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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
\n
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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\n
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\n
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- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
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- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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\n
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
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- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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\n
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\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
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Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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\n
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\n
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[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
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\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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\n
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\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
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\n
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- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
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\n
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\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
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[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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\n
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\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
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- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
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\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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\n
\n
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\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
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\n
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\n
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- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
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\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
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\n
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- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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\n
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\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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============================================================\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
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\n
\n
\n
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\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
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\n
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\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
"""
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
\n
### Some Rules\n
\n
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
- Be nice :)\n
\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
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Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
============================================================\n
\n
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
\n
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
\n
### Some Rules\n
\n
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
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- Be nice :)\n
\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
"""
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
\n
It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
\n
A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
\n
It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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============================================================\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
\n
### Some Rules\n
\n
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
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### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
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- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
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In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
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Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
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Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
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The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
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In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
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Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
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Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
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In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
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It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A less private Tor or a hyper VPN.\n
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A bit less private because things are going through one fewer hop, in addition to having to sign up. In my experience with Invisiv, it’s much faster and more reliable than Tor, but slower and much less stable than a traditional VPN.\n
\n
It would be cool if more commercial VPN companies adopted this kind of tech.
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
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- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
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\n
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[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
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============================================================\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
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- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
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\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
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\n
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\n
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- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
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\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
"""
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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\n
\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
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\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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\n
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\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
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\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
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- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
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\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
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\n
\n
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\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
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\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
============================================================\n
\n
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
\n
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
\n
### Some Rules\n
\n
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
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\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
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\n
\n
\n
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\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
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\n
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\n
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- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
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\n
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\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
"""
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
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\n
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\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
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- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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\n
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\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
============================================================\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
\n
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
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\n
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### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
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\n
\n
\n
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\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
"""
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After reading their documentation a little closer, I discovered something else unsavory about Private Relay: it “relays” your approximate location, as it could usually be derived from your IP address.\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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### Chat rooms\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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After reading their documentation a little closer, I discovered something else unsavory about Private Relay: it “relays” your approximate location, as it could usually be derived from your IP address.\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
- Try to keep things on topic\n
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
- Be nice :)\n
\n
### Related communities\n
\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
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\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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After reading their documentation a little closer, I discovered something else unsavory about Private Relay: it “relays” your approximate location, as it could usually be derived from your IP address.\n
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\n
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- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
\n
Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
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\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
\n
\n
\n
Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
\n
> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
\n
But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
"""
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Hate to break it to you but all the major CDN providers do the exact same things. My employer runs multiple websites mainly for US and European users. We use Akamai for both CDN and WAF services. For any CDN and/or WAF to operate properly it needs access to unencrypted content. Part of Akamais WAF tools includes what they call Bot Manager, which can identify traffic coming from over 1000 known bots and can also classify unknown ones. Part of how it works is by browser fingerprinting as well as TLS session fingerprinting and other proprietary fingerprinting.\n
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So any time you visit a large website you’re likely being fingerprinted and otherwise analyzed by the CDN and security tools used by those sites.
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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
\n
\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
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Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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Hate to break it to you but all the major CDN providers do the exact same things. My employer runs multiple websites mainly for US and European users. We use Akamai for both CDN and WAF services. For any CDN and/or WAF to operate properly it needs access to unencrypted content. Part of Akamais WAF tools includes what they call Bot Manager, which can identify traffic coming from over 1000 known bots and can also classify unknown ones. Part of how it works is by browser fingerprinting as well as TLS session fingerprinting and other proprietary fingerprinting.\n
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\n
- [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
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- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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*Update: Apple’s role in adding extra location data to your request has been added to this post*\n
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Apple and a couple other providers have been experimenting with a multi-hop system of making your connections private.\n
\n
[Here’s what Cloudflare says.](https://blog.cloudflare.com/icloud-private-relay/)\n
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\n
\n
[Here’s what a competitor, Invisiv, says.](https://invisv.com/articles/decoupling-principle.html)\n
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Both pages are pretty hard to parse (IMO Cloudflare uses more jargony language: “ingress”/“egress server” - really?) but they get to the same point.\n
\n
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Your data takes a path like this\n
\n
1. Your computer, your IP address, your message to a destination gets encrypted in a couple layers and passed on.\n
2. Your ISP knows exactly who you are and that you’re reaching out to server 1. They can’t see your data but to them, you’re using a VPN probably.\n
3. The first server also necessarily knows who you are, unpacks one layer of your request and sends it on to a second server (in Invisiv’s case, Fastly; in Apple’s, Cloudflare).\n
4. The second server now knows that data was requested from the first server, and it can see the name of the domain you’re requesting (YouTube, for example) but because the request came from the first server, it theoretically won’t know it’s you making that request\n
5. The data moves on from the second server to the destination, with the destination only knowing it’s receiving data from the second server, and not knowing about the first server.\n
\n
The obvious issues here:\n
\n
- Do you trust the people providing the multi-hop VPN-like service?\n
- Do you trust the two servers, which have necessarily entered into an agreement of some sort, to not collaborate regarding transmitting data?\n
- How easy is it to audit the code we can see?\n
- **What else is going on with your data?**\n
\n
In the case of Apple/Cloudflare, reputation is rather poor. From PRISM to false advertising to notification telemetry, Apple hasn’t exactly delivered on their promise. In terms of Invisiv, the company has some big names on board but Fastly and Cloudflare both have a rather significant grip on the internet (with Cloudflare’s being bigger) but any CDN gets a good view into personal data most of the time.\n
\n
Update: in the case of Cloudflare/Apple, **Apple adds additional location data to your request, making its “private” relay leak approximate location data the same way [your IP address could leak it](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/what-can-someone-do-with-ip-address/).** To wit:\n
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> Apple relays geolocate user IP addresses and translate them into a “geohash”. Geohashes are compact representations of latitude and longitude.\n
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But on the bright side: a VPN has far more issues than either of these, as it’s basically #4 above except the same service also has your identity by necessity. An untrustworthy VPN is as harmful as an untrustworthy ISP, with very little separating them.
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Hate to break it to you but all the major CDN providers do the exact same things. My employer runs multiple websites mainly for US and European users. We use Akamai for both CDN and WAF services. For any CDN and/or WAF to operate properly it needs access to unencrypted content. Part of Akamais WAF tools includes what they call Bot Manager, which can identify traffic coming from over 1000 known bots and can also classify unknown ones. Part of how it works is by browser fingerprinting as well as TLS session fingerprinting and other proprietary fingerprinting.\n
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- [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
\n
### Chat rooms\n
\n
- [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
- [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
\n
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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\n
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\n
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- Don’t promote proprietary software\n
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\n
### Related communities\n
\n
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- [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
- [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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