the meantime, to ensure that /r/PICS is adhering to all of Reddit’s guidelines and requests, we would be happy to revert the NSFW setting, restrict posting, and remove any and all content that could be considered “offensive” by anyone.
One must have no mind at all to take that place seriously at this point. No consistency, no fairness, no honesty, no integrity. One never knows what to expect nor from where to expect it.
Hell, they don't seem to know what they're doing. Their admins fight over who does what to whom and apparently they close subs then threaten themselves demanding that they reopen them. This didn't have to be a big mess but it was forced to be one anyway and there's no sense in trusting it to get any better.
Sorry, I don't know where I saw that but one of the "Reddit admins close down a subreddit" posts around here has someone talking about that happening, and some others mention mod actions being done/undone/partially re-done over time due to internal confusion or struggles or whatever. It seems clear no one knows what Reddit is doing, inside the company or out.
Hell, maybe the bots are doing the adminning too. There's no foolishness like absolute foolishness, yes?
Ah I think I remember that. It was r/mildlyinteresting iirc - an admin demodded the entire mod team for breaking a rule that they didn't actually break (they filled the flag but didn't actually allow any NSFW) and a different admin added them back.
I got passed over for a promotion a few times before and it stung. Can’t imagine how Bottom felt. Glad to hear this place crumbled given the level of bullshit going on
I think these malicious compliance subreddit responses are as fun as the next person, but honest question: doesn't this work out in Reddit's favor? They don't care what's posted as long as content is being generated and traffic being driven to their site, right?
Not really. The traffic they're getting from it is unsustainable and any would-be investor who is paying attention will notice this. This is really more a tactic to shatter the narrative that the mods do not represent the will of the general user and they are forcing the protests onto them.
I don't know why I keep forgetting about the upcoming IPO, but the point about investors is definitely a good one. I do agree that whatever happens, this is a huge signal that Reddit admins have fallen out of favor with their userbase, which is certainly not tenable for functional company.
Honestly, I'd be shocked if Huffman is still CEO in 6 months.
IPO’s are risky for the investor. If the company is overvalued before the IPO, a huge chunk of money invested disappears almost immediately as the stock drops. So the big investors will be doing their research before putting their money in.
It depends on what happens next. Short term there definitely isn't any harm. Longer term if the content stays as is it gets stale and dies. On the other hand if the people keep finding creative ways of posting content in this "new" format it seems like it breathes life into the site*___*
There is the nuance to it. The subscribers did not sign up for this initially. Therefore they will have to build a new community up which certainly won't have as many subscribers for a very long time and none of the post history.
At the same time posts actually asking about the Steam platform get downvoted heavily and thus dissuade further interaction.
Effectively the sub becomes useless, just the same as if it had stayed closed. It will drop in engagement in the long term.
The John Oliver memes attract more mainstream attention and clearly signal to investors the platform is not healthy, irrespective of the traffic it causes.
With more and more subreddits joining in on this, the All page gets flooded with shitposts annoying everyone. Those who stay certainly won't want to deal with this all the time and unsubscribe.
Of course group dynamics are unpredictable at times, but reddit is certainly more in turmoil than whatever traffic.
Thanks, I was missing that point of view but I see what you mean.
I guess the way I see it is that, right now, people are enthusiastically joining in, which is still driving a sense of community. I guess I'm not as convinced that, long term, people will be driven to make new communities. I feel like the more likely scenario is that people will grow bored and go back to their normal, everyday posting.
Edit: I do agree the invester point is definitely one I didn't consider and is definitely a huge factor to all of this. Of course, it goes without saying that it at least signals the turmoil at Reddit and brings more attention to it. Not all press is good press in this case.
Whatever happens, I fully intend to sit back and enjoy watching the drama unfold.
I feel like the more likely scenario is that people will grow bored and go back to their normal, everyday posting.
I think it's more likely people will get bored and just stop going to reddit. Right now the ones taking part in the protest are the creators and hard core users, while the casual users either aren't taking part or are just not using reddit right now.
Longer term this will destroy reddit on google searches ruining one of the major drivers of traffic.
In the short term it's a question of if the casual users get tired first and stop going to reddit, or the hard core users get bored of trolling spez. If the former happens first then reddits non-troll traffic dies off and when the hard core users get bored and leave and then there will be almost nobody left.
Ultimately in order for the protesters to win they don't need to permanently destroy reddit, just to effectively shut it down for the next 6 months or so as literally this entire thing, both the changes reddit instituted and the backlash, is about the IPO. Spez was looking to pump the value quickly so he could cash out and so he went with some incredibly aggressive and anti-user policies that he hoped would generate a massive revenue spike and look good to investors. Instead the users are giving spez a boot to the teeth and reminding him that he has nothing without them.
Not to mention that the argument that moderators are acting in bad faith against what the users want isn't really holding up if a rather decent chunk of active users are in favor of doing this.
r/pics held a poll and their users CHOSE the john oliver memes. other subs are doing something similar, giving 'go back to normal' as an option because otherwise the admins might just remove them anyway for not giving users a real choice.
I’m fully behind the moderators and read their well crafted response, but the admins are going to nitpick the definition of “sudden” and kick out all the mods. /r/pics was one of their highest ad revenue boards and they can’t let that happen.
They closer they walk the line, the longer they can drag this out before they’re replaced. That means more subscribers move on to other active communities.
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