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Security

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      \n
      Read more about [how to comment at Daystrom](https://startrek.website/post/175954).\n
      \n
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      \n
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      \n
      **2. No whinging, jokes, memes, and other shallow content.**\n
      \n
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      #### **Episode Guides**\n
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      The /r/DaystromInstitute wiki held a number of popular Star Trek watch guides. We have rehosted them here:\n
      \n
      - [Kraetos’ guide to Star Trek (the original series)](https://startrek.website/post/760)\n
      - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Animated Series](https://startrek.website/post/765)\n
      - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Next Generation](https://startrek.website/post/768)\n
      - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/776)\n
      - [Darth_Rasputin32898’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/772)\n
      - [OpticalData’s guide to Star Trek: Voyager](https://startrek.website/post/780)\n
      - [petrus4’s guide to Star Trek: Voyager](https://startrek.website/post/781)
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    So, I just got my copy of the Lower Deck’s Handbook (it’s AMAZING) but one of the sections of the handbook goes into the legacy of the ships to carry the name Cerritos. (Think along the terms of the ships to carry the name Stargazer) and one in particular caught my eye…\n
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      Serious, in-depth discussion about *Star Trek* from both in-universe and real world perspectives.\n
      \n
      Read more about [how to comment at Daystrom](https://startrek.website/post/175954).\n
      \n
      ##### **Rules**\n
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      **1. Explain your reasoning**\n
      \n
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      \n
      **2. No whinging, jokes, memes, and other shallow content.**\n
      \n
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      \n
      **3. Be diplomatic.**\n
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      **5. Tag spoilers.**\n
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      **6. Stay on-topic.**\n
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      \n
      #### **Episode Guides**\n
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      The /r/DaystromInstitute wiki held a number of popular Star Trek watch guides. We have rehosted them here:\n
      \n
      - [Kraetos’ guide to Star Trek (the original series)](https://startrek.website/post/760)\n
      - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Animated Series](https://startrek.website/post/765)\n
      - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Next Generation](https://startrek.website/post/768)\n
      - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/776)\n
      - [Darth_Rasputin32898’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/772)\n
      - [OpticalData’s guide to Star Trek: Voyager](https://startrek.website/post/780)\n
      - [petrus4’s guide to Star Trek: Voyager](https://startrek.website/post/781)
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    So, I just got my copy of the Lower Deck’s Handbook (it’s AMAZING) but one of the sections of the handbook goes into the legacy of the ships to carry the name Cerritos. (Think along the terms of the ships to carry the name Stargazer) and one in particular caught my eye…\n
    \n
    A Leif Ericson class USS Cerritos was answering a distress call from Earth (in a manner not dissimilar to the Enterprise-E in First Contact), but before the Cerritos could reach Earth a Klingon Bird of Prey manned by Captain Kirk beat them to it.\n
    \n
    But an unforeseen consequence of Kirk’s time hopping erased the Leif Ericson class from reality.\n
    \n
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    It was a short blurb, but I actually felt chills. I’m reminded of the scene where Spock expresses uncertainty on how to accurately bring them back to the present, and Bones tells Spock to just go with his gut or something along those terms.\n
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    With the implied context that a miscalculation on Spock’s part led to the erasure of the Leif Ericson class and presumably all hands, do you think Spock made the right call, given what he knew at the time?
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      Serious, in-depth discussion about *Star Trek* from both in-universe and real world perspectives.\n
      \n
      Read more about [how to comment at Daystrom](https://startrek.website/post/175954).\n
      \n
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        - [Darth_Rasputin32898’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/772)\n
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        - [Darth_Rasputin32898’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/772)\n
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        The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.\n
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      I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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      So, I just got my copy of the Lower Deck’s Handbook (it’s AMAZING) but one of the sections of the handbook goes into the legacy of the ships to carry the name Cerritos. (Think along the terms of the ships to carry the name Stargazer) and one in particular caught my eye…\n
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        The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.\n
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      I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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        I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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      Well that’s the thing - something can’t **really** “disappear from existence,” unless we’re talking about something that **did** exist and was destroyed.\n
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    > But if it never existed at all…well, there’s literally nothing lost.\n
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          The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.\n
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        I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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      Well that’s the thing - something can’t **really** “disappear from existence,” unless we’re talking about something that **did** exist and was destroyed.\n
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          The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.\n
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        I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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      Well that’s the thing - something can’t **really** “disappear from existence,” unless we’re talking about something that **did** exist and was destroyed.\n
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        - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Animated Series](https://startrek.website/post/765)\n
        - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Next Generation](https://startrek.website/post/768)\n
        - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/776)\n
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        - [OpticalData’s guide to Star Trek: Voyager](https://startrek.website/post/780)\n
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            The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.\n
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          I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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        Well that’s the thing - something can’t **really** “disappear from existence,” unless we’re talking about something that **did** exist and was destroyed.\n
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      > But if it never existed at all…well, there’s literally nothing lost.\n
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        Serious, in-depth discussion about *Star Trek* from both in-universe and real world perspectives.\n
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        Read more about [how to comment at Daystrom](https://startrek.website/post/175954).\n
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        - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Animated Series](https://startrek.website/post/765)\n
        - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: The Next Generation](https://startrek.website/post/768)\n
        - [Algernon_Asimov’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/776)\n
        - [Darth_Rasputin32898’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/772)\n
        - [OpticalData’s guide to Star Trek: Voyager](https://startrek.website/post/780)\n
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            The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.\n
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          I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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        Well that’s the thing - something can’t **really** “disappear from existence,” unless we’re talking about something that **did** exist and was destroyed.\n
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      > But if it never existed at all…well, there’s literally nothing lost.\n
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            The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.\n
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          I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.\n
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      > But if it never existed at all…well, there’s literally nothing lost.\n
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    - [Darth_Rasputin32898’s guide to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine](https://startrek.website/post/772)\n
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