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Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name

Security enabled

Stateless

Configuration

Key	Value
provider	security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context	main
entry_point	App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker	App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler	(none)
access_denied_url	(none)
authenticators	[`"two_factor" "remember_me" "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator" "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator" "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator" "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator" "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"`]

Listeners

Listener	Duration	Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723`-map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …} -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -httpPort: 80 -httpsPort: 443`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …} -sessionKey: "_security_main" -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …} -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …} -registered: false -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …} -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}}	43.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584`-authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582`-twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …} -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}`}	0.07 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …} -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -options: [ "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token" "csrf_token_id" => "logout" "logout_path" => "app_logout" ] -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …} -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …} -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy


"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

#	Voter class
1	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2	"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5	"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6	"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7	"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8	"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9	"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10	"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11	"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12	"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13	"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14	"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log


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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
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      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
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      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
      """
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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    You have to renew your driver’s license every 10 years. That means in the worst case scenario, the image they’re using of you could be 10 years out of date.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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    I suspect these powers are being used for something else more sinister. Immigration, for example, to clamp down on people who have licenses and are delivery drivers, or taxi drivers for example.
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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    I suspect these powers are being used for something else more sinister. Immigration, for example, to clamp down on people who have licenses and are delivery drivers, or taxi drivers for example.
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      You have to renew your driver’s license every 10 years. That means in the worst case scenario, the image they’re using of you could be 10 years out of date.\n
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    It’s not the kind of search where they need to be very precise; certainly not pinpoint accuracy. t’s just another tool to narrow their searches that rely on other details.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    +body: "It’s been published by multiple sources at this point that this happens because of detected proximity. Basically, they know who you hang out with based on where your phones are, and they know the entire search history of everyone you interact with. Based on this, they can build models to detect how likely you are to be interested in something your friend has looked at before."
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    Yup. For companies it’s much safer to connect the dots with the giant amount of available metadata in the background than risk facing a huge backlash when people analyze what data you’re actively collecting.\n
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    Which is why people need to call out the tracking that’s *actually* happening in the real world a lot more, because I don’t really want my search-history leaked by proxy to people in my proximity either.
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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    On mobile, can’t find the recent one based on conversation that was floating around lemmy recently.\n
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    On mobile, can’t find the recent one based on conversation that was floating around lemmy recently.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
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          Companies DO analyze what you say to smart speakers, but only after you have said "ok google, siri, alexa, etc." (or if they mistake something like "ok to go" as "ok google"). I am not aware of a single reputable source claiming smart speakers are always listening.\n
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    On mobile, can’t find the recent one based on conversation that was floating around lemmy recently.\n
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    This one finds high levels of inconsistent misactivation from TV shows. Some shows caused more than 4 misactivations per hour (a rate of more than 80 per day) […northeastern.edu/…/smart-speakers-study-pets20/](https://moniotrlab.khoury.northeastern.edu/publications/smart-speakers-study-pets20/)
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      Companies DO analyze what you say to smart speakers, but only after you have said "ok google, siri, alexa, etc." (or if they mistake something like "ok to go" as "ok google"). I am not aware of a single reputable source claiming smart speakers are always listening.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    The way that “Hey Alexa” or “Hey Google” works is by, like you said, constantly analysing the sounds they said. However, this is only analyzed locally for the specific phrase, and is stored in a circular buffer of a few seconds so it can keep your whole request in memory. If the phrase is not detected, the buffer is constantly overwritten, and nothing is sent to the server. If the phrase is detected, then the whole request is sent to the server where more advanced voice recognition can be done.\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      \n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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      It’s literally impossible for them to not be “analyzing” all the sounds they (perhaps briefly) record.\n
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    The way that “Hey Alexa” or “Hey Google” works is by, like you said, constantly analysing the sounds they said. However, this is only analyzed locally for the specific phrase, and is stored in a circular buffer of a few seconds so it can keep your whole request in memory. If the phrase is not detected, the buffer is constantly overwritten, and nothing is sent to the server. If the phrase is detected, then the whole request is sent to the server where more advanced voice recognition can be done.\n
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        Companies DO analyze what you say to smart speakers, but only after you have said "ok google, siri, alexa, etc." (or if they mistake something like "ok to go" as "ok google"). I am not aware of a single reputable source claiming smart speakers are always listening.\n
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        Your smart speaker isn't constantly listening because it doesn't need to. There are far easier ways to build a more accurate profile on you.
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      It’s literally impossible for them to not be “analyzing” all the sounds they (perhaps briefly) record.\n
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    The way that “Hey Alexa” or “Hey Google” works is by, like you said, constantly analysing the sounds they said. However, this is only analyzed locally for the specific phrase, and is stored in a circular buffer of a few seconds so it can keep your whole request in memory. If the phrase is not detected, the buffer is constantly overwritten, and nothing is sent to the server. If the phrase is detected, then the whole request is sent to the server where more advanced voice recognition can be done.\n
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          Companies DO analyze what you say to smart speakers, but only after you have said "ok google, siri, alexa, etc." (or if they mistake something like "ok to go" as "ok google"). I am not aware of a single reputable source claiming smart speakers are always listening.\n
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        It’s literally impossible for them to not be “analyzing” all the sounds they (perhaps briefly) record.\n
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      The way that “Hey Alexa” or “Hey Google” works is by, like you said, constantly analysing the sounds they said. However, this is only analyzed locally for the specific phrase, and is stored in a circular buffer of a few seconds so it can keep your whole request in memory. If the phrase is not detected, the buffer is constantly overwritten, and nothing is sent to the server. If the phrase is detected, then the whole request is sent to the server where more advanced voice recognition can be done.\n
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    If they were to listen for a set of predefined product-related keywords as well, they could take note of that and send that info inconspicuously to their servers as well without sending any audio recordings. Doesn’t have to be as precise as voice command recognition either, it’s just ad targeting.\n
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    Not saying they do that, but I believe they could.
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          Companies DO analyze what you say to smart speakers, but only after you have said "ok google, siri, alexa, etc." (or if they mistake something like "ok to go" as "ok google"). I am not aware of a single reputable source claiming smart speakers are always listening.\n
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          Your smart speaker isn't constantly listening because it doesn't need to. There are far easier ways to build a more accurate profile on you.
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        It’s literally impossible for them to not be “analyzing” all the sounds they (perhaps briefly) record.\n
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      The way that “Hey Alexa” or “Hey Google” works is by, like you said, constantly analysing the sounds they said. However, this is only analyzed locally for the specific phrase, and is stored in a circular buffer of a few seconds so it can keep your whole request in memory. If the phrase is not detected, the buffer is constantly overwritten, and nothing is sent to the server. If the phrase is detected, then the whole request is sent to the server where more advanced voice recognition can be done.\n
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      You can very easily monitor the traffic from your smart speaker to see if this is true. So far I’ve seen no evidence that this is no longer the common practice, though I’ll admit to not reading the article, so maybe this has changed recently.
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    If they were to listen for a set of predefined product-related keywords as well, they could take note of that and send that info inconspicuously to their servers as well without sending any audio recordings. Doesn’t have to be as precise as voice command recognition either, it’s just ad targeting.\n
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    Not saying they do that, but I believe they could.
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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          Companies DO analyze what you say to smart speakers, but only after you have said "ok google, siri, alexa, etc." (or if they mistake something like "ok to go" as "ok google"). I am not aware of a single reputable source claiming smart speakers are always listening.\n
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          Your smart speaker isn't constantly listening because it doesn't need to. There are far easier ways to build a more accurate profile on you.
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        It’s literally impossible for them to not be “analyzing” all the sounds they (perhaps briefly) record.\n
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        Literally all sounds, literally all the time. And we just trust that they delete them and don’t send them “anonymized” to be used for training the audio recognition algorithms or LLMs.
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      The way that “Hey Alexa” or “Hey Google” works is by, like you said, constantly analysing the sounds they said. However, this is only analyzed locally for the specific phrase, and is stored in a circular buffer of a few seconds so it can keep your whole request in memory. If the phrase is not detected, the buffer is constantly overwritten, and nothing is sent to the server. If the phrase is detected, then the whole request is sent to the server where more advanced voice recognition can be done.\n
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      You can very easily monitor the traffic from your smart speaker to see if this is true. So far I’ve seen no evidence that this is no longer the common practice, though I’ll admit to not reading the article, so maybe this has changed recently.
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    If they were to listen for a set of predefined product-related keywords as well, they could take note of that and send that info inconspicuously to their servers as well without sending any audio recordings. Doesn’t have to be as precise as voice command recognition either, it’s just ad targeting.\n
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    Not saying they do that, but I believe they could.
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
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      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - Be nice :)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    Yeah they’d have to it seems, but real time transcription isn’t free. Even late model devices with better inference hardware have limited battery and energy monitoring. I imagine it’d be hard to conceal that behavior especially for an app recording in the background.\n
    \n
    WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml mentioned that mobile devices use the same hardware coprocessing used for wake word behavior to target specific key phrases. I don’t know anything about that, but it’s one way they could work around the technical limitations.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
      \n
      For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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      To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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    My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
    \n
    A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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      \n
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      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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      I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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    My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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    That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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    How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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    That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      \n
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
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      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
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      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
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      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
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      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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    Yeah outside mobile devices I imagine there’s a lot more leeway technically speaking. I’d be far more inclined to suspect a smart TV or a home assistant appliance like Amazon Echo, for example. And certainly there are plenty of PCs out there that are 100% compromised.\n
    \n
    But it’s the phone that people often think of as eavesdropping on their conversations. The idea is stickier perhaps because it’s a more personal violation. And I wouldn’t put it past data brokers by any means. They would if they could. I’ve just yet to hear a feasible explanation of how they can without being caught. Hence my doubt.
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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          A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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    Yeah outside mobile devices I imagine there’s a lot more leeway technically speaking. I’d be far more inclined to suspect a smart TV or a home assistant appliance like Amazon Echo, for example. And certainly there are plenty of PCs out there that are 100% compromised.\n
    \n
    But it’s the phone that people often think of as eavesdropping on their conversations. The idea is stickier perhaps because it’s a more personal violation. And I wouldn’t put it past data brokers by any means. They would if they could. I’ve just yet to hear a feasible explanation of how they can without being caught. Hence my doubt.
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      \n
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      \n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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          A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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    +body: "Can it be implemented on pc? They often turned on and people speak around them too. Cpu activity much harder to trace when there are a lot of different processes. Someone can blame their phone, while it listening pc near by."
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    Yeah outside mobile devices I imagine there’s a lot more leeway technically speaking. I’d be far more inclined to suspect a smart TV or a home assistant appliance like Amazon Echo, for example. And certainly there are plenty of PCs out there that are 100% compromised.\n
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    But it’s the phone that people often think of as eavesdropping on their conversations. The idea is stickier perhaps because it’s a more personal violation. And I wouldn’t put it past data brokers by any means. They would if they could. I’ve just yet to hear a feasible explanation of how they can without being caught. Hence my doubt.
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
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      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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          I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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      That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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          A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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    That’s possible too, and in general I’d think a foreground application currently in use alleviates most of the technical restrictions mentioned (read: why we never install FB).\n
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    But again we must assume some uncommon device privileges and we still haven’t solved the problem of background energy usage required to record and/or process a real time feed.
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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          A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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    That’s possible too, and in general I’d think a foreground application currently in use alleviates most of the technical restrictions mentioned (read: why we never install FB).\n
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    But again we must assume some uncommon device privileges and we still haven’t solved the problem of background energy usage required to record and/or process a real time feed.
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      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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          A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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    That’s possible too, and in general I’d think a foreground application currently in use alleviates most of the technical restrictions mentioned (read: why we never install FB).\n
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    But again we must assume some uncommon device privileges and we still haven’t solved the problem of background energy usage required to record and/or process a real time feed.
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      ============================================================\n
      \n
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      \n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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          A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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        That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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        How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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        My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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        A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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      That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      How would a background process do this in real time on a mobile device without leaving traceable evidence like cpu time?
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  +body: "Cox also sells home automation bundles which advertise “smart” features like voice recognition which are always plugged into the wall."
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
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      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      That certainly would make the data smuggling easier. What about battery though? I assume that requires inference and at least rudimentary processing.\n
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      ============================================================\n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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    as someone who has played around with offline speech recognition before - there is a reason why ai assistants only use it for the wake word, and the rest is processed in the cloud: it sucks. it’s quite unreliable, you’d have to pronounce things exactly as expected. so you need to “train” it for different accents and ways to pronounce something if you want to capture it properly, so the info they could siphon this way is imho limited to a couple thousand words. which is considerable already, and would allow for proper profiling, but couldn’t capture your interest in something more specific like a mazda 323f.\n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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    as someone who has played around with offline speech recognition before - there is a reason why ai assistants only use it for the wake word, and the rest is processed in the cloud: it sucks. it’s quite unreliable, you’d have to pronounce things exactly as expected. so you need to “train” it for different accents and ways to pronounce something if you want to capture it properly, so the info they could siphon this way is imho limited to a couple thousand words. which is considerable already, and would allow for proper profiling, but couldn’t capture your interest in something more specific like a mazda 323f.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
        \n
        For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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        I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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      My own theory is that they tokenize key words and phrases with an AI so that they’re not sending the actual audio data. Then it’s stored in a form some AI can parse but isn’t technically user data so they can skirt legislation around that.\n
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      A tokenized collection of key phrases omitting delimiters in text format is going be much, much less than audio, or a transcript.
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    as someone who has played around with offline speech recognition before - there is a reason why ai assistants only use it for the wake word, and the rest is processed in the cloud: it sucks. it’s quite unreliable, you’d have to pronounce things exactly as expected. so you need to “train” it for different accents and ways to pronounce something if you want to capture it properly, so the info they could siphon this way is imho limited to a couple thousand words. which is considerable already, and would allow for proper profiling, but couldn’t capture your interest in something more specific like a mazda 323f.\n
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    but offline speech recognition also requires a fair amount of compute power. at least on our phones, it would inevitably drain the battery
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
      \n
      For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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      I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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    > most phones will just struggle to record and process audio indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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    I mean, it’s still a valid concern for a commoner. *Why my phone has twice the ram and twice the cores and is as slow as my previous one?* I’d love to fuel this conspiracy into OS, app makers to do their fucking job.\n
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    There’s no reason an app can weight more than 50mb on clean install*, and many socials, messengers fail to fit in. A client I use to write this is only 30+, and that’s one person doing that for donations.\n
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    If there could be a raging theory that apps are selling your data to, like, China, there would be a push to decline it and optimize apps to fit that image.\n
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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    > most phones will just struggle to record and process audio indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
          \n
          For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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          To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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          Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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          I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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        > most phones will just struggle to record and process audio indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
        \n
        I mean, it’s still a valid concern for a commoner. *Why my phone has twice the ram and twice the cores and is as slow as my previous one?* I’d love to fuel this conspiracy into OS, app makers to do their fucking job.\n
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        There’s no reason an app can weight more than 50mb on clean install*, and many socials, messengers fail to fit in. A client I use to write this is only 30+, and that’s one person doing that for donations.\n
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        If there could be a raging theory that apps are selling your data to, like, China, there would be a push to decline it and optimize apps to fit that image.\n
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    I get it. It’s just I don’t see any dev-put images in many big apps, besides a logo and a welcome screen. Updating them with dozens of megabytes doesn’t feel okay. It seems like there’s some bloat, or a vault management problems. Like in some seasonally updated games that put dupes to speed up load of a map or easily add new content on top of them instead of redownloading a brand new db. Some I followed shawed off tens of gigabytes by rearranging stuff.\n
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    Like, messengers. I don’t get it how Viber wants more than 40+ mb per update having nothing but stickers, emoji already installed and probably don’t change them much. Cheap wireless connection could allow them to ignore that for some reason and start to get heavier in order to offload some from their servers, for many images are localized. Is that probably what their updates are? Or they consequentially add beta patches after an approval, so you download a couple of them in a close succession after they get into public?
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    +title: "privacy"
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
          \n
          For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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          Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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          I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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        > most phones will just struggle to record and process audio indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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        I mean, it’s still a valid concern for a commoner. *Why my phone has twice the ram and twice the cores and is as slow as my previous one?* I’d love to fuel this conspiracy into OS, app makers to do their fucking job.\n
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        There’s no reason an app can weight more than 50mb on clean install*, and many socials, messengers fail to fit in. A client I use to write this is only 30+, and that’s one person doing that for donations.\n
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        If there could be a raging theory that apps are selling your data to, like, China, there would be a push to decline it and optimize apps to fit that image.\n
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    I get it. It’s just I don’t see any dev-put images in many big apps, besides a logo and a welcome screen. Updating them with dozens of megabytes doesn’t feel okay. It seems like there’s some bloat, or a vault management problems. Like in some seasonally updated games that put dupes to speed up load of a map or easily add new content on top of them instead of redownloading a brand new db. Some I followed shawed off tens of gigabytes by rearranging stuff.\n
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    Like, messengers. I don’t get it how Viber wants more than 40+ mb per update having nothing but stickers, emoji already installed and probably don’t change them much. Cheap wireless connection could allow them to ignore that for some reason and start to get heavier in order to offload some from their servers, for many images are localized. Is that probably what their updates are? Or they consequentially add beta patches after an approval, so you download a couple of them in a close succession after they get into public?
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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        > most phones will just struggle to record and process audio indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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        I mean, it’s still a valid concern for a commoner. *Why my phone has twice the ram and twice the cores and is as slow as my previous one?* I’d love to fuel this conspiracy into OS, app makers to do their fucking job.\n
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    I get it. It’s just I don’t see any dev-put images in many big apps, besides a logo and a welcome screen. Updating them with dozens of megabytes doesn’t feel okay. It seems like there’s some bloat, or a vault management problems. Like in some seasonally updated games that put dupes to speed up load of a map or easily add new content on top of them instead of redownloading a brand new db. Some I followed shawed off tens of gigabytes by rearranging stuff.\n
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    Like, messengers. I don’t get it how Viber wants more than 40+ mb per update having nothing but stickers, emoji already installed and probably don’t change them much. Cheap wireless connection could allow them to ignore that for some reason and start to get heavier in order to offload some from their servers, for many images are localized. Is that probably what their updates are? Or they consequentially add beta patches after an approval, so you download a couple of them in a close succession after they get into public?
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
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      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
      \n
      For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
      \n
      To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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      Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
      \n
      I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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    I agree.\n
    \n
    What could be possible, would be maybe send tiny bits. For example, a device could categorize some places or times, detect out of pattern behaviours and just record a couple of seconds here and there, then send it to the server when requesting something else to avoid being suspicious. Or just pretend it’s a “false positive” or whatever and say “sorry, I didn’t get that.”\n
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    I don’t think they’re listening to everything, but they could technically get something if they wanted to target you.
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
      """
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      I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
      \n
      For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
      \n
      To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
      \n
      Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
      \n
      I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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    I agree.\n
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    What could be possible, would be maybe send tiny bits. For example, a device could categorize some places or times, detect out of pattern behaviours and just record a couple of seconds here and there, then send it to the server when requesting something else to avoid being suspicious. Or just pretend it’s a “false positive” or whatever and say “sorry, I didn’t get that.”\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    I agree.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      I agree.\n
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    Right, I suppose cybersecurity isn’t so different than physical security in that way. Someone who really wants to get to you always can (read: why there are so many burner phones at def con).\n
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    But for the average person, who uses consumer grade deadbolts in their home and doesn’t hire a private detail when they travel, does an iPhone fit within their acceptable risk threshold? Probably.
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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    There's also a totally plausible and far more insidious answer to what's going on with the experiences people have of the ads matching their conversations.\n
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    Which does comport with the billions of dollars spent on advertising every year. It would be very weird if an entire ad industry that's at least a century old was all a complete nonsense waste of money this whole time.\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      There's also a totally plausible and far more insidious answer to what's going on with the experiences people have of the ads matching their conversations.\n
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    Damn, I hadn’t thought of that. The chicken egg question of spooky ad relevance. Insidious indeed.\n
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      There's also a totally plausible and far more insidious answer to what's going on with the experiences people have of the ads matching their conversations.\n
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    Damn, I hadn’t thought of that. The chicken egg question of spooky ad relevance. Insidious indeed.\n
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      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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    Damn, I hadn’t thought of that. The chicken egg question of spooky ad relevance. Insidious indeed.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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    - Desactivate GPS if not used\n
    - Review in Android every app with [Exodus Privacy](https://exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/), maybe Lookout or MyCyberHome in iOS (Freemium apps !!!)\n
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      - Desactivate GPS if not used\n
      - Review in Android every app with [Exodus Privacy](https://exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/), maybe Lookout or MyCyberHome in iOS (Freemium apps !!!)\n
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    Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
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    Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
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    I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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        For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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      Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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      Although they feel authorized by the user’s consent to the TOS and PP, the legality depends directly on the legislation of each country. TOS and PP itself, to be a legal contract, must comply in all its points with local legislation to be applicable to the user. For this reason, I think that these practices are very different in the EU from those in the US, where legislation regarding privacy is conspicuous by its absence, that is, that US users should take these COX statements very seriously in their devices, although in the EU they must also be clear that Google and Apple know exactly what they do and where users live, although they are limited from selling this data to third parties.\n
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      - Desactivate GPS if not used\n
      - Review in Android every app with [Exodus Privacy](https://exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/), maybe Lookout or MyCyberHome in iOS (Freemium apps !!!)\n
      - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
      - Be aware of discount apps from the Supermarket or Malls\n
      - Don’t store important data in the Phone (Banking, Medical…)
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    Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
    \n
    Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
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    I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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      ============================================================\n
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      \n
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      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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      - Desactivate GPS if not used\n
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      - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
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    Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
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    Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
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    I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
          \n
          For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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          To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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          Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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          I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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        Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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        - Desactivate GPS if not used\n
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        - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
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      Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
          \n
          For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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          To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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          Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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          I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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        Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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        Although they feel authorized by the user’s consent to the TOS and PP, the legality depends directly on the legislation of each country. TOS and PP itself, to be a legal contract, must comply in all its points with local legislation to be applicable to the user. For this reason, I think that these practices are very different in the EU from those in the US, where legislation regarding privacy is conspicuous by its absence, that is, that US users should take these COX statements very seriously in their devices, although in the EU they must also be clear that Google and Apple know exactly what they do and where users live, although they are limited from selling this data to third parties.\n
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        - Desactivate GPS if not used\n
        - Review in Android every app with [Exodus Privacy](https://exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/), maybe Lookout or MyCyberHome in iOS (Freemium apps !!!)\n
        - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
        - Be aware of discount apps from the Supermarket or Malls\n
        - Don’t store important data in the Phone (Banking, Medical…)
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      Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
      \n
      Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
      \n
      I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
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      \n
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      \n
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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        Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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        - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
        - Be aware of discount apps from the Supermarket or Malls\n
        - Don’t store important data in the Phone (Banking, Medical…)
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      Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
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      Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
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      I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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          \n
          Basics:\n
          \n
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          \n
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          - Desactivate GPS if not used\n
          - Review in Android every app with [Exodus Privacy](https://exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/), maybe Lookout or MyCyberHome in iOS (Freemium apps !!!)\n
          - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
          - Be aware of discount apps from the Supermarket or Malls\n
          - Don’t store important data in the Phone (Banking, Medical…)
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        Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
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        Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
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        I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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    +body: "[arstechnica.com/…/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving…](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/)"
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    Yeah those push token systems need an overhaul. IIRC tokens are specific to app-device combinations, so invalidation that isn’t automatic should be push-button revocation. Users should have control of it like any other API on their device, if only to get apps to stop spamming coupons or whatever.\n
    \n
    It’s funny though: when I first saw those headlines, my first reaction was that it was a positive sign, since this was apparently news worthy even though the magnitude of impact for this sort of systemic breach is demonstrably low. (In particular, it pertains to (1) incidental high-noise data (2) associated with devices and (3) available only by request to (4) governments, who are weak compared to even the smallest data brokers WRT capacity for data mining inference and redistribution, to put it mildly.)\n
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
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      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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          Although they feel authorized by the user’s consent to the TOS and PP, the legality depends directly on the legislation of each country. TOS and PP itself, to be a legal contract, must comply in all its points with local legislation to be applicable to the user. For this reason, I think that these practices are very different in the EU from those in the US, where legislation regarding privacy is conspicuous by its absence, that is, that US users should take these COX statements very seriously in their devices, although in the EU they must also be clear that Google and Apple know exactly what they do and where users live, although they are limited from selling this data to third parties.\n
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          - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
          - Be aware of discount apps from the Supermarket or Malls\n
          - Don’t store important data in the Phone (Banking, Medical…)
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        Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
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        Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
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        I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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    +body: "[arstechnica.com/…/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving…](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/)"
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    Yeah those push token systems need an overhaul. IIRC tokens are specific to app-device combinations, so invalidation that isn’t automatic should be push-button revocation. Users should have control of it like any other API on their device, if only to get apps to stop spamming coupons or whatever.\n
    \n
    It’s funny though: when I first saw those headlines, my first reaction was that it was a positive sign, since this was apparently news worthy even though the magnitude of impact for this sort of systemic breach is demonstrably low. (In particular, it pertains to (1) incidental high-noise data (2) associated with devices and (3) available only by request to (4) governments, who are weak compared to even the smallest data brokers WRT capacity for data mining inference and redistribution, to put it mildly.)\n
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            I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
            \n
            For one, a user can check this themselves today with basic local network traffic monitors or packet sniffing tools. Even heavily compressed audio data will stand out in the log, no matter how it’s encrypted, streamed, batched or what have you.\n
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            To get a sense of what I mean, run wireshark and give a wake phrase command to see what that looks like. Now imagine trying to obfuscate that type of transmission for audio longer than 2 seconds, and repeatedly throughout a day.\n
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            Even assuming local audio inference and processing on a completely compromised device (rooted/jailbroken, disabled sandboxing/SIP, unrestricted platform access, the works) most phones will just struggle to do that recording and processing indeterminately without a noticeable impact on energy and data use.\n
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            I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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          Smartphones by definition are Spyware, at least if you use the OS as is, because in them all aspects are controlled and logged, either by Google on Android or by Apple on iOS. Adding the default apps that cannot be uninstalled on a mobile that is not rooted. As COX alleges, they also use third-party logs and therefore can track and profile the user very well, even without using this technology that they claim to have.\n
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          Although they feel authorized by the user’s consent to the TOS and PP, the legality depends directly on the legislation of each country. TOS and PP itself, to be a legal contract, must comply in all its points with local legislation to be applicable to the user. For this reason, I think that these practices are very different in the EU from those in the US, where legislation regarding privacy is conspicuous by its absence, that is, that US users should take these COX statements very seriously in their devices, although in the EU they must also be clear that Google and Apple know exactly what they do and where users live, although they are limited from selling this data to third parties.\n
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          - Use as less possible apps from the store\n
          - Be aware of discount apps from the Supermarket or Malls\n
          - Don’t store important data in the Phone (Banking, Medical…)
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        Agreed, though I think it’s possible to use smart devices safely. For Android it can be difficult outside custom roms. The OEM flavors tend to have spyware baked in that takes time and root to fully undo, and even then I’m never sure I got it all. These are the most common phones, however, especially in economy price brackets, which is why I’d agree that for the average user most phones are spyware.\n
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        Flashing is not useful advice to most. “Just root it bro” doesn’t help your nontechnical relatives who can’t stop downloading toolbars and VPN installers. But with OEM variants undermining privacy at the system level, it feels like a losing battle.\n
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        I’d give credit to Apple for their privacy enablement, especially with E2EE, device lockdown, granular access permission control and audits. Unfortunately their devices are not as affordable and I’m not sure how to advise the average Android user beyond general opt-out vigilance.
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    Yeah those push token systems need an overhaul. IIRC tokens are specific to app-device combinations, so invalidation that isn’t automatic should be push-button revocation. Users should have control of it like any other API on their device, if only to get apps to stop spamming coupons or whatever.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      ### Chat rooms\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    That is glossing over how they process the data and transmit it to the cloud. The assistant wake word for “Hey Google” invokes an audio stream to an off site audio processor in order to handle the query. So that is easy to identify via traffic because it is immediate and large.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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        I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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      That is glossing over how they process the data and transmit it to the cloud. The assistant wake word for “Hey Google” invokes an audio stream to an off site audio processor in order to handle the query. So that is easy to identify via traffic because it is immediate and large.\n
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      Good luck finding that on wireshark.
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    Hmm, that’s outside my wheelhouse. So you’re saying phone hardware is designed to listen for not just one but multiple predefined or reprogrammable bank of wake words? I hadn’t read about that yet but it sounds more feasible than the constant livestream idea.\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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        I’m sure advertising companies would love to collect that much raw candid data. It would seem quite a challenge to do so quietly, however, and given the apparent lack of evidence, is thus unlikely to have been implemented at any kind of scale.
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      That is glossing over how they process the data and transmit it to the cloud. The assistant wake word for “Hey Google” invokes an audio stream to an off site audio processor in order to handle the query. So that is easy to identify via traffic because it is immediate and large.\n
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    Hmm, that’s outside my wheelhouse. So you’re saying phone hardware is designed to listen for not just one but multiple predefined or reprogrammable bank of wake words? I hadn’t read about that yet but it sounds more feasible than the constant livestream idea.\n
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      \n
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      \n
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      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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        I usually wear the tin foil hat in these debates, but I must concede in this case: the eavesdropping phone theory in particular is difficult to substantiate, from a technical standpoint.\n
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      That is glossing over how they process the data and transmit it to the cloud. The assistant wake word for “Hey Google” invokes an audio stream to an off site audio processor in order to handle the query. So that is easy to identify via traffic because it is immediate and large.\n
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      Good luck finding that on wireshark.
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      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    As originally reported over a week ago by 404 Media: [www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-…](https://www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-to-phones-smartspeakers-for-ads-marketing/)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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    As originally reported over a week ago by 404 Media: [www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-…](https://www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-to-phones-smartspeakers-for-ads-marketing/)\n
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      ### Related communities\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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    A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
    ============================================================\n
    \n
    Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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    In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
    \n
    ### Some Rules\n
    \n
    - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
    - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
    - Try to keep things on topic\n
    - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
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    - Be nice :)\n
    \n
    ### Related communities\n
    \n
    - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
    - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
    - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
    - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
    \n
    ### Chat rooms\n
    \n
    - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
    - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
    \n
    much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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