/8898162](https://sh.itjust.works/post/8898162)\n
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          Anyone can see any upvote from federated users via kbin -- for example, the upvotes on the comment this is a reply to can be seen here: <https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/616970/If-you-can-create-a-Lemmy-instance-and-federate-you/comment/3491191/favourites>\n
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          Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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    A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
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          Yeah, I had a mixed reaction to finding that out a while ago, but I'm kind of just rolling with it for now. Votes are just simply NOT private on here, for better or worse. My feeling right now is that it's sort of positive from a community feel perspective, but I'm also avoiding interacting with a lot of subjects *I* consider more controversial.\n
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          Probably we'll end up developing a culture of either lots of alts used simultaneously, short lived accounts with regular name changes, or both as people become more aware of this. Either that or people will just say "Fuck it. You *really* want to see all the weird porn I like and my political preferences and what not? Don't blame me if you regret looking!" :p
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        +body: "Harassment, mostly."
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  +body: """
    A vote on kbin/lemmy is closer to a retweet than to a vote on reddit in terms of its potential impact on folks. You are *publicly* saying you support/do not support a post by voting on it (which might be taken as publicly thanking someone with an upvote or publicly saying fuck you with a downvote in some contexts); that *can* be a workable system, but it's *surprising* if you're coming from reddit where basically no one but the admins (and whoever they told/sold the data to) actually knows what you voted up/down.\n
    \n
    Hell, consider all the drama around "YOU DOWNVOTED ME!!" / "No I didn't!" BS that was so common even when it was just *suspected* -- now it can be *confirmed* (again, for better or worse), for kbin users. I was on reddit for a long time and just thinking about that crap makes me feel tired... -.- Downvoting on kbin is potentially *picking a fight* every time. The end result is that I've basically never downvoted anything except some spam bots. I don't need that shit in my life again -- even for some of the posts that I think *really* should be downvoted, I'm just ignoring now. (Not getting into it further. Don't ask. I won't respond.)\n
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    If your IRL identity is associated with your account (or can be figured out eventually...), upvoting something *really* spicy could also end up causing you the same kind of drama IRL as retweeting or commenting strongly on the post -- e.g. job loss, loss of business, targeted harassment/violence campaigns, loss of friends/romantic partners, etc...\n
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    I really don't need more drama in my life, so I'm a bit more mindful of how I'm voting (for better or worse) and some stuff I probably would've voted on before, I am just leaving alone now.
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