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frickineh, in "Inner Jungle" - False Knees - February 17th, 2021

Oh no, now I want to take all the zoo birds on a trip to see new things. If you see some lady on the news who got arrested for gently packing the local cockatoos into her car, know that it’s the fault of this comic.

otter,

Reminds me of the joke

A man was driving down the road with twenty penguins in the back seat. The police stop him and say that he can’t drive around with the penguins in the car and should take them to the zoo. The man agrees and drives off.

The next day the same man is driving down the road with twenty penguins in the back and again. He is stopped by the same police officer who says, “Hey! I though I told you to take those to the zoo.”

The man replies “I did. Today I’m taking them to the movies.”

MonkCanatella, in Equation by Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

lol, some of this guy’s comics are just ridiculously funny.

MargotRobbie, in "Just Season It" by Mr.Lovenstein
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

For lazy people like me: air fryer works great for asparagus and broccoli, taste good even with only salt.

DillyDaily,

As a lazy person who grew up with a parent who’s method of cooking vegetables was just “boil it till its grey!”, if a vegetable can be eaten raw, I will be eating it raw.

Raw broccoli dipped in garlic greek yoghurt is delicious, nutritious and fast/lazy to prepare.

I’m on the hunt for a vegan alternative that is decent, but until then, crunchy carrots and sugar snap peas are my go-to lazy veggies.

Smoogs,

Raw broccoli…Oh man I do not want to smell your farts. I mean you don’t even have to boil them but give them just a hot dip to reduce the raffinose

ours,

Or just steamed a bit. I hate mushy broccoli with a passion.

DillyDaily,

Maybe it’s because I’m on prescription probiotics and digestive enzymes, but I haven’t noticed a drastic change in my farts from the broccoli. They used to absolutely reek before I went low-dairy and started being a little more mindful of FODMAPS.

Now pea protein powder? that amplifies my flatulence to war crime levels.

Pitco88,

Raw broccoli and a good hummus is a great alternative. It’s a salad combination i use quite frequently.

cerement, in "Inner Jungle" - False Knees - February 17th, 2021
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

this coming a day after someone posted a meme based on the last call of the Kauaʻi ʻōʻō

mojo, in "Just Season It" by Mr.Lovenstein

Ok but why sugar taste so good

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

CALORIE

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Because natural foods are sweet when they’re the most nutritious.

Fruit, for example, or carrots (which convert it’s starches into sugars to avoid freezing.)

Prior to modern food preservation and heavily processed foods, getting calories was hard enough on its own, so we’re primed to seek calorie rich food.

We’ve evolved- technologically- to the point that’s no longer true, but our biology hasn’t caught up yet.

EveningPancakes,

Because it’s seasoned with diabetes

ThePac, in "Just Season It" by Mr.Lovenstein

Anybody trying to tell me that sauteed veggies taste as good as a hamburger has lost from the beginning.

Jumi,

I’d take those over some greasy burgers any time of the day

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Greasy burgers? Sure.

Good, craft burgers? Naw

Surdon,

Honestly fresh veggies sautéed right are better than any hamburger, and I love to eat meats

ThePac,

Insanity.

ours,

Top tier, fresh, sautéed, and properly spiced asparagus as pictured in the comic over a conventional burger? Count me in.

Or a good artichoke. Yum.

I feel too many people grew up eating overcooking mushy veggies that weren’t properly seasoned.

JoeyHarrington,

Canned veggies ducked everything up for kids

Smoogs,

I’m also a meat eater but have to disagree with you there. I prefer variety because eating the same salty slop gets boring. Maybe you have abused your tastebuds . If you take a break from certain foods it recalibrates the taste buds.

Theharpyeagle,

Maybe you just need to find the right veggies or the right seasoning. I wouldn’t say I love veggies more or less than a burger, but they add much needed variety.

synae, in "I Think Not" by Mr Lovenstein
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Same but also pop is the sound of the beer bottle opening

LegionEris, in Equation by Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

Oh I definitely need some strife. It can just be me vs situation like my current position trying to run an efficient dispensary, but I need the challenge way more than the perception of earning or owning. I gotta be solving problems and completing tasks. I can’t live idly.

fosforus, in "Just Season It" by Mr.Lovenstein

Children: uhh, it’s now even worse

ILikeBoobies, in "Just Season It" by Mr.Lovenstein

Because you are designed to seek out salt and sugar as a survival trait; then decided to mass produce it and put it into everything. Now your tastebuds have been ruined, even the standard apple/banana has been genetically modified to have more sugar

meowMix2525, (edited )

iirc the modern banana is actually a less flavorful variety than centuries past, but not for selective breeding reasons. The more popular variety, the Gros Michel, was susceptible to a certain fungus that wiped it out by the 60s. Those apparently tasted closer to the artificial banana flavoring that is still used today and in fact are what that flavoring was based on (albeit probably quite a bit more sugary and concentrated since it’s still a candy flavoring).

And then you have other produce like apples and tomatoes being bred for size and yield, since that will both net more profit and feed more people. This often necessarily means that the produce will lose flavor in the process, as well as nutritional value by weight since the size/yield increase is mostly just the crop taking up more water. (I think the genetic modification you mentioned is in some part meant to correct that inverse relationship between yield and nutritional density, but I’d have to read up more on the subject.)

So I think you can just as much argue that it’s not our tastebuds being ruined so much as produce itself being considerably less appealing to them.

Peaty,

You can buy Gros Michel bananas still you just have to put in some effort. If you are in the USA and have the cash the Miami Fruit Co ships them when they grow them. I haven’t checked but I believe they are in banana season.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Whoa, looks like a really cool company in general! Thanks for the tip!

SeaJ,

The gros Michel is also not a natural banana. Those were also all clones of each other. Natural bananas have big ass seeds throughout them.

qyron,

Genetically modified? That’s a stretch.

Like many other cultures, bananas and apples were selectively reproduced to obtain fruits with more to eat. Corn, carrots, every single kale and cabbage, potatoes, oranges and even strawberries can go into this basket.

The wild banana has almost nothing to eat, being filled with large seeds and we can still find wild apples, by nature very tart but still edible. Every single cereal we plant and harvest today was originally nothing more than a wild grass.

But to call the work of millenia and who knows how many generations of farmers genetic modifications is a bit over the top.

GMOs are very recent introductions and normally for obtaining pest, drought or disease (more) resistant plants.

mudmaniac,

The wild banana has almost nothing to eat, being filled with large seeds and we can still find wild apples, by nature very tart but still edible. Every single cereal we plant and harvest today was originally nothing more than a wild grass.

I cannot help thinking about the first proto-human that started munching on the tips of wild grass.

  • “Hey Unk, check out Krug over there, chewin on the grass. That shit’s messed up.”
  • “I dunno Greg. Looks pretty tasty to me.”
qyron,

Our ancestors were primarily leaf eaters, so moving to grass wouldn’t be that unusual. But let’s picture the first proto-human that decided to go for the carcass of another animal, either killed by a predator or by fire or lightning. That would have been an event.

ThatWeirdGuy1001,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pretty sure most primates are omnivores so they’d have been hunting as well just more in an opportunistic way

qyron,

If we are to go back far enough, we are bound to find an ancestor mostly herbivore. On that level, going for the scenario I mentioned would have been some event.

ILikeBoobies,

Selective breeding and grafting modified the genetics

Bananas all being clones

There’s no reason to separate the terms

afraid_of_zombies,

A skyscraper and a toolshed are both buildings technically speaking. So in that sense you are correct, only technically correct.

ILikeBoobies,

I would have said a skyscraper made of metal and a skyscraper made of cement are both skyscrapers for your analogy but sure

qyron,

Let’s analyse that.

Selective breeding increases the frequency of a given set of genes, already present in a species, in order to better manifest specific, more advantageous - either nature or human chosen - traits.

Random mutations can occur when biological reproduction happens but unless extreme and radical - which often prove fatal for the offspring - are not relevant for the species in the immediate.

These principles are applicable to both plants and animals.

Now grafting takes a part of one plant - usually a small branch - uses another plant to provide the root system - usually something that grows much faster than the graft - and this process multiplies asexually the plant from which the branch was oroginally cut. No genes are carried over between the two plants.

This is valid to get a bunch of trees out of a single one in a very short time but it will not introduce new genes into the crop.

Quince trees are often used as root stock to graft other trees, like pear and apple. If the seeds from those grafted trees were to be sprouted, planted and nurtured to maturity, apples or pears would grow but of completely new varieties. The quince trees used to provide the root for grafting would provide zero genes to the new varieties.

Can you expand on why you consider grafting as a tool for genetic manipulation?

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

it will not introduce new genes into the crop.

Under normal circumstances new genes would be, but the new plant isn’t considered a new species (like tigons not being a species)

qyron,

normal circumstances

As in a quince tree cross polinate a pear tree or an apple tree?

XTornado,

GMOs are very recent introductions and normally for obtaining pest, drought or disease (more)

Those bastards!!!

resistant plants.

Oh…ok…

afraid_of_zombies,

How dare people and companies make plants that help people eat. Most disgusting thing ever.

chiliedogg,

We absolutely genetically modified pretty much all of our food. We just did it by selective breeding.

The only difference with modern GMO is we’ve learned to do it directly much faster. We don’t need a random mutation to add a trait anymore.

qyron, (edited )

Can we get a geneticist here?

Last time I was taught about biology, selective breeding was a process through which, over a long period of time, individuals with favorable traits were multiplied in order to increase the prevalence of such traits.

The genes were already introduced, hence, no modification. Already existing characteristics were allowed to further express and refine.

Genetic modification, to my understanding, implies introducing genetic information into the genome of an organism to produce another with traits previously completely absent in the species.

Selection vs manipulation.

I’ll concede there are a few cases where the lines blurr, like the golden rice, where a gene that codified the production of vitamin A in the grain was/is already inactive or so receassive, in order to have it express again would require gene manipulation but I think a selective production program was put forward in an attempt to bring out that gene again.

Honytawk,

Selective breeding is just one of the methods used to genetically modify our food.

qyron,

I can’t agree with that.

The basic notion of genetically modifying an organism implies changes enacted at the genetic level, through artificial means, not biological.

PutangInaMo,
qyron,

I’m getting an error with the document.

AccountMaker,

I think you two have different images in your minds. You say “genetically modify” as in “modify the food through choosing which genes are to prevail”, while the other means “modify genes directly to affect the food”, and in that sense selective breeding isn’t GMO because no genes have been modified, but rather encouraged. You modify the genetic structure of future generations through natural means, not the organism directly.

Don’t know what scientists say, I just see the other comment downvoted when they have a fair point.

Smoogs, in "Just Season It" by Mr.Lovenstein

Seriously though I’m amazed at how many people don’t understand basic cooking and how easy and necessary it is to take interest in self health and basic nourishment. But then get shocked when their organs start to shut down before 50. Like “omg they are trying to kill us all with salt and sugar in fast food” shouldn’t be a shock anymore. It’s capitalism. That’s how it works. They don’t care about your body.

Crul, in "I Think Not" by Mr Lovenstein
Crul, in "Camouflage" by Safely Endangered
Crul, (edited ) in Equation by Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

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The real fantasy is clearly a VR suit with a food tube and a lack of perception that you’re in the VR suit with a food tube.

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Murvel, in "I Think Not" by Mr Lovenstein

Good stuff, won’t need to think as long as I consooooom!!

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