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Jamie, (edited ) in Enjoy your Call of Duty
@Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

I know storage is cheap, but nearly half a terabyte? I’m already giving any game the side eye if it takes more than 50G of space on a disk, let alone nearly 10x that.

BananaOnionJuice,
@BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Just wait for the cracked version, they often reduce the size while they are at it.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Great, let me just whip out my computer science degree to figure out how the fuck to even do that.

ChronosWing,

You don’t need a computer science degree to downloaded and install a pirated repacked game.

Jamie,
@Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

Fit girls make fit games

thorbot,

Until you spend the 48 hours of processing time needed to unpack it…

Pixelologist,
@Pixelologist@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

laughs in 13900k

thorbot,

That doesn’t make the unpacked files take less space…

Perfide,

But it makes unpacking them quicker, which is what you originally seemed to be making fun of in regards to fitgirl repacks.

thorbot,

The whole thread is about storage space, I was just exaggerating with the 48 hours comment

MonkderZweite, (edited )

By leaving translations and so on out, but they can’t change unoptimized and duplicated but only once used assets in every map.

Dudewitbow,

You can choose to compress files on storage. If on linux. Or use tools like ConpactGUI to compress in windows 10/11.(not recommended to compress live service titles)

Part of the reason for the bulk of course is prerendered video and voice assets, especially if it has multiple voice options. Also non standardization of os level compression means you cannot send those conpressed files for users as not all users could use them if compressed using the methods mentioned above.

ArcaneGadget,

An order of magnitude more. It’s nearly half a terabyte.

Jamie,
@Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

Yeah whoops, brain said terabyte but fingers said gigabyte.

bobs_monkey,

Meh, it’s early. But it’s Friday!

Exusia, (edited )
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

Each main cod is 150gb now

Downloaded dmz for some friends on pc it’s 68 so consoles probably see 75-80 if not more

This is BEFORE the fact that On console, each game demands its own space to unpack the entire thing when it tries to update. So on PS5 not only is the game 150gb, but you need 150 free space to update meaning the game is functionally a “ghost” 300gb (I uninstalled cold war over this shit, I don’t have time or room on a console for that fucking nonsense)

drcobaltjedi,

PS4/5 does that unpack replace model for updates. Xbox on the otherhand applies the changes directly to the old version.

Send_me_nude_girls,

You’d think, thanks to removing HDDs, we’d no longer need file duplicates (because physics) and games get smaller again. But then you get unoptimized 4k textures and huge language packs for the 10000 hours of cutscenes, which you all have to always download. sigh

spacesweedkid27,

storage is cheap

My guy, if you talk about slow ass HDDs then yes, but games have become so large that you have to have a SSD at least to have enough read speed for reasonable loading time for shaders, textures, etc.

peopleproblems,

Makes you wonder when they will start distributing games on SSDs

Micromot,

SSDs are at a good price right now too, but that will probably soon change

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Anything >2TB becomes very expensive very quick
Add PCIe 4/5, M.2 form factor, non-2280 length (like SteamDeck) and extra features (if you need them) and they quickly begin zo add up to a point where it’s not feasible to buy it beyond having enough budget to not worry about that fact.
And afaik you’d need PCIe 4.0 M.2 storage to being able to use DirectStorage

Micromot,

I was only talking about normal m.2 ssds for pc, console is something different. There aren’t many extra features you meed for gaming. Storage is very cheap right now in comparison to what it used to be but it still isn’t cheap enough for game studios to pull this shit

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

SSDs sure became cheap and I agree that the game devs are pulling some heavy bs with that stuff. My rig is all flash based (+ an HDD that is for nvidia shadow play so it doesnt write my flash to death for nothing useful. I won’t count that).
But shopping for a PCIe 4.0 M.2 4TB 2280 is very expensive when you compare it to a 4TB HDD or even good desktop 8TB 7200 RPM CMR drive.

Usually my backlog is used enough for me to justify not spending the money on >2TB (anything equal or below 2TB is dirt cheap) TLC drives.

Small addition:
4 TB Crucial P3+: 216€
Sabrent Rocket 4TB Q4 M.2: 280€ Samsung SATA 8TB 870 Evo (QLC): 344€
8TB 7200RPM SATA drives (Geizhals link to how I searched): Anything between 145-250€
(Heavily depending on others factors like cache but still cheaper if you have the patience to wait).
8TB 2280 M.2 SSDs: Starting at 780€.

Yes the costs are coming down and 5 years ago you would probably be ballin to even think about 8TB in flash as a consumer. In another 5 years SSDs may become so cheap per TB that only € per TB would make a HDD feasible until you start to put SSDs in a 3.5" enclosure and arent constrained by the 2.5" form factor. The cost quickly gets out of hand at some point for a consumer just for having to wait 20 seconds to one minute.

Hope I made my stance clear: It’s cheap. Until it isn’t (for a consumer)

Micromot,

Indeed but the drop in prices for what I considered the normal sizes gives me a little bit of hope for the bigger drives, I would really love a 4/8tb drive so I don’t have to worry about storage again but that will have to wait some time

spudwart,
@spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

I think you meant “half a terabyte”, but given its obviously just an oversight I’m probably just nitpicking.

harry315, in I won’t download your stupid app

there’s a typo in your meme, op. The URL is supposed to look something like that


<span style="color:#323232;"> https://lemmy.ml/...
</span>
hkerr159,

At least we know this situation will never occur in Lemmy because everyone would just jump to another instance - the joy of decentralised media.

MargotRobbie, in Racismed

I genuinely can’t tell if the comic was added by somebody else to mock Musk’s tweet, or if Musk is such a narcissistic prick with zero self awareness that he "“ironically” added this comic as part of his fellow-kids memelord act.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Octopus1348,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar
GoodEye8,

There’s a simple litmus test. Musk would never joke about himself in a self-deprecating way, in any capacity. He has such a fragile ego it would break if someone farted in his general direction.

CurlyMoustache,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

His mother was a hamster

Blackmist, in Seriously spends $80 to drive 20km..

One of the bosses at my work has a massive Fall Guy truck, and often has huge items delivered to work, just so he has an excuse to use it.

“You won’t get that in the back of a Fiesta”

That’s right dickhead, because we’d have the items delivered to our homes.

Pulptastic,

You’d be surprised what I fit in my Yaris hatchback

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

My Prius holds a surprising amount with the back seats down.

jasondj,

For real I had a 2003 Hyundai Tiburon a while back. Went to a tool consignment store. Saw a full sized tablesaw with stand. Owner told me he’d give me $25 off if I could fit the whole thing in my Tiburon…and I did. And it wasn’t even hard.

Vespair,

Fr; I have a tiny CRZ coupe, but when I fold the back buckets down I can fit a tremendous amount of stuff in my car, even awkward and unwieldy-shaped things

NotSoCoolWhip,

Yaris ftw

Rodeo,

I put a washing machine in the back of my Toyota matrix.

time_fo_that,

I fold the seats down in my 12 year old BMW and have moved twice with that car! I even fit my mountain bike in the back many times (until I got a hitch rack because it was annoying lol).

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Or, and hear me out, I can rent a truck for the one time a year I need one. 20 bucks for a few hours from uhaul vs… 20,000 more for a big truck over a commuter car.

madcaesar,

20k just for the cost of the vehicle, probably MORE, plus extra insurance, gas tax cost all to save 50$ once in a while on a truck rental.

Not to mention that a pickup is basically half a completely useless car. You can’t sit in the back, you can’t really use it for hauling delicate stuff… It’s just such a bizzare concept for non farmers.

HipHoboHarold, (edited )

That’s what I keep thinking about. Like sometimes I would love an older, smaller styled truck. It could be really useful, but it sucks they aren’t really an option anymore.

But then I think about it, and how often would I use it? I just bought a TV and had to have it delivered because it wouldn’t fit in our car. We recently moved, and it would have been great.

But other than that, I honestly can’t think of any time recently I’ve needed it.

UnfortunateDoorHinge,

If practical a trailer is a good option. Get a tow hitch and just rent a trailer when you need. Moved house with my Suzuki and a 6x4 enclosed trailer.

Rubanski,

But remove the tow hitch before reselling the car because the buyer might try to argue extended wear on your car through towing stuff

vierbl00m,

but wouldn’t the buyer be right? why mislead them?

Rubanski,

It absolutely depends on how often you use it. But if you leave it, I can almost guarantee that you will get a lower price for it, even if you only used it once. I agree that, if you are using it regularly, you need to be honest about it

time_fo_that,

I have a hitch exclusively for a bike rack, could just say that.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I’ve thought that too. If they made a tiny truck, like an old style 90s ranger or tacoma but as an EV? I’d buy that tomorrow. Literally tomorrow I’d go buy it. But of course they don’t, they’re all these monstrously sized bohemoths that I have no interest in driving.

Until they make my dream tiny truck I’ll just go rent one.

UnfortunateDoorHinge,

In Asia they sell thousands of those Japanese and Korean mini trucks and vans, but they are designed for roads 80kmh and below. In Australia we have the Hilux 2wd utes which are small and bare bones. But for every one of those, Toyota sell 20 HiAce vans.

Chakravanti,

Yeah, why not go for anything 90’s? Or do you want a stupid driving smart truck?

HipHoboHarold,

The Ranger was actually the one I was picturing. One of my friends in high school had one, and we all thought it was so cool. This was in a small town in Texas, so we could all ride in the back, which looking back… yeah, not the best idea. I’ve heard stories of people getting hurt. So I wouldn’t do it anymore. But it was always just a cool truck and I was always a little jealous of her.

lightnsfw, in Were this the ‘good ole times’ they always talk about?

I see propaganda all over the place on here.

DragonTypeWyvern, (edited )

Propaganda is an organization disseminating information they want others to believe, whether it be true, false, or the typical tactic, a mix of both.

You pretty much can’t avoid it on social media, the only question is whether the action is direct from the organizations or grassroots support.

irreticent,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Or, it can come from useful idiots repeating the propaganda they read/heard/etc.

lightnsfw,

We could avoid it if people would stop acting like fucking clowns and parroting every stupid thing they’ve ever read that happens to align with their views.

stewsters,

Here, take a fake Internet point.

SaakoPaahtaa,

Let me link you my patreon

irreticent,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

And check out my onlyfans.

kool_newt,

that’s amateupaganda

moistclump,

Honest question. What kind of propaganda are you seeing on Lemmy? Nothing comes to mind.

I mostly see… Linux stuff. And I am not a computer person. Is that propaganda?

daellat,

On hexbear for example there’s a lot of tankies posting tankie propaganda

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m so sorry you’ve been exposed to political views different from your own, I hope you’ll be able to recover from that one day.

xor,

Autocracy is not a legitimate political system

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

non sequitur is not a legitimate form of argument

xor,

Nice Latin, but not relevant here

Tankie is a slang term for autocratic communist

Autocracy is not a legitimate form of government

So autocratic propaganda is not just a “different political stance”

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

tankie is a term imbeciles use to signal group membership to other imbeciles

xor,

Unnecessarily aggressive, but yes that is what characteristics are? It also has a meaning of what that group actually is

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

pretty funny that somebody running around calling people tankies would moan about people being unnecessarily aggressive

xor,

Are you mad about it because you identify as auth-right and don’t like the term tankie?

Or because you identify as a tankie and don’t like thinking about the fact it’s auth-right?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m not mad about anything dronie, stop projecting

xor,

Alrighty bud

SeducingCamel,

You sound so sophisticated throwing your political compass terms around

xor,

Thank you

Cowbee,

Not defending tankies, but do you think people on hexbear are paid to do so, or just have different political views? If your definition of propaganda is posting about your own specific political views, then pretty much everything is propaganda.

I could say that I think FOSS and decentralization are good principles, and that can be considered leftist propaganda.

lightnsfw, (edited )

propaganda /prŏp″ə-găn′də/

noun The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.

Cowbee,

Yep, so I’m right, hexbear is just as much propaganda as, say, News, Worldnews, or any other political instance/community.

Lemmy is very politically active, because to choose lemmy is to reject Reddit. People pick Lemmy over reddit for political reasons, such as preferring FOSS and decentralization, which tend to align far more with leftist beliefs.

Case closed.

NightAuthor,

Wait wait wait wait wait….

So is it propaganda or not? The second portion of that definition (or is it a whole second definition?) is quite a bit more vague.

lightnsfw,

It is a separate definition. It didn’t copy correctly. I fixed it.

Anyway I would say it constitutes propaganda based off the first definition.

Cowbee,

Just like all of Lemmy.

lightnsfw,

Yes, which is why we’re saying OPs meme is wrong.

Cowbee,

Yes, but not in the same sense of “government sponsored bot propaganda,” and in the same sense as News and Worldnews are propaganda.

Hexbear is made up of users that genuinely seem to believe in their ideologies, rather than being sponsored by some state like others have implied.

Karyoplasma, (edited )

You can be genuinely convinced that you are speaking the truth and still spew propaganda. It’s all about the manner in which you are presenting your political agenda.

Anecdotal elucidation of this:

Back in 2022, when the Russians invaded Ukraine, there was a neutral sub on reddit called UkraineWarVideoReport. It was a basically a CombatFootage sub to neutrally document the war without the goreporn focus of CombatFootage. Titles were something akin to “Russians take out target in X Region” or “Ukraine defends region Y using Weapon-System-gifted-by-country”. None of this is propaganda.

As the sub grew more and more popular, propaganda started and soon, the sub was just filled with “Ukraine heroes smash Russian Orcs again LOL” or “Russians demolish Ukronazi brigade for good”. Both are propaganda, using loaded words in order to push their view point. Once those propaganda posts got out of hands, I left the sub because no valuable information is to be gained there.

lightnsfw,

And that’s fine (more or less, I wish people would be more responsible about using sources that frame things objectively rather than ones that are biased towards their opinion) on political communities. It’s annoying on communities that aren’t made for politics.

Zekas,

Posts like this are it, even. Hurrdurr we’re so much better circlejerk is grossing me out.

NightAuthor,

Yeah… but having some pride (warranted or not) is good motivation to help build and maintain things.

_lilith, in I have several questions, actually
@_lilith@lemmy.world avatar
ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Pretty sure that’s just Sheeva from Mortal Kombat

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar
Balthazar,
@Balthazar@sopuli.xyz avatar

That is awful. Why is it my next centaur character idea?

Semi-Hemi-Demigod, in Calculus? Nah, bro, that's easy stuff
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

I discovered yesterday that they no longer sell 16 ounce containers of ricotta cheese. They're all now 15oz or 30oz. So if you have a recipe that needs four cups of cheese you have to either adjust the rest of the recipe down or deal with having a 1/4 cup less cheese than you really need.

Fuck capitalism.

bobs_monkey,

They’re doing the same thing with sauces and broths. Assholes.

humorlessrepost,

I’m an old and remember when smoked sausages were a pound. Then 14oz. Now 12oz.

GreenMario,

This is literally “buying gems” in free to play games never amounting to the cost of a typical item, slightly under or over.

EmoDuck,

Someone gave me a Hello Fresh gift code. It doesn’t fully cover the large meal plan so I have the choise of paying 5 bucks extra or taking the smaller deal and leaving money in the table

onion,

Ask them to refund the rest

Karyoplasma,

You’re not leaving money on the table if you take the smaller deal. If you buy the large meal plan, you were successfully manipulated into buying something you wouldn’t have considered otherwise.

idunnololz, (edited )
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

The good old hot dog dilemma.

sexy

1847953620,

sexy.

Decoy321,

You can always just have more or less cheese in the recipe. Or use the leftover cheese for something else later.

I’m not defending capitalism here, just defending cheese.

connaisseur,

less cheese leftover cheese

I see those words but I don‘t understand any of them

SnotFlickerman,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar
SpaceNoodle, (edited )

Make your own with whole milk and vinegar/lemon juice.

Edit: downvotes from scaredycats who think cheese grows on trees

Num10ck,

that makes buttermilk

Catoblepas,

That’s basically the process for making paneer, plus draining and pressing.

SpaceNoodle,

Queso fresco, too. It’s all the same cheese, just different levels of moisture!

ArmoredThirteen,

You can sorta make cheese with just acid but yeah rennet or a rennet replacement is the way to go

Cornelius_Wangenheim,

No, it makes acid-set cheese, of which ricotta is a type. Buttermilk is the liquid leftover after you make butter.

Gork,

You could buy 240 containers of ricotta cheese and 60 cups of cheese that way you’ll have the exact amount you need.

This is the Hebrew National 7 hot dog to 8 hot dog bun pack solution.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

That's a lot of lasagna...

Death_Equity,

No, that’s a prospective hustle that pays for your habit.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

I mean, the Garfield movie did just come out so there’s gonna be demand.

Plus it’s a good holiday meal you can keep in the freezer and reheat when you have company.

asteriskeverything,

Wouldn’t using that pre shredded stuff not be good for recipes though because of the added anti-clumpimg agents though?

poppy,

Ricotta isn’t a block cheese that you can buy pre-shredded like cheddar. It’s a pretty wet cheese and is usually sold in tubs in your basic markets, kind of like cottage cheese.

asteriskeverything,

Lmao oh yeah hahah now I remember it XD

Duranie,

I’ve made obscene amounts of home make macaroni and cheese over the last 20+ years and haven’t had a problem with it. I know it’s a funny place some people get passionate about, but the “anti-clumping agents” are typically some form of vegetable starch or fiber. If I’m making a cheese sauce I’m already using flour to help thicken and stabilize it anyway, so I don’t think the trace amounts really matter.

asteriskeverything,

I’ve made obscene amounts of frozen Mac and cheese and that’s it. Thank you!

Legge,

It matters more, in my opinion, for stuff like pizza because there isn’t already flour. The melting is noticeably different between shredded mozz and a block of low-moisture you cut or shredded yourself. But for cheese sauces and stuff I agree there isn’t really a difference

Death_Equity,

Fluid ounces or ounces?

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Fluid ounces

bobbytables, in it is german right?

The name of the fish “Stör” is the same as the word “disturb”. That alone offers a lot of potential for bad puns.

It is also weirdly common as a part of other words that don’t have anything to do with fish. And third, there are parts of words that sound similar to Stör.

Take all those ingredients and you can have a lot of fun with strange word combinations and only native speakers have a realistic chance of understanding.

agressivelyPassive,

Distörbing.

Gilles_D,

Störrible

troybot,

A Møøse once bit my sistör…

Mr_Dr_Oink,

The people in charge of hiring the people in charge of firing the people who wrote the subtitles, have been fired.

Amphobet, in Lemmy about to implode.
@Amphobet@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Communists shaking and crying right now.

Capitalism is a very common/popular tag for games on Steam. Of course, it’s a fantasy version of capitalism where you can actually get ahead.

DragonTypeWyvern, (edited )

The only good capitalism sims are GameDevTycoon, which makes you complicit in the enshittification while playing a plagiarized game, and Roller Coaster Tycoon, which accurately depicts the tycoon mindset.

Omega_Haxors,

RCT does a really good job emulating the massive desire to drown your guests that all tycoons eventually get.

Ulvain,

0.01$ super salty fries, 80% ice 1500% overpriced drinks FTW

InputZero,

In the first game I remember charging about $5.00 or something for the bathroom. Easiest fake money I’ve ever made to fuel the construction of my psychopathic murder rides.

agitatedpotato, (edited )

Being fair, capitalism works great in games. The system necessarily determines a winner, there are no externalities inside of a video game, and the people whose labor you’re profiting from are NPCs.

cecinestpasunbot,

This is true for board games as well. The classic example being Monopoly.

Kushia, (edited )
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Just now I realized I’m the NPC in some rich asshole capitalists life.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

BlanK0,

Wake up sheeple 🐑

reverendsteveii,

These games are tagged capitalism, but they use this wild version of capitalism where the person doing the work gets to keep the value their work creates. I think there’s a name for that…

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Usually in these games I tell workers to do the work, I’m just the guy giving orders.

Anamnesis,

IS A MAN NOT ENTITLED TO THE SWEAT OF HIS BROW?!?!

neptune, in Stayin' Alive

xkcd.com/988/

“Every year, American culture embarks on a massive project to carefully recreate the Christmases of baby boomer childhoods.”

superduperenigma,

It is bizarre that we made Christmas music as a genre and just decided that the genre needed zero additional songs for the rest of time with the exception of Mariah Carey.

palordrolap,

Here in Britain we have a whole slew (or sleigh) of others, but, sticking with the theme, very few of those are from the last 30 years.

I'm surprised at least a couple of them didn't catch on in the US. Maybe they're too whimsical or alien for the average US audience.

Similarly, Feliz Navidad is largely unknown over here. Then again, we don't have the large Hispanic cultural influence that might have allowed it gain a foothold.

Littleborat,

Feliz navidad is surprisingly not enraging for me. Several years in a row now.

Wham gives me a twitching left eyelid.

SubArcticTundra,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s quite a few from the 80s aren’t there?

palordrolap, (edited )

Two of the inescapable ones* are from the 70s and a couple of others besides, but yes, 1990 is a significant dropping-off point.

Curiously, one Top 40 chart for Christmas songs streamed in the UK, from December 2021 has Feliz Navidad in there at 35, which is kind of funny because that's above our own band The Darkness. Their '00s Christmas effort tried so hard to re-capture the spirit of the '70s and do well. To some extent it did but the magic wasn't quite there. It probably didn't help that it was based around a riff stolen wholesale from Queen's Brian May (Somebody to Love if memory serves.)

But importantly, that chart does list several others. It's a fairly safe bet that if you see a song, or band (or both) you've not heard of, it's probably one of our home grown ones that hasn't made it big where you are.

  • 9 and 12 on the linked chart.
cuzit,

Feliz Navidad is the only Christmas song that I don’t utterly despise. Perhaps because none of the places I worked at that played music when I was younger ever had it on the rotation, I can appreciate that it’s super catchy and fun.

All other Christmas music makes a holly jolly boy a sour Scrooge.

Dylan,

Sia made a christmas album a few years back and it’s actually very good.

dditty,

Billy Idol made a Christmas album in 2006 and it is actually very bad.

ZeroCool,

🎶 With a jolly yell, he cried “ho, ho, ho” 🎶

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

And god-damned Wham.

danielton,

Is there some law that every modern musician has to cover Wham’s song? Because it sure seems that way.

Kusimulkku,

Love me some Wham

TheDoozer,

There have been others that have popped up, we’ve just collectively decided to forget them the following year because they were so bad.

Please don’t make us think of them. Let them die, or I’ll curse you with my yearly Christmas Trolling song, Christmas In The Northwest.

EmpathicVagrant,

With wonderful Christmas hits like Dominic the Donkey, idk what you’ve forgotten, but I need your seasonal troll music collection for a cd.

Trippin,

My dude, every year micheal buble is all the christmas charts. And how about that kid that’s probably a adult by now.

Ddhuud,

Ah yes, the grown up child… How could anyone miss that reference.

UnfortunateDoorHinge,

Are you saying that industries such as the automotive industry exploit nameplates born in the 60s? I thought the Charger, Challenger, Bronco, Mustang, Blazer and Ford F truck were all original names and designs.

Donkter,

This is bizarre. And it’s weird that after the boomers die off a similar thing won’t happen for gen X since their childhood Christmases were defined by the same thing.

bobs_monkey,

Millennials as well, considering we’re mostly the kids of boomers

TheDoozer,

Mariah Carey is our Christmas nostalgia music.

LongbottomLeaf,

I thought it was avoiding family on the holidays to fight home invaders and meet the neighbors.

TheDoozer,

So I’m imagining a reboot, where adult Macauley Culkin is accidentally left at home by his wife and kids and figures out some robbers are coming. Rather than calling the police like a normal adult, he lays elaborate traps, many involving his current “toys” (power tools). It plays out the next 20 minutes as a Saw-like vignette, then the rest of the movie is a courtroom drama where he is being tried for the murder of the robbers. Does Castle Doctrine cover him? Can he consider it self defense if he never called police even with enough time to set up traps? Will he get treatment for his mental illness as his wife has been begging him to do (plot twist, she didn’t forget him, she left him at home and took the kids to her family’s for safety)?

Also the robbers are still Harry and Marv (just got out of prison) and they were old as shit and very much not a threat as robbers to a grown ass man.

ZeroCool,

Fuck boomer Christmas. Claymation sucks. Charlie Brown is boring. Frosty should’ve been left to melt. And ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’ bombed at the box office for a reason. Just because it was dirt-cheap for TV stations to air during the Holidays in the late '70s/'80s doesn’t make it good.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Would you say everyone who likes that stuff should be boiled in their own pudding and buried with a stake of holly through their heart?

MasterNerd,
@MasterNerd@lemm.ee avatar

Lmk how your inevitable life-changing journey with a magical Christmas creature goes

DragonTypeWyvern,

It’ll have a different vibe when the starving polar bears attack

beefcat,

I agree about Charlie Brown and the Rankin/Bass TV specials, but It’s a Wonderful Life is a great film that has stood the test of time.

galloog1,

It’s a Wonderful Life is my favorite movie…

SubArcticTundra, (edited )
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

What about Last Christmas? That’s from like the 80s
Also Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas Time

spudwart,
@spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

Funny thing is for me…

Christmas music is like 30% Traditional, 2% new picks and 58% snowy video game music… and 10% Phineas and Ferb.

My favorite Winter-y video game music has to be:

  • Winter Tundra - Spyro 2: Ripto’s Rage
  • Freezeezy Peak - Banjo Kazooie
  • Ice Cavern - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Kinda sounds like something from the old Rudolph special.)
  • Ice Cavern - Spyro the Dragon

And for P&H, We’ve got S’winter and I know it’s cheating but the Let It Snow cover isn’t all that bad either. And I really don’t hate Christmas.

PFShady,

You see valentines is torture and my birthday is a mess, New years a lot of noise and arbor days a pest

ezures,

Video game christmas song are bangers, don’t know why.

Killing floor 2 has a really good metal/synthetic cover for carol of the bells

Payday 2 had a joke xmass album,the whole thing is great but this one is my favorite one.

spicytuna62, (edited )
@spicytuna62@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget In a Snowbound Land from Donkey Kong Country 2

Arguably the best track in the game. They only used it a couple times, and it only shows up in some of the last levels.

JakoJakoJako13,
@JakoJakoJako13@lemmy.world avatar

The snow biome theme from Terraria is an absolute gem.

woshua,

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/1ee59785-3193-4f35-a4ea-14160e6de035.png

I’ve been wanting to remake this chart for a long time… So I made one based on the first 20 of Billboard’s “Holiday 100 most charted songs”

DarkMessiah, in Where old people go.

Dunno where I was expecting that to go, but it was not where it ended up going. It’s actually hilarious.

Grass,

I did a really stupid laugh at the punchline at like 1am, but thankfully nobody woke up from it.

Cysioland,
@Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I expected this to be some kind of an euthanasia ad

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

I thought they were going to put him in a retirement home but I guess the Senate is a retirement home

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug, (edited ) in Communist Filth/Capitalist Filth

Why is this shit always communist vs capitalist, like we’ve only got 2 answers avaliable. You fuckers never set foot in a communist country and worship this shit

Fucking communist countries have killed how many millions of their own citizens? Don’t really think showing a picture of some buildings is enough to prove that they actually solved any issues. They may have solved those issues for some who were lucky enough to get an apartment, but don’t be a hexbear and pretend they housed everyone.

And no, I don’t want a response with a link about hurr duer capitalism bad, yeah I know, but I live in capitalism so I already know that.

Socsa,

It’s even worse than that. Most Lemmy commies are aggressive sectarians who cling to a very particular form of the ideology, while rejecting all forms of moderate leftism and Marxist revisionism. It’s extremely obnoxious, and their bizarre, outdated philosophy is a primary reason why people are skeptical of leftist politics.

Katana314,

I’m still confused and alarmed that the only alternative brought up is communism, not socialism. So far as I know, the core difference is transfer of power - one is peaceful, one is violent.

So in communism, your home might be six feet underground because “It is necessary to achieve the revolution, comrade.” Absolutely zero chance of a leader that wants the best for their people, apparently.

intensely_human,

The problem is that a leader who wants the best for their people isn’t sufficient to actually achieve that. What you need is for everyone to be making decisions about what’s best.

huge_clock,

You’re also taking a snapshot of the most regulated industry in the US. Building high rises is illegal in huge swaths of urban areas. Before we say the free market isn’t providing an answer cab we actually try it? I’m talking removing exclusionary zoning, speeding up the permit process and reducing the power of local action committees, and reforming the broken heritage process that’s used by rich people to keep their areas from densifying.

Grayox, (edited )
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Real socialism leads to communism. I want to call what I am advocating for as cultural marxism, but unfortunately that term has antisemitic connotations, while also perfectly encapsulating the gradual shift in the publics perception of Marxist ideology I am advocating for with memes such as this. I am not advocating for a violent revolution, but I wont deny the fact that when the powers that be make a peaceful revolution impossible, a violent revolution is inevitable.

Cowbee,

That’s incorrect.

Socialism is Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. There sre many, many forms, such as Anarcho-Syndicalism, Marxism-Leninism, Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, Libertarian Socialism, Anarcho-Communism, Council Communism, Left Communism, and more.

Communism is a more specific form of Socialism, by which you have achieved a Stateless, Classless, moneyless society. Many Communist ideologies are transitional towards Communism, such as the USSR’s Marxism-Leninism or China’s Dengism and Maoism.

Whether by reform or Revolution, the form doesn’t change.

SaakoPaahtaa,

Which political ideology is Responsible for capitalizing random Words?

Zoboomafoo,
@Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world avatar

German

Cowbee,

My phone’s autocorrect, apparently.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Personally Star Trek is my favorite form of Communism.

Cowbee,

Pretty sure that’s everyone’s ideal, across all forms of leftism, except perhaps Le Guin’s Anarchist societies she writes about.

AngryCommieKender,

Holy shit. That makes so much sense as to why I hated those books as a kid. Thanks for that insight. I knew something wasn’t working properly in Earthsea.

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Wrong series though.

Not to shit on child you, but that kid has terrible taste

Kecessa,

Nationalise essential needs and create State corporations, let capitalism have fun with non essentials. If don’t care if private producers make wine or funky clothing or big houses, the government should make sure everyone has food to eat, basic clothes to wear and a place to live.

On that last part, buildings with 8 living units or more should be ran by a non profit State corporation, charge people based on the cost of maintenance and the salaries required, send a check if people were charged too much at the end of the year.

intensely_human,

But we need free markets to handle the essentials because free markets consistently provide while governments consistently fail.

We need the systems that work connected to the most critical needs.

Kecessa,

State corporations are private companies whose profit go to the government instead of an owner or investors. The place in North America that has the cheapest electricity is Quebec and that’s because it’s a State corporation producing it, it still makes billions in profit that is then reinvested by the government.

So no, free markets isn’t necessary. Heck, the free market is what makes it so the US government is the one that spends the most per capita for healthcare even if it only covers part of the population.

AngryCommieKender,

You left out, healthcare, education, higher education, and Internet access. While we are covering basic human rights, let’s make sure we cover all the basic human rights.

Kecessa, (edited )

Outside of internet access these things are already nationalised in first world countries (I know exactly what’s implied by what I’m saying). I didn’t feel the need to enumerate every single thing.

Unaware7013, (edited )

Fucking communist countries have killed how many millions of their own citizens?

Bruh, centuries of capitalist exploitation of its citizens and treating them like a disposable commodity would like to have a word on the whole 'citizens killed by their own country' topic.

How many thousands or millions of citizens die yearly because they can't afford to live in this fucked up system?

SaakoPaahtaa,

So whataboutism really is the only argument for communism lmao

Unaware7013,

"I'm presented with a single argument that refutes this claim, better setup a strawman that this is the only argument available"

Lmao, at least try to sound intelligent

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar
Furball,

Asks for link that doesn’t say “hurr durr capitalism bad

Gets a link from Marxists.org

SaakoPaahtaa,

The state of commies, laughable

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Lmfao not at all, the dude literally said whataboutisms are the only arguments for Communism, so i linked him a copy of Das Kapital. Unfortunately you clearly lack the reading comprehension to consume it.

Furball,

I made this comment without looking at the website but WHAT THE HELL IS THIS WEBSITE???

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

A phenomenal resource.

Socsa,

It actually is a decent resource as long as it is not your only context for history and political science.

SaakoPaahtaa,

It’s communist innovation (not innovative)(no incentive to update that UI from the 90s)(communists find lack of progress calming)

WhiteHawk,

None? People don’t starve to death in western countries. And where they do the issue is lack of infrastructure. A communist government couldn’t conjure the resources needed to build that out of thin air either.

purahna,
@purahna@lemmygrad.ml avatar

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/daf07969-fabf-4990-a940-6d57eef88a28.jpeg

saying that “people don’t starve to death in western countries” without understanding in the slightest the actual harms of food insecurity and how it leads to death is a very accurate representation of the scientific ignorance and sociopathic lack of empathy that capitalism supporters bring to the table in these kinds of discussions a hundred times out of a hundred

Unaware7013,

None? People don’t starve to death in western countries. And where they do the issue is lack of infrastructure.

"This thing doesn't happen, and when it does, it's not the fault of capitalism itself" is a monumentally stupid argument. Especially when talking about the homeless population, which absolutely does have people that starve.

A communist government couldn’t conjure the resources needed to build that out of thin air either.

And the capitalist economy chose not to build it because it wasn't profitable, or after it was built, it was too expensive to be used.

Smk,

Where is your great communist country ?? Oh wait, it’s not there. It doesn’t exist and it never will. Capitalism works. Not perfect but it works. Your idealized version of communism is great but so is my idealized version of capitalism where everyone has a shot at the American dream!

WhiteHawk,

I said it doesn’t happen in the west, not that it doesn’t happen anywhere. Please learn to read.

Stalins_Spoon,
@Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Have you ever been outside your basement?

Faresh,

They are on lemmy.world which AFAIK isn’t federated with lemmygrad, so I don’t think they can read you.

Stalins_Spoon,
@Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml avatar

echo chamber

bennieandthez, (edited )
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

spoilerno

Perfide,

Bullshit it doesn’t happen in the west. 12.8% of US households were considered food insecure in 2022, with 5.1% of that being considered to have VERY low food security(Source). Over 20,000 Americans died of malnutrition in 2022, more than double the number in 2018(Source).

There’s also nearly 30 vacant homes for every 1 homeless person in the US, so there’s plenty of room, too. Nobody needs a 2nd home when over half a million people don’t even have one.

intensely_human,

Show me one photograph of a person starving in the west.

Faresh, (edited )

In the west, the main cause of malnutrition isn’t a lack of calories, but a difficulty in access (from availability or price or other factors) to healthy foods with the required nutrition for a healthy life or from an excess of certain nutrients. This is often manifested as conditions such a obesity and type II diabetes. So malnutrition does impact people in the west.

WhiteHawk, (edited )

Maybe you should have actually read that article before linking it. It discusses in detail the reasons for malnutrition being an issue, and none of those reasons is being unable to afford food. The problems are typically due to age and diseases.

intensely_human,

I’ve been unable to afford food before, and I didn’t go hungry. People just gave me tons of free food.

bennieandthez, (edited )
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Not to mention that the people in the global south starve because their food production literally goes to the west. What a fucking moron.

TheOneAndOnly,

It’s simple… If you convince the communists that the capitalists are trying to destroy them, (and vice versa), they fight each other, distracting them from the real enemy: the 1% with enough money to directly influence the folk that make the rules that keep them in the 1% club. We’re fighting culture wars so we won’t fight class wars, my friend.

darq,
@darq@kbin.social avatar

... capitalism is the ideology that lets the 1% be the 1%.

This is like the one fight that isn't part of the culture war.

intensely_human,

No the 1% definitely exists in communism.

irmoz,

How can a stateless, classless, moneyless society have a 1%?

TheOneAndOnly,

The 1% exist in every form of government, my friend. Billionaire capitalists == Russian Oligarchs. The name changes based on the audience, but the idea is money influences politics. The folk with the most money to do so are the 1% who actually rule, not the interchangeable talking heads who take their money to live a comfortable life acting as the mouthpiece (or scapegoat) for that group.

Cowbee,

…do you think Russia is still Socialist? The Russian oligarchs are Billionaire Capitalists.

The USSR collapsed in the 90s, buddy.

cogman,

Is there even a non-capitalist government in existence? Even the communist nations generally have a currency and tiered income based on position.

intensely_human,

Tiered income does not mean capitalism. Capitalism is not at all defined by inequality. It is defined by free market activity.

Cowbee,

Couple things: tiered income would likely exist in early stages of Communism, and certainly in almost all forms of Socialism. Marx makes it exceptionally clear that both intense and skilled labor are represented as condensed unskilled labor.

Either way, there are examples of anti-capitalism. Chiapas and Rojava are more Libertarian Socialist. There’s also countries like Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos, who appear to be attempting to reject Capitalism still and still operating on some basis of Marxism-Leninism Socialism. China relies on Capitalism as their dominant mode of production, but claims to be Socialist by 2050, though that remains to be seen.

The nations you think of as “Communist” are typically Communist in ideology, but are building towards it through Socialism. Just as Feudalism gave way to Capitalism, so to do Marxists believe Capitalism is a necessary stage before Socialism, which is a necessary stage before Communism.

TheOneAndOnly,

Exactly! This is exactly what I’m saying. The 1% is still the 1% calling the shots… No matter where they are or what you want to call the type of government they influence.

Cowbee,

Yes, so you’re proving the Communists and Socialists in this thread correct. Across all Capitalist systems, the bourgeoisie are still the ones calling the shots. Therefore, a better system would be a more decentralized, worker owned system, perhaps along the lines of Socialism or Anarchism, to reach an eventual state of Communism in the far future.

What exactly do you take issue with Socialism, Communism, and Anarchism here? You appear to be advocating for a more top-down system like Capitalism, than a bottom-up system. Your argument appears to uphold your criticism.

TheOneAndOnly,

Oh! I see. No…I’m only saying the minute you start talking any “-isms”, you trigger feelings of tribalism that exist in all of humanity. We want to be on the “good team”. No one wants to be on the bad team, and that feeling is what the Uber wealthy uses to keep us busy. Debating all of the “-isms” is the problem. Let’s figure out how to take care of the masses so basic human needs are met, allowing humanity to prosper, and figure out what the hell to call it later. Otherwise, we just quibble over semantics and nothing gets done.

Cowbee,

I mean absolutely no offense by this, but that’s a load of Utopian bullshit.

People use “-isms” not to divide into tribalism, but to describe methods and structures. If you can identify problems with modern, Capitalist society, calling it “Capitalism” is not meant to divide anyone. Similarly, the various leftist strategies, such as Marxism-Leninism, Anarcho-Communism, Council Communism, Market Socialism, Anarcho-Syndiclaism, and so forth, are all different proposed ways of tackling the same problems.

How do you propose people move towards a solution if nobody knows what the fuck everyone else is doing?

TheOneAndOnly,

First…I love this discussion. Thank you for it. It’s what made me love Reddit in the early years, and why I’m so enamored with Lemmy. Secondly…You make an excellent point; one I can’t refute. I don’t know how we move towards a solution without having a way to succinctly describe an ideologic structure. I just hate how partisan the world becomes, and how much the media plays off of it to help the fuckers in charge sell ads, or maintain power, wherever you live and whatever ism you subscribe to. Maybe all I’m doing is just missing the point and muddying the waters…

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

You should really read a copy of the Communist Manifesto, i dont think you are muddying the waters, you are merely trying to look through the clouds of sentiment that have been stirred up in front of you your whole life.

Cowbee,

You’re starting to get it. You should read Manufacturing Consent, by Noam Chomsky. He describes the very mechanisms by which the bourgeoisie use the media to control the people into doing their bidding.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

The Russian Oligarchs you speak of are a result of the fall of Communism in Russia.

Furball,

Do you think the Russian oligarchs, who by the way pen a FAR larger portion of the Russian economy than their American counterparts, appeared from nowhere after the collapse of the Soviet Union? The Soviets had an extremely wealthy and influential elite

Grayox, (edited )
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

The 1% are the Capitalist and they are trying to defeat the Communists and surpress/continue to exploit the Prolitariat with every tool at their vast disposal. The folks in the comments defending Capitalism are all members of the Prolitariat brainwashed into thinking they are down on their luck Millionaires.

TheOneAndOnly,

Look… It’s all tribalism, in the end. We can argue semantics, but doing so it’s exactly their point. It keeps us busy with pedantry, while they continue to enjoy their wealth from on high. I am not educated enough to debate the pros and cons of each group, but I am intelligent enough to smell an attempt to distract me from the point. To know there’s some sleight of hand fuckery happening right in front of my face.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes you are intelligent, and so close to getting it, the cultural warfare bullshit is all a distraction to keep you from noticing the class warfare being waged against the working class by the 1% who continues to rob value from us to horde weath far beyond our comprehension. I cant recommend Marx’s writings enough, there is so much slight of hand fuxkery going on and it SHOULD rightfully piss you off!

TheOneAndOnly,

Help me understand how I’m close in what I’m saying, my friend. It feels like we’re saying exactly the same thing.

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

But he has to be right, it’s not about agreeing he has to be RIGHT and you have to be WRONG

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Bruh if I HAD to be right I would still be a devoted Libertarian simping for the free market. I love being proven wrong, its how people and ergo society are supposed to evolve and grow.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

EXACTLY!!!

irmoz,

If you want to fight a class war, you’re a communist

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

Not even slightly

irmoz,

What ideology is it, again, that champions working class people to take their power back? It’s certainly not right wing.

If you think the world is fucked because of the greed of the 1%, and you want those people to pay for their crimes through class war, you’re communist.

intensely_human,

What ideology is it, again, that champions working class people to take their power back?

That sounds like a free market to me. When people have the power to determine their own fate, and how they engage with others for economic coordination.

When everyone has the ability to choose how they engage, that’s called a free market. The economic system based on free markets is called capitalism.

irmoz, (edited )

That sounds like a free market to me

A free market means zero regulation, so I hope you like drinking poison because “ain’t no gubmint telling me how to bottle my soda!”

When people have the power to determine their own fate, and how they engage with others for economic coordination.

This requires kicking capital out of the economy. That would be defeating capitalism.

When everyone has the ability to choose how they engage, that’s called a free market

No, it’s called voluntary participation. Free markets inevitably trend toward monopolies and concentrations of power, because the supply side is not held to any standard.

The economic system based on free markets is called capitalism.

And look where it’s gotten us - with a 1% bleeding the rest dry.

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

Take their power back and give it to the ruling class government you say?

irmoz, (edited )

Lol no, I do not say. No ruling class. No government. That’s communism.

It’s bonkers to me that you talk a big talk about class and class conflict, yet are opposed to left wing politics. Where do you think those terms come from?

What’s even more bonkers is that you seem to think communism has never said anything about the 1%, when that is the biggest problem communists won’t shut up about!

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

Now you’re literally saying that I’m saying or thinking something

Huge issues with that kind of projection

irmoz,

I don’t think you know what projection is. The comment I replied to literally said that the 1% and class are the problem, and that communists are distracted. Couldn’t be more off base.

intensely_human,

Man you communists need to figure out how to cope with the existence of written records

Here’s you:

The comment I replied to literally said that the 1% and class are the problem, and that communists are distracted

Actually it said this:

Take their power back and give it to the ruling class government you say?

irmoz, (edited )

This is the comment I replied to:

It’s simple… If you convince the communists that the capitalists are trying to destroy them, (and vice versa), they fight each other, distracting them from the real enemy: the 1% with enough money to directly influence the folk that make the rules that keep them in the 1% club. We’re fighting culture wars so we won’t fight class wars, my friend.

reddthat.com/comment/4678920

OsrsNeedsF2P, (edited )

Remind me, how many capitalist countries have killed millions of their own citizens?

Germany, pre-communist China, Japan, Armenia, pre-USSR Russia, Pakistan…

Edit: if apparently this isn’t the point, why so passionately call out the communist killcount?

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

See, this is what the fuck I’m talking about.

You’re so dense. I’m not advocating or simping got capitalism here. That’s what I’m trying to communicate, but you’re too fucking dense to even see that when I lay it out.

Both are bad. Just because I say these turds who worship an imaginary and propagandized version of communism are dorks doesn’t mean I’m arguing in favor of capitalism. For fucks sake learn to read

TheOneAndOnly,

You are 100% correct in your assertion, my anti Mario sex toy friend, and I love your passion. I worry that the minute you call someone’s intelligence into question, they’ll take a defensive posture and stop thinking critically. Critical thinking is what we need more than anything else in this world right now. That’s what’s in short supply. It’s why the news is constantly being flooded with new things, and why there are so few media outlets that don’t have a slant. If I can get you outraged at team blue, or team red, or team US, or team THEM, your anger overrides your reason and you stop thinking about who benefits from the distraction provided by us arguing over whatever this new bullshit thing is we’re arguing over. Hopefully that last statement makes sense.

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Not to mention all the fascist militaries supported by the US that regularly engaged on mass murders of “communists”. Indonesia, brazil, chile, south korea, south vietnam, etc… Ultimately they dont care, they just want to discredit communism by whatever means possible.

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s almost like there’s a middle ground that’s the best of both worlds.

EchoCT, (edited )

Except there isn’t. we tried that then the capitalists bought the weaker willed politicians and used them to undermine any regulation. Capitalism is a cancer and must be excised as such.

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t disagree that Capitalism doesn’t work in its purest form, but we’ve hardly had a success with communism in its purest form either.

OurToothbrush,

We literally have. Look at the massive literacy, life expectancy, and political rights increases under literally every single communist government compared to what came before them instead of comparing them to some utopian ideal that capitalism compares even less favorably to.

intensely_human,

life expectancy, and political rights increases under literally every single communist government

Are you not aware of the massive incarceration, labor camps, starvation, conscription, etc?

Have you read about the Battle of Stalingrad? Do you seriously not know the stories of how life expectancy and political rights were totally and utterly squashed many times by communist governments?

OurToothbrush, (edited )

Are you not aware of the massive incarceration, labor camps, starvation, conscription, etc?

Are you aware the gulags never reached the same scale as the current US prison system? Are you aware that under the Soviets and under the CPC previously periodic famines under the previous governments stopped after initial industrialization?

I will leave you with this quote, ironically about a liberal revolution against monarchists

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The enlightened centrists never fail to amuse us. 😂

Immersive_Matthew,

Right. Communism vs capitalism is just more centralization. There are plenty of decentralized options to balance things as too much centralization, no matter the political system leads to corruption.

intensely_human,

What do you figure is centralized about capitalism?

Immersive_Matthew,

All the increasingly large corporations that are constantly buying their competition and making it hard for anyone else to compete.

intensely_human,

That is the death of capitalism. That’s capitalism (based on free markets) devolving into oligopoly (based on regulatory capture and tightly-restricted markets).

Capitalism doesn’t last any better than any other institution. It degrades into something else. The thing it degrades into is a centrally-controlled market, similar to what you find in socialism.

mycorrhiza, (edited )

fucking communist countries have killed how many millions of their own citizens

Most of these articles cite the Black Book of Communism, which goes to absurd lengths to inflate the death toll of Communism, for example counting all the millions of nazi and soviet soldiers killed on the eastern front as victims of communism, counting the entire death toll of the Vietnam war, and even counting declining birth rates as deaths due to communism.

Noam Chomsky used the same methodology to argue that, according to Black Book logic, capitalism in India alone, from 1947–1979, could be blamed for more deaths than communism worldwide from 1917–1979.

web.archive.org/web/20160921084037/…/chomsky.htm

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

This is not “one or the another” situation, communism is the next qualitative stage in development of society. It solves the primary contradiction that we experience in capitalism, that is socialized production being privatized by individuals, aka capitalists.

You can’t just declare communism by signing a document, because it is a process of development in which small quantitative changes in production (socialism) lead to a qualitative change (communism), thus to achieve the communism stage you have to achieve a certain level of development.

This is why China is considered a communist country by marxists-leninist even though qualitatively it is a capitalist country. They are actively working to develop communism, this can be clearly seen throughout their rhetoric (i.e. “The Governance of China”) and their material results.

HelixDab2,

The problem with China being that it’s authoritarian, not that it’s capitalist or communist. There’s no choice other than the Communist Party, so when the party is wildly corrupt, you have no recourse at all short of revolution. And we all know what China does to counter-revolutionaries.

cecinestpasunbot,

People don’t have much recourse in the US either. The two party system just obfuscates that reality. I’d actually argue that because revolution is the only alternative to the communist party in China, the government has to be more responsive to citizen demands than the US.

OurToothbrush,

If the party was corrupt they wouldn’t be executing the rich and powerful whenever they did a financial crime. Come on.

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Funnily enough, this has been succesfully framed as a bad thing by media.

intensely_human,

Can you link to some of these trials where they tried these rich people for the financial crimes?

purahna,
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bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

And that is a problem to whom? Every single state is authoritarian, the question is whose interests are they protecting.

China is clearly a dictatorship of the proletariat and they use authority to protect the interests of the proletariat. Yes, sometimes their policy is wrong and does harm but ultimately they work to improve their policies, governing is a learning experience after all.

TheSanSabaSongbird,

It’s a problem because people don’t feel like stakeholders when they don’t have a say and can’t participate in their system of governance. This in turn means that they aren’t incentivized to willingly participate and have to be forced or indoctrinated, both of which are violations of human rights.

OurToothbrush,

Do you think people there don’t participate in elections? The party has literally 100 million members, people in China are politically involved.

intensely_human,

When was their last general election?

OurToothbrush,

Literally 2023

HelixDab2,

And how many parties were they allowed to make selections from? Were there any candidates that weren’t pre-approved by the leading party?

purahna, (edited )
@purahna@lemmygrad.ml avatar

One party where a basic platform is defined and differences are expressed vibrantly on top of that is better than two parties that brand themselves as different but only offer a couple of aesthetic differences and concessions to keep people mad at the opposing party and not the underlying structure

HelixDab2,

…You’re really saying that one party where you have no functional choice is better than a multi-party system, just because you think that Republicans and Dems are too alike, while ignoriing the plethora of other parties that not only actually exist in the US, but hold office at local and state level?

Shouldn’t expect any more from a tankie though.

purahna,
@purahna@lemmygrad.ml avatar

friend. You’re so worried about a one party system because you’re thinking of American parties. You know how Mike Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders are both ran under the same party? In a proper single party state there’s more range than that.

OurToothbrush, (edited )

One party with multiple functional approaches that get whittled down through democratic consensus is more democratic than being told to pick between two relatively similar options. There is more of a gap between liberals and Maoists in the CPC, both of which hold power in office, than there are between the democrats and republicans.

bennieandthez,
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People that want to participate in politics can join the CPC, in fact it has more than 100m official members. Also inside the CPC there are several factions with differents views, so no its not a monolithic entity.

intensely_human,

It is one party. It is the only party. It is monolithic.

purahna,
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What does “authoritarian” mean? Shouldn’t we reserve that word for the country with the largest police force, biggest military, and the highest prison population per capita in the world?

LicenseToChill,

And yet it’s the Chinese that flock to the US and not the other way rounf

HelixDab2,

I wonder, do you think that the people that are being “re-educated” are counted as prison population…?

I suppose that when you simply kill or disappear people that are political dissenters that you don’t have to worry about that prison population

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ICastFist,
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You forgot the endless popups in the 2000s, which led to every browser integrating a popup blocker since then (and which often fail to stop actual malicious popups, no less)

Zerush,
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Yes, in these years are a lot of pop ups, pop unders among other crap in some pages, but normally in most pages there was, apart of an ocassinal Banner not much else to justify an adblocker. But nowadays, between ads, clickbaits, cookie consent, adblocker detections and ant-adblocker, paywalls and other shit like these, you need a lot of extensions and scripts if you don’t want that the page fills your browser and HD with all kind of PUPs and unwanted scripts, apart of an ad/trackerblocker. It’s a cats and mouse game between companies which want to track and profile you with all kind of dirty tricks, and the user and devs continuos searching contrameasures to show them the middle finger.

yukichigai,
@yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Almost, but needs a few tweaks:

  • Content should be border-to-border in the 2000 panel.
  • Needs to be 3 lines of content in 2010 and only two lines of content in 2018.
  • 2018 needs a slide-over autoplay video on the bottom-left of the content space.
MalachaiConstant,

2018 also needs one of those chatbot popovers in the bottom right of the page

ohlaph,

Basically. However, in early 2000, it had popups all over.

unionagainstdhmo,
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

How about those mobile ones where they gradually move in from the sides to form a border around the content until you tell them to fuck off

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Only in apps from Google Play. Use InVizible Pro from F-Droid

MrSilkworm,
@MrSilkworm@lemmy.world avatar

reminds me of this scene from Idiocracy

reminds me of this scene from Idiocracy

IHaveTwoCows,

yoink

frazw, in 🇪🇺 How the EU Feels about

1: “… and then we’ll be able to stop terrorist attacks. Simple”.

2: “ok but if you put a back door into encryption, won’t others be able to find it?"

1: “no we’ll be the only ones with the key. Great huh?“

2: “and you don’t think the key will be leaked or be hacked?”

1: “I said we’ll be the only ones with the key.”

2: “so what’s your plan to make sure the key stays secure”

1: “…”

2: “what’s your contingency plan if the key *is * hacked or leaked?”

1:”…"

1: "I SAID WE’LL BE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE KEY. "

2: “…”

1: “don’t you want to protect our children ??”

tweeks,

And even that’s only in the optimistic situation where you can always fully trust “1”, also in the future.

Amends1782,

I never seen it summarized so fucking well. And meanwhile, it happens CONSTANTLY, but they pretend it’s impossible to happen and never has actually happened

AmIConcious,

With quantum computing around the corner that key is useless. So not only is my data then shared with the EU, china and US will also have a little look

lud, (edited )

That’s very speculative though. We don’t know yet the effect how large scale quantum computing will have on encryption.

Fun fact: Quantum computers already exist and you can play around with one for free*: www.ibm.com/quantum

*Max 10 min of system usage per month.

Amends1782,

Damn that’s cool. Every once in a while IBM does cool shit

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  • arymandias,

    But one side lives in suburbs and the other in an open-air prison, without medical supplies, under permanent drone surveillance, oh and every 5 years all the buildings get flattened.

    YeetPics,
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    I don’t know what’s so hard about admitting that both sides are indeed at fault here.

    Well that perspective disagrees with both flavors of propaganda. It’s fucking true but nobody with a horse in the race will agree with you ever.

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  • prettybunnys,

    It’s understandable too, how do you convince someone to stop fighting back so their enemy will stop punching them?

    Like, remember when your parents told you that the best way to stop arguing with someone was to just stop arguing?

    This is the same situation but instead of just arguing they’re literally committing war crimes and terrorist acts against each other.

    Hard to say who started it in the moment when both are acting, and when everyone is acting in it frankly the who started it becomes irrelevant when there is only one good solution, for everyone to stop.

    dingus,
    @dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

    …and you’re treated as culturally insensitive if you point out that it’s partially motivated because of two bullshit ass religions, and the reason they won’t stop is because they’ve each just got to prove their God has the bigger dick, even though they’re technically the same God.

    Fried_out_Kombi, (edited )
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    how do you convince someone to stop fighting back so their enemy will stop punching them?

    Heck, part of it is you have to convince people to stop treating others as a monolith. Even the language of “their enemy will stop punching them” implies the entire populace of Israel is one monolith united in oppressing the Palestinians and that the entire population of Palestine is one monolith united in actively fighting Israel.

    People need to be able to take a step back and recognize that their enemies are not the common folk, the innocent civilians. Most people just want to live their lives. Only a small minority is ever actually actively engaged in the fighting, or the political decisions to continue fighting.

    Israelis (at least those that support Netanyahu and the apartheid state) need to collectively realize that having an apartheid state is not “fighting back”; it’s just punishing 99% innocents. Likewise, Hamas needs to realize that mass murdering civilians is not “fighting back”; it’s just punishing 99% innocents. True fighting back requires actually finding the people responsible for harming you, not ascribing blame to rando civilians just because they happen to have been born on the same side of the border as your true enemies.

    NoIWontPickaName,

    When two children are arguing an adult steps in and separates them each into their own timeout corner.

    That's what needs to be done, but good fucking luck with that.

    cyclohexane,

    Hamas does not really have a propaganda machine. Israel does.

    cyclohexane,

    Because they aren’t.

    Israel is genociding Palestinians, and Hamas is resisting them.

    If innocents are caught in the crossfire of Hamas resisting, then Israel is to blame, not Hamas. Israel targets civilians, Hamas was targeting the military.

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  • cyclohexane,

    You mean the dance rave held at the gates of a concentration camp and active war zone? The one with many Israeli soldiers positioned and decided to skirmish the Palestinian resistance, and put the ravers in crossfire?

    Arab Israeli population went from 1.5M to 2M since 2006

    That’s because of their high birth rate. 45% of Palestinians are under the age of 15. The genocide numbers are very well documented, but I admire your bravery with genocide denial despite mountains of evidence.

    SparkyLight,

    slight difference here, while Hama’s goal is singular, to kill as many civilians as possible, israels goal is to abolish the hostile militia on it’s border, the civilians killed are a casualty of war, and not the target, once said militia uses civilians as human shields and commits all of these atrocities, you just can’t submit to their shields…

    Deceptichum,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    The thing is you also have to admit the power imbalance at play here.

    Both sides suck, but one side has the power to stop making the situation worse and stop abusing millions as they colonise their land.

    This can never end or start to heal until the fucked up treatment of Palestinians stops. All they are doing is breeding tomorrow’s fighters.

    TragicNotCute,
    @TragicNotCute@lemmy.world avatar

    Yup. The meme and simple “everyone is bad” explanation doesn’t touch on the fact that this is an asymmetrical war.

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  • atomkarinca,

    how are they similar atrocities?

    did hamas lock 2.5 million people in the worlds most dense open air prison?

    did hamas systematically crushed their buildings and not let concrete inside?

    did hamas shoot little kids just for throwing rocks?

    did hamas systematically murdered press, medics on the field?

    did hamas control israelis food intake?

    did hamas very deliberately snipe the knees of people peacefully protesting?

    did hamas cut electricity, water, food?

    did hamas bombed places that palestinian prisoners stayed?

    did hamas tell people to leave the city and bomb the only way out?

    what did hamas do? the only thing left to do when you do all of those things to a people.

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  • atomkarinca,

    so tell me then, how would you behave if you were a palestinian? just accept death?

    McJonalds,

    asymmetric warfare. i would figure it out. sorry about your palestinians but im different. /s

    redballooon, (edited )

    Are you saying the only options are handing out collective punishment or accepting death?

    First, that’s doubtable. But if so, I’d indeed accept death. I’m not killing innocents.

    I’d rather die than become a living monster.

    atomkarinca,

    no im not saying that, youre saying that. you are equating what israel has done for 75 years to mere reaction to that. you may not believe that hamas is not killing civilians on purpose and i cannot change that, but that does not change reality.

    we have seen just war crimes over war crimes from israel just for the past few days. this is on top of decades of apartheid.

    i could accept death for myself, too. but not for my daughter.

    redballooon,

    I was equating killing innocents with killing innocents, nothing else.

    You are justifying mass punishment with …something about your daughter, and with that exposing exactly the attitude that keeps the region in a never ending cycle of death.

    atomkarinca,

    “2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;” www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184195/

    war crimes:

    • Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
    • Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
    • Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
    • The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
    • Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
    • Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions; www.un.org/en/…/war-crimes.shtml

    these are the ones that were committed in just few days.

    redballooon,

    I understand. you list here injustice that when experienced are beyond words.

    Now tell me: in what cases does is the punishment of innocents justified?

    atomkarinca,

    your assumption is wrong.

    israel displaced millions of palestinians and replaced them with settlers. the blood is on israel government not hamas. they could easily not replace millions of people and we would not be here today.

    redballooon,

    Now you named one factor that explains this mess, and no objection here. But I’m still missing the answer how killing innocents can be justified.

    It seems to me that you think that every person that lives in Israel is responsible for everything that the Israeli government did over the years.

    How is that any different from this weeks retaliation that this Israel government hands out over the massacres of citizens by hamas from last weekend?

    atomkarinca,

    i have been saying the same thing from the beginning, but i think your perspective of the situation is holding you back from understanding what im saying.

    you can put innocent people anywhere in the world and they dont stop being innocent. but that does not change the fact that they are in someone elses home illegally.

    if they did not want to be in someone elses home then it is the fault of the government, if they did want to be in someome elses home then it is their fault.

    redballooon, (edited )

    Again, what’s the justification for killing innocents? Because they walk on land that another claims theirs? That sort of thinking always and everywhere only led to war and war crimes.

    As for the Israelis, for those who live there, it’s their home, for many going back three generations. In many cases those ancestors took it it legally under ottoman law. I find that 24-undisputed-hour-rule questionable myself, but your story doesn’t hold up legally in many cases, nor historical. Everyone’s ancestors lived someplace. That doesn’t automatically make that place theirs.

    Pointing to an old map and claiming the territory that another currently occupies never leads to peace.

    atomkarinca,

    ok then look at the demographic between 1917~1948, you will see how the land was not bought but stolen, not from the ottomans but the british.

    when you illegally occupy a land long enough, it does not make the occupation go away. its still an occupied territory.

    redballooon,

    Oh really? Then we’d have war everywhere. There is no place on earth that was not at some point taken by force by this or that group of people.

    redballooon, (edited )

    Ok, so before 1918, the Ottomans had that piece of land for about 400 years. I guess that makes a turkish claim is older, and therefore stronger, by your logic, am I right?

    Before that there was the Mamluks for 200 years, but that doesn’t seem an ethnicity that’s notable today, so let’s forget that.

    Before that, the cruzaders had that land for 200 years, I suppose that means Europe also has an older claim.

    Before that, Arabs for 400 years, so I see we’re back to their claim.

    But hold on, before that, it was Roman territory for a whopping 700 years. That’s notable. Italia has a really good claim, I’d say.

    But even before, there were the Jews there, and for close to a thousand years. So, following your logic the state Israel has all right to be there.

    Before that there also lived people, of course, but it’s hard to pinpoint those to ethnicity. Egypt was there shortly. That’s an older claim even, but not very long.

    Hmm. Are now all those people justified in killing innocents on some grounds that hasn’t been “theirs” for generations?

    atomkarinca,

    no, the ottomans were the occupiers, so thats just not my logic.

    and the same goes for the rest.

    this discussion turned into a loop, so i guess good day to you.

    redballooon,

    Ok, I guess then there is no logic to understand. I’ll stop trying. Have a good day.

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  • atomkarinca,

    you would have the ability? how?

    dingus,
    @dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

    Look man, if your options are literally only “do nothing and accept your fate” or “kill a bunch of innocent people who never did anything to you and actually may have supported you” then maybe you should just give up and accept your fate, because we’re literally seeing how many more innocents are dying because of this. They didn’t put a dent in Israel’s defenses. They gave Israel more excuses to the international community to murder even more innocents. Great plan, Hamas. I’m glad it worked out so swimmingly and actually changed things instead of just continuing the same bullshit cycle. /s

    If you can point to me out how this is going to result in anything other than more death and destruction, feel free to clue me in. Because fuck nothing has changed. They didn’t take out the people responsible. They didn’t change the power balance, and now even more Palestinians are paying the price because Israel is a fucked up aggressor.

    Acting like a bad plan that resulted in more innocents deaths is some great blow against the establishment is dumb as fuck.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    Exactly. It’s not a choice between “murder innocent civilians” and “do nothing”; it’s a choice between “murder innocent civilians” and “target legitimate targets such as the military apparatus that actually murders Palestinians regularly or the right-wing political apparatus that pursues a policy of military hyper-aggressiom, apartheid, and settler colonialism”.

    If they chose to do the latter, I doubt nearly as many people would take issue with them, they’d receive vastly more sympathy, and they could finally end the systemic murder and oppression of Palestinians faster.

    LoveSausage,
    @LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Ok then let’s send better weapons to Hamas. I am sure they will be happy to precise target and hit all military installations. It’s kind of sad to see privileged people pointing out how someone else is supposed to fight the boot on their throat.

    Fried_out_Kombi, (edited )
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    I think an apt comparison is Russia and Ukraine right now. I fully support Ukraine in this war, and part of that is not just because they’re the underdog who got unjustifiably invaded, but because they take care to avoid targetting innocent civilians. For example, when they strike Sevastopol, they strike military facilities, never residential areas. Whereas Russia intentionally terrorizes the Ukrainian people, kidnaps Ukrainian children, targets residential areas, and commits so frickin many war crimes.

    If the attack by Hamas were against legitimate military targets, I don’t think there would be many people out here questioning it. But they didn’t. They are a fundamentalist religious group that wishes to commit genocide, and they intentionally targeted and mass-murdered civilians. Beyond that, by attacking a music festival, they targeted people who were statistically more likely to be sympathetic to their cause. Clearly their goal is not simply self defense, but genocide.

    Also a good comparison is the PLO in West Bank, as they aren’t Hamas and had no hand in this attack. In fact, they and Hamas hate each other. And as far as I’m aware, PLO just wants the two-state solution and haven’t officially sanctioned terrorist attacks in ages. Unfortunately, Hamas has likely managed to discredit the PLO cause, despite them not having any guilt in this.

    pingveno,

    And as far as I’m aware, PLO just wants the two-state solution and haven’t officially sanctioned terrorist attacks in ages.

    That’s… complicated. There is a fund that the PA pays the PLO to administer called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund. It pays out stipends to the family of Palestinians who have been killed, imprisoned, or hurt while attacking Israel. This has been a point of contention for a long time, but it’s apparently very popular among Palestinians so politicians are loath to touch it.

    Deceptichum,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    Yes both sides are targeting innocent civilians, and this is not cool.

    But only one side is colonising a people’s land, imprisoning them in ghettos, and destroying their future.

    Hence why criticism of Israel should always be greater

    devz0r,

    Hamas knows this. And they knew that Israel would respond with disproportionate force. They only care about destroying Israel and the Jews, per their charter, and they aren’t afraid to sacrifice as many Palestinian lives as it takes.

    hemmes,
    @hemmes@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe Russia got Iran to get Hamas to attack Israel knowing that Israel would go full scale, knowing that the USA is all in on Israeli support, thus reducing their aid to Ukraine?

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