Redirect 302 redirect from GET @entry_comment_create (ec2c87)

GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/m/opensource@lemmy.ml/comments/oldest?p=19

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
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  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
35.55 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.05 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
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    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
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  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
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      All about open source! Feel free to ask questions, and share news, and interesting stuff!\n
      \n
      Useful Links\n
      ============\n
      \n
      - [Open Source Initiative](https://opensource.org/)\n
      - [Free Software Foundation](https://www.fsf.org/)\n
      - [Electronic Frontier Foundation](https://www.eff.org/)\n
      - [Software Freedom Conservancy](https://sfconservancy.org/)\n
      - [It’s FOSS](https://itsfoss.com/)\n
      \n
      Rules\n
      =====\n
      \n
      - Posts must be relevant to the open source ideology\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      Related Communities\n
      ===================\n
      \n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!libre_software@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_software)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      - [!linux@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/linux)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      \n
      Community icon from opensource.org, but we are not affiliated with them.
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  +parent: null
  +root: null
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  +isAdult: false
  +favouriteCount: 7
  +score: 0
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  +tags: null
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  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1485 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1631 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1416 …}
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}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
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      All about open source! Feel free to ask questions, and share news, and interesting stuff!\n
      \n
      Useful Links\n
      ============\n
      \n
      - [Open Source Initiative](https://opensource.org/)\n
      - [Free Software Foundation](https://www.fsf.org/)\n
      - [Electronic Frontier Foundation](https://www.eff.org/)\n
      - [Software Freedom Conservancy](https://sfconservancy.org/)\n
      - [It’s FOSS](https://itsfoss.com/)\n
      \n
      Rules\n
      =====\n
      \n
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      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      Related Communities\n
      ===================\n
      \n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!libre_software@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_software)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      - [!linux@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/linux)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      \n
      Community icon from opensource.org, but we are not affiliated with them.
      """
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\EntryComment {#1785
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      All about open source! Feel free to ask questions, and share news, and interesting stuff!\n
      \n
      Useful Links\n
      ============\n
      \n
      - [Open Source Initiative](https://opensource.org/)\n
      - [Free Software Foundation](https://www.fsf.org/)\n
      - [Electronic Frontier Foundation](https://www.eff.org/)\n
      - [Software Freedom Conservancy](https://sfconservancy.org/)\n
      - [It’s FOSS](https://itsfoss.com/)\n
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      \n
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      ===================\n
      \n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!libre_software@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_software)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      - [!linux@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/linux)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      \n
      Community icon from opensource.org, but we are not affiliated with them.
      """
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate
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      \n
      Useful Links\n
      ============\n
      \n
      - [Open Source Initiative](https://opensource.org/)\n
      - [Free Software Foundation](https://www.fsf.org/)\n
      - [Electronic Frontier Foundation](https://www.eff.org/)\n
      - [Software Freedom Conservancy](https://sfconservancy.org/)\n
      - [It’s FOSS](https://itsfoss.com/)\n
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      \n
      Related Communities\n
      ===================\n
      \n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!libre_software@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_software)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      - [!linux@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/linux)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      \n
      Community icon from opensource.org, but we are not affiliated with them.
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    EDIT: sorry, I read it wrong, I thought the reply says the addon **“doesn’t”** use the remote API.\n
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    But the addon only sends the minimum amount of data to achieve functionality, so definitely not as much data as using Haire’s app.\n
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    Can you link to where the documentation that specify they don’t use API?\n
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      EDIT: sorry, I read it wrong, I thought the reply says the addon **“doesn’t”** use the remote API.\n
      \n
      I digged a bit on the code, and every command indeed go through the cloud. So even if you use this addon, Haire can still collect a fair bit of data about you, since there is no way to communicate locally and directly to the AC.\n
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      But the addon only sends the minimum amount of data to achieve functionality, so definitely not as much data as using Haire’s app.\n
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      \n
      Can you link to where the documentation that specify they don’t use API?\n
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      Because I am looking at pyhOn (dependency of hon, and also being taken down), it seems like when executing a command, they do contact the cloud. Specefically\n
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      +body: "Based on the documentation on the GitHub, it looks like it does use Haier’s cloud. Which, doesn’t make Haier’s actions any less shitty, but I can understand a company not wanting a bunch of users using their undocumented API, especially if there’s potential to have automations hitting it more frequently than their own app does (not that I have any reason to believe this project was actually being inefficient with API calls)."
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      EDIT: sorry, I read it wrong, I thought the reply says the addon **“doesn’t”** use the remote API.\n
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      I digged a bit on the code, and every command indeed go through the cloud. So even if you use this addon, Haire can still collect a fair bit of data about you, since there is no way to communicate locally and directly to the AC.\n
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      But the addon only sends the minimum amount of data to achieve functionality, so definitely not as much data as using Haire’s app.\n
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      Can you link to where the documentation that specify they don’t use API?\n
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      Because I am looking at pyhOn (dependency of hon, and also being taken down), it seems like when executing a command, they do contact the cloud. Specefically\n
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    Yeah, so I can kinda understand Haier’s position here though they probably could have just set/quoted some ToC’s on using their cloud services.\n
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      EDIT: sorry, I read it wrong, I thought the reply says the addon **“doesn’t”** use the remote API.\n
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      Can you link to where the documentation that specify they don’t use API?\n
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    Yeah, so I can kinda understand Haier’s position here though they probably could have just set/quoted some ToC’s on using their cloud services.\n
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    It also means that IMO the plugins weren’t offering much other than integration, and this probably would have been a product I’d have avoided even before they started acting like dicks.\n
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    I was more thinking about things like governments that decide that every implementation of something must be certified to be used, e.g. with wireless technologies. Not so much implementation as specification or legal compliance barriers to open source basically.\n
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            It’s probably a good idea to have a stronger definition and mission. Here are a few scenarios you should consider.\n
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            I like your idea a lot. I think it needs some definition to be very successful!
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    I was more thinking about things like governments that decide that every implementation of something must be certified to be used, e.g. with wireless technologies. Not so much implementation as specification or legal compliance barriers to open source basically.\n
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    You raise a good point though, financial barriers such as per user pricing that are hard to implement for software distributed for free would be quite similar.
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    I was more thinking about things like governments that decide that every implementation of something must be certified to be used, e.g. with wireless technologies. Not so much implementation as specification or legal compliance barriers to open source basically.\n
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