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            "content": "<p>And which will be so resource intensive to encode with compared to existing standards that it\u2019ll probably take 14 years before home media collectors (or yar har types) are able and willing to use it over HEVC and AV1. :\\<\/p>\n<p>As an example AV1 encodes to this day are extremely rare in the p2p scene. Most groups still work with h264 or h265 even those focusing specifically on reducing sizes while maintaining quality. By contrast HEVC had significant uptake within 3-4 years of its release in the p2p scene (we\u2019re on year 7 for AV1).<\/p>\n<p>I mean here\u2019s an example of the headwinds it faces from the wikipedia article on AV1:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>In December 2021, YouTube and Roku agreed to a multiyear deal to keep both the YouTube TV app and the YouTube app on the Roku streaming platform. <strong>Roku had argued that using processors in their streaming devices that support the royalty-free AV1 codec would increase costs to consumers.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>These greedy, race to the bottom device-makers are still fighting AV1. You\u2019re going to have that same kind of fight from cheap companies like Roku, smart-TVs, manyAndroid streaming device makers, etc to AV2 as they\u2019re still fighting AV1 implementation over costs which will mean streaming services themselves will be in no rush to deploy which will mean device makers feel very little pressure as a result anytime soon and will lean on older codec support remaining (sure in 22 years it\u2019ll probably hurt your sales if your streaming box doesn\u2019t support AV2 but in 12 years it probably won\u2019t). That together with people keeping devices longer and not upgrading as much as well as tons of people relying on under-powered smart-TVs for watching (forcing streaming services to maintain older codecs like h264\/h265 to keep those customers) means it\u2019s going to take a depressingly long time to be anything but a web streaming phenomenon I fear.<\/p>\n",
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