GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/m/linux@lemmy.ml/t/12900/Yes-Ubuntu-Is-Withholding-Security-Patches-for-Some-Software/oldest

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.97
Profiled on
Token
e749cd

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
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Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
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  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
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  -registered: false
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  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 135.44 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
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 0.06 ms (none) 
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
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  -options: [
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  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
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      ### Related Communities\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      ### Related Communities\n
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      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
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      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
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    Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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        There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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      Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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      Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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    > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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    Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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      Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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    > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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    Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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        There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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      Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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      Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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    > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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    Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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    In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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    I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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            Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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            Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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          There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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      > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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      > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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      > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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        > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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        I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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    Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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    Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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              Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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              Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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            There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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            Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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          Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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        > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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    Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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    Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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              Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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              Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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            There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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            Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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            Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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          Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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        > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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    Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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    Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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            Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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          > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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      Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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      Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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              There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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            Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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          > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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      Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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      Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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              There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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              Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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            Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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          > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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          In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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          I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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      Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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      Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                  Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                  Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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              Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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              Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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            > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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            In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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            I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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        Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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        Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                  Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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              Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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              Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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            > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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            In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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            I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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        Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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        Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                  Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                  Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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              Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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              Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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            > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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            In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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            I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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        Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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        Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                    Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                    Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                  There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                  Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                  Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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                Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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              > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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              Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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              In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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              I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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          Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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          Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                    Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                    Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                  There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                  Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                  Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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                Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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              > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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              Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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              In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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              I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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          Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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          Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                    Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                    Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                  There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                  Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                  Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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                Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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              > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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              Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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              In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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              I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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          Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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          Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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                      Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                      Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                    There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                    Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                    Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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                  Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                  Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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                > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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                In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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                I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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            Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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            Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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    No. All the official packages in the `main` repo get security updates from the Debian security team.\n
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    Only the packages in `contrib`, `non-free` and `non-free-firmware` don’t have official security updates and rely on the package maintainers. These are not considered part of the Debian distro, and I don’t even have them enabled on my servers.\n
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    Out-of-the-box, Debian only enables the `main` repo, plus the `non-free-firmware` one if any of your devices require it (e.g. Nvidia graphics, Realtek Bluetooth, etc). You have to manually enable `contrib` and `non-free`, and by doing that, it’s assumed you know what you’re doing.\n
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    In the case of `non-free` and `non-free-firmware`, they can be closed source software (like the Nvidia drivers) or have a non-open-source license that doesn’t allow distributing modified versions. In those cases, the Debian team is unable to patch them even if they wanted to.
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                      Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                      Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                    There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                    Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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                    Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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                  Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                  Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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                > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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                In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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                I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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            Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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            Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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    No. All the official packages in the `main` repo get security updates from the Debian security team.\n
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    Only the packages in `contrib`, `non-free` and `non-free-firmware` don’t have official security updates and rely on the package maintainers. These are not considered part of the Debian distro, and I don’t even have them enabled on my servers.\n
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    In the case of `non-free` and `non-free-firmware`, they can be closed source software (like the Nvidia drivers) or have a non-open-source license that doesn’t allow distributing modified versions. In those cases, the Debian team is unable to patch them even if they wanted to.
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                      Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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                      Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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                    There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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                    Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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                  Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                  Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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                > security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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                Debian `contrib` doesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntu `universe`. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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                In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for `universe` whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.\n
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                I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
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            Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.\n
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            Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
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    No. All the official packages in the `main` repo get security updates from the Debian security team.\n
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    Only the packages in `contrib`, `non-free` and `non-free-firmware` don’t have official security updates and rely on the package maintainers. These are not considered part of the Debian distro, and I don’t even have them enabled on my servers.\n
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        There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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          Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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      Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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      Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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      Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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            Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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              Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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              Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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          Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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              Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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          Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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      Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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    This has always been the case with Ubuntu. Ubuntu only ever supported its `main` repository with security updates. Now they offer (paid) support for the `universe` repository in addition, which is a bonus for Ubuntu users, as they now have a greater selection of packages with security updates.\n
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    Personally I have my doubts if Debian actually manages to reliably backport security updates for all its packages. Afterall Eclipse was stuck on version 3.8 for multiple Debian releases due to lack of a maintainer …
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          Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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        There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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      Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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          There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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          Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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      This has always been the case with Ubuntu. Ubuntu only ever supported its `main` repository with security updates. Now they offer (paid) support for the `universe` repository in addition, which is a bonus for Ubuntu users, as they now have a greater selection of packages with security updates.\n
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      If you don’t opt-in to use Ubuntu Pro, nothing changes and Ubuntu will be as secure (or insecure) as it has always been. If you disable `universe` and `multiverse` you have a Ubuntu system where all packages receive guaranteed security updates for free.\n
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      Debian has always been the better choice if you required security updates for the complete package repository.\n
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      Personally I have my doubts if Debian actually manages to reliably backport security updates for all its packages. Afterall Eclipse was stuck on version 3.8 for multiple Debian releases due to lack of a maintainer …
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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      This has always been the case with Ubuntu. Ubuntu only ever supported its `main` repository with security updates. Now they offer (paid) support for the `universe` repository in addition, which is a bonus for Ubuntu users, as they now have a greater selection of packages with security updates.\n
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      Debian has always been the better choice if you required security updates for the complete package repository.\n
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    Thank you for the information.\n
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    I’ll still be going with Debian because Ubuntu keeps telling me I have 2 security updates locked behind their paywall.
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            Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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            Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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            Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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          There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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      This has always been the case with Ubuntu. Ubuntu only ever supported its `main` repository with security updates. Now they offer (paid) support for the `universe` repository in addition, which is a bonus for Ubuntu users, as they now have a greater selection of packages with security updates.\n
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            Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.\n
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          There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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          Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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      This has always been the case with Ubuntu. Ubuntu only ever supported its `main` repository with security updates. Now they offer (paid) support for the `universe` repository in addition, which is a bonus for Ubuntu users, as they now have a greater selection of packages with security updates.\n
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      Debian has always been the better choice if you required security updates for the complete package repository.\n
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      Personally I have my doubts if Debian actually manages to reliably backport security updates for all its packages. Afterall Eclipse was stuck on version 3.8 for multiple Debian releases due to lack of a maintainer …
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          There are plenty of reasons to get rid of Ubuntu, but this isn’t one of them.\n
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          Before Ubuntu Pro, packages in `universe` (and `multiverse`) were not receiving (security) updates at all, unless someone from the community stepped up and maintained the package. Now Canonical provides security updates for `universe`, for the first time since Ubuntu has been introduced, via Ubuntu Pro, which is free for up to five personal devices and paid for all other use cases.\n
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          Debian is actually not that different (anymore). If you read the release notes of Debian 12, you’ll notice that quite a few package groups [are excluded from guaranteed security updates](https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support), just like packages in `universe` are in Ubuntu. Unlike Ubuntu, Debian doesn’t split its package repository by security support though.
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        Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.\n
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        Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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      This has always been the case with Ubuntu. Ubuntu only ever supported its `main` repository with security updates. Now they offer (paid) support for the `universe` repository in addition, which is a bonus for Ubuntu users, as they now have a greater selection of packages with security updates.\n
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      If you don’t opt-in to use Ubuntu Pro, nothing changes and Ubuntu will be as secure (or insecure) as it has always been. If you disable `universe` and `multiverse` you have a Ubuntu system where all packages receive guaranteed security updates for free.\n
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      Debian has always been the better choice if you required security updates for the complete package repository.\n
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      Personally I have my doubts if Debian actually manages to reliably backport security updates for all its packages. Afterall Eclipse was stuck on version 3.8 for multiple Debian releases due to lack of a maintainer …
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    Ubuntu and Debian are essentially the same here.\n
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        TLDR: Ubuntu Pro offers additional security patches to packages found in the universe repo. Universe is community maintained so Ubuntu is essentially stepping in to provide critical CVE patches to some popular software in this repo that the community has not addressed.\n
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      How does this compare to other distros?\n
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    Ubuntu and Debian are essentially the same here.\n
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    Debian’s `contrib` repo, which is the equivalent of Ubuntu’s `universe` repo, doesn’t get security updates from the Debian security team, as it’s not considered an official part of Debian. Package maintianers have to provide security updates. [www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib](https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib)\n
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      How does this compare to other distros?\n
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      How does this compare to other distros?\n
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