GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@kpw@kbin.social/hot?p=3

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.21
Profiled on
Token
f1c09c

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.87 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.06 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2103
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2758 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2760 …}
  +slug: "target-seed-ratio-max-1-1-current-ratio"
  +title: "target seed ratio = max{1, 1/current ratio}"
  +url: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
  +body: "For example if your total ratio is 0.60, set the target ratio to 1.67."
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 9
  +favouriteCount: 22
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1712256696 {#2753
    date: 2024-04-04 20:51:36.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2761 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2763 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2765 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2767 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2769 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2771 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2109
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2103 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
      +body: "Yes. I wanted to write max."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1704463442 {#2101
        date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@flx@lemmy.blahaj.zone"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2107 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2124 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2118 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2121 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2123 …}
      -id: 282492
      -bodyTs: "'max':6 'want':3 'write':5 'yes':1"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722/-/comment/4419464"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704463442 {#2102
        date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 282492
    }
  ]
  -id: 27346
  -titleTs: "'1':5 '1/current':6 'max':4 'ratio':3,7 'seed':2 'target':1"
  -bodyTs: "'0.60':8 '1.67':14 'exampl':2 'ratio':6,12 'set':9 'target':11 'total':5"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1704535473
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
  +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1711947381 {#2741
    date: 2024-04-01 06:56:21.0 +02:00
  }
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704449073 {#2718
    date: 2024-01-05 11:04:33.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2103
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2758 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2760 …}
  +slug: "target-seed-ratio-max-1-1-current-ratio"
  +title: "target seed ratio = max{1, 1/current ratio}"
  +url: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
  +body: "For example if your total ratio is 0.60, set the target ratio to 1.67."
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 9
  +favouriteCount: 22
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1712256696 {#2753
    date: 2024-04-04 20:51:36.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2761 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2763 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2765 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2767 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2769 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2771 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2109
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2103 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
      +body: "Yes. I wanted to write max."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1704463442 {#2101
        date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@flx@lemmy.blahaj.zone"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2107 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2124 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2118 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2121 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2123 …}
      -id: 282492
      -bodyTs: "'max':6 'want':3 'write':5 'yes':1"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722/-/comment/4419464"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704463442 {#2102
        date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 282492
    }
  ]
  -id: 27346
  -titleTs: "'1':5 '1/current':6 'max':4 'ratio':3,7 'seed':2 'target':1"
  -bodyTs: "'0.60':8 '1.67':14 'exampl':2 'ratio':6,12 'set':9 'target':11 'total':5"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1704535473
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
  +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1711947381 {#2741
    date: 2024-04-01 06:56:21.0 +02:00
  }
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704449073 {#2718
    date: 2024-01-05 11:04:33.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2103
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2758 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2760 …}
  +slug: "target-seed-ratio-max-1-1-current-ratio"
  +title: "target seed ratio = max{1, 1/current ratio}"
  +url: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
  +body: "For example if your total ratio is 0.60, set the target ratio to 1.67."
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 9
  +favouriteCount: 22
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1712256696 {#2753
    date: 2024-04-04 20:51:36.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2761 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2763 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2765 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2767 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2769 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2771 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2109
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2103 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
      +body: "Yes. I wanted to write max."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1704463442 {#2101
        date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@kpw@kbin.social"
        "@flx@lemmy.blahaj.zone"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2107 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2124 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2118 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2121 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2123 …}
      -id: 282492
      -bodyTs: "'max':6 'want':3 'write':5 'yes':1"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722/-/comment/4419464"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704463442 {#2102
        date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 282492
    }
  ]
  -id: 27346
  -titleTs: "'1':5 '1/current':6 'max':4 'ratio':3,7 'seed':2 'target':1"
  -bodyTs: "'0.60':8 '1.67':14 'exampl':2 'ratio':6,12 'set':9 'target':11 'total':5"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1704535473
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
  +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1711947381 {#2741
    date: 2024-04-01 06:56:21.0 +02:00
  }
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704449073 {#2718
    date: 2024-01-05 11:04:33.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\EntryComment {#2109
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2103
    +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
    +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
    +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2758 …}
    +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2760 …}
    +slug: "target-seed-ratio-max-1-1-current-ratio"
    +title: "target seed ratio = max{1, 1/current ratio}"
    +url: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
    +body: "For example if your total ratio is 0.60, set the target ratio to 1.67."
    +type: "link"
    +lang: "en"
    +isOc: false
    +hasEmbed: false
    +commentCount: 9
    +favouriteCount: 22
    +score: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +sticky: false
    +lastActive: DateTime @1712256696 {#2753
      date: 2024-04-04 20:51:36.0 +02:00
    }
    +ip: null
    +adaAmount: 0
    +tags: null
    +mentions: null
    +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2761 …}
    +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2763 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2765 …}
    +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2767 …}
    +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2769 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2771 …}
    +children: [
      App\Entity\EntryComment {#2109}
    ]
    -id: 27346
    -titleTs: "'1':5 '1/current':6 'max':4 'ratio':3,7 'seed':2 'target':1"
    -bodyTs: "'0.60':8 '1.67':14 'exampl':2 'ratio':6,12 'set':9 'target':11 'total':5"
    +cross: false
    +upVotes: 0
    +downVotes: 0
    +ranking: 1704535473
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722"
    +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1711947381 {#2741
      date: 2024-04-01 06:56:21.0 +02:00
    }
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704449073 {#2718
      date: 2024-01-05 11:04:33.0 +01:00
    }
    +__isInitialized__: true
     …2
  }
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2106 …}
  +image: null
  +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
  +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2110 …}
  +body: "Yes. I wanted to write max."
  +lang: "en"
  +isAdult: false
  +favouriteCount: 1
  +score: 0
  +lastActive: DateTime @1704463442 {#2101
    date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +tags: null
  +mentions: [
    "@kpw@kbin.social"
    "@flx@lemmy.blahaj.zone"
  ]
  +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2107 …}
  +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2124 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2118 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2121 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2115 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2123 …}
  -id: 282492
  -bodyTs: "'max':6 'want':3 'write':5 'yes':1"
  +ranking: 0
  +commentCount: 0
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/741722/-/comment/4419464"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704463442 {#2102
    date: 2024-01-05 15:04:02.0 +01:00
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    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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      +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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      +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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      +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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      +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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      +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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        It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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        You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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        Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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        Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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        - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
        - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
        - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
        - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
        - its implementations aren't compatible with the existing internet standard XMPP
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    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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      +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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      +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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      +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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      +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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      +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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        It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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        You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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        Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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        Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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        - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
        - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
        - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
        - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
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    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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      +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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      +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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      +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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      +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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      +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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        It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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        You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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        Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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        Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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        - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
        - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
        - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
        - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
        - its implementations aren't compatible with the existing internet standard XMPP
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "How regularly should I check if Signal has become an interoperable internet standard?"
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "How regularly should I check if Signal has become an interoperable internet standard?"
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
          - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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          - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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  +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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  +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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  +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
          - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
          - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
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        +body: "You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe."
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
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          - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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          - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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    It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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    It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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          Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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    It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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    You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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    Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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    Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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    - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
    - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
    - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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          You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.
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    Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.\n
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    Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:\n
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    - <https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310>\n
    - <https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07>\n
    - <https://lemmy.world/post/8941217>\n
    - its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money\n
    - its implementations aren't compatible with the existing internet standard XMPP
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      How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
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        +body: "Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability."
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        +body: "Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy."
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        +body: "Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited."
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        +body: "Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: <https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/>"
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        +body: "You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body."
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          It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.\n
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